Bad Guy I have a problems with Justin

[ozz465]

Damn , this isnt the 1st time i see justin self destruct when confronted online sadly, btw man lumping 95% of reptile people as scumbags,cheats and such is rather foolish on your part .

In the past i actually gave you the benefit of the doubt when charles and greg bad talked you since i was just getting into hogs and i was a fan of your animals and i have never personally seen anything first hand bad on your part , but this thread takes the cake in bs . I really hope people new to hogs or looking to buy them read your ramblings here and put some serious thought b4 going this route.


A simple refund would have fixed all this ages ago .

 

[zn394]

Why is it that the, umm, searching for words to not get hit with, folks-with-less-than-stellar-reputations almost ALWAYS do this?

"I'm only going to say this once, because I don't participate in such trivial pursuits...." then they post like 15 more times, usually about stuff that is irrelevant to the thread.

Well, if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullspit. Smoke and mirrors, Justin. Pay the dude back already.

Not only this, but the bad guys can never seem to answer a direct question.
They beat around the bush and do everything they can to avoid the questions being asked of them. I think once a bad guy actually responded by posting requested pictures, other than that - zilch!

On the other hand, the subject of bad guy threads that have integrity have answered questions directly and been discovered to be reputable. Either it was a misunderstanding or the OP turned out to be the bad guy.

Now Justin, the reasons you have given for not giving Jerry his refund are bs - everyone knows it including you. So why won't you send him his money, really? Are you man enough to say it's because you spent it?

Jeff Culp

 

[keithalw]

I am in total shock actually. I have gotten a few hogs from a friend and been wanting to get albinos for the longest time and everytime I asked people where to go I hear Justin cause he is one of the best.,... He might have great looking animals on his site but Justin rather you care or not the whole situation and attitude from you makes me actually not want to purchase from you. Honestly from your attitude you really prolly dont care which is sad.

Also when Jerry was coming to BOI about you and people started chime in it was kind of messed up you decided to call others out on stuff not pertained to this but other things... Not good bussiness bro...

 

[Gregg Madden]

Looks like someone might be trying to come up with jerrys money. Does anyone want to buy a nice pseudo collection of hognoses?

http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=97&de=837309

Hey, he might not have to put his house up on milk crates after all...

 

[AncientDNA]

Justin, I gave you the benefit of the doubt for a long time. We had some decent conversations over the years. I'm disappointed that you seem to be exactly what you always said you weren't. You're in the wrong here and you know it man. And what is it with you calling USF&W and Animal Control and the police on people you have professional disagreements with? It seems to be a vindictive action, some sort of revenge rather that true concern for the animals. You really should make an effort to pay your customer back, or send him snakes, or something, anything. Using that lame excuse about the invoice is crap, a stall tactic; you know it and I know it. You screwed up dude; we all do...none of us are perfect or even close, but your "I'm always being screwed over by everybody bit is beyond old at this point. Man up.

My thoughts exactly...
Take some responsibility for your actions.

 

[Gregg Madden]

Hey, not only did Justin screw over his customer but now he is screwing everyone selling hogs with his fire sale... Way to go Justin...

 

[charleshanklin]

Justin

You can post all the gossip, rumors and hearsay you want about me, the truth is it just shows your lack of character and integrity. It is also libel and can be hurtful to my business to spread these lies as you are. You are familiar with lawsuit threats, would you like one for what you've said?


I could post all the hearsay about you I've heard but it wouldn't be right. I don't know if it's true, I dont care either. I could also post about what started our tiff, you trying to blackball me our of a hognose project. You did that because I'm friends with other hognose breeders.


You chose to attack me not the other way around. You also chose to attack gregg madden. You made a huge mistake as neither of us will back or bow down to your bullying tactics. What did I ever do to you for you to start such a stupid tiff over? I admit I am a smartass. When someone starts in on me it comes out. Really bad and not always in the most tasteful manner. For that I do apologize and that doesn't make any of the things you've done to me or said right. The thing about being a smartass that you don't understand is you really have to be smart first. That's why it's called be a smartass. I'm sorry if you dont understand this because you are the exact polar opposite.

Why do you feel the need to bring other people into your mess that you created? That won't solve the issues at hand ir the ones you've made up in your head.

You do understand that all I have I do is contact your police department and make a report about your abuse of their system and lies. They might want some proof of your said allegations which you don't have because they are all lies.

Why would you feel I was going to harm you? I've never threatened you? I don't do that. I'm a bear ole Teddy bear that loves to cuddle. Shave my back am I'm a hairless Teddy bear. See I'm not scared to make s joke about myself.

Anything and everything you say about everyone else will not change the fact that you owe Jerry $13,500 and have failed to pay him or send his product.


You said I call you names and trash you on every occasion possible. If that was true don't you think I would of done that in this thread.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=141477&highlight=Justin+Mitcham


See one of the major differences between you and I is I tell the truth. I won't lie, scam people out of their money and cause a bunch of senseless drama.


After what nonsense you have posted about me in this thread , at the bare minimum you owe me a public apology. You owe Jerry $13.500 and a public apology. You owe anyone that has read this, anyone that has ever stuck up for or bought from you a public apology. A true stand up man would do that and make it sincere.

 

[Southern Wolf]

Only reply I will give...

jerry paid in advance for animals..

came time to ship

Jerry asked me to change the invoice amount to avoid paying a 20% VAT tax

he explained he had no way of paying such a large amount.

I said no way

Jerry said send his money back

I said no

He refused to accept this.

.....

Lets see if I have this right. He paid in advance for the animals, ya'll couldn't agree on the invoice/shipping.... he requested his money back and you said NO.

So you just took it upon yourself to keeping the mans money? If this is the case then you are nothing more than a crook.

 

[scaledverts]

Lets see if I have this right. He paid in advance for the animals, ya'll couldn't agree on the invoice/shipping.... he requested his money back and you said NO.

So you just took it upon yourself to keeping the mans money? If this is the case then you are nothing more than a crook.

 

[Skiploder]

Lets see if I have this right. He paid in advance for the animals, ya'll couldn't agree on the invoice/shipping.... he requested his money back and you said NO.

So you just took it upon yourself to keeping the mans money? If this is the case then you are nothing more than a crook.

Finally, after four pages of migraine-inducing B.S., someone finally lays it out bare.

 

[DeeRa]

Sooo the way I see it is...Justin's business practice is.."You give me a loan (money paid for snakes) and I keep the money and the snakes....and I will just pay you back whenever I can...no interest or maybe I won't pay you at all!" I just know I will not be giving him any of my money for a loan thanks to this thread!!! (;

 

[Southern Wolf]

Why would you feel I was going to harm you? I've never threatened you? I don't do that. I'm a bear ole Teddy bear that loves to cuddle. Shave my back am I'm a hairless Teddy bear. See I'm not scared to make s joke about myself.

I dont think I needed that visual

 

[Southern Wolf]

Finally, after four pages of migraine-inducing B.S., someone finally lays it out bare.

I just call it like I see it.

 

[andrew9843]

jerry's replies are in bold. this email is extremely contradictory to a lot of the things justin has said in this thread about the transaction.

From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE:
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 04:43:56 +0000

yes been a week and you still haven't answered my question I sent you on the 1st?


so if I dont change the invoice you want your money back?

type answer here please_
I didn't need you to change the invoice , if you didn't want ship me my original whole order , please send back my money ! I all accept , but I respectfully request that you send back my money within next week or ship my original order to me within 2 weeks.

I dont ship??? ..if I dont change the invoice ..correct..???

type answer here please_
sorry~I didn't understand your this question , it doesn't matter ! you don't need change invoice , just ship me my original whole order or send back my money

I do not know how much money you have for taxes... so what figure would you like me to change it to??

type answer here please_
I need to pay 24% of sales price for tax , but you don't need worry , I will take care it o. you just make sure to ship my original whole order !


Justin , I still hope everything will be well , respectfully request that you ship me my original whole order or send back my money ASAP

 

[Southern Wolf]

Andrew whats with the "type answer here please_"?

 

[ratkingrodents]

If you click on Justin's profile and look at all of his posts half of them are bashing and bad mouthing other people. I don't know ANYONE that's not an a-hole, that has beef with that many people LOL.

What a train wreck. Its a good thing I don't even like hognoses LOL.

 

[Gregg Madden]

So it seems Justin was in fact willing to change the invoice... Wonder why he has not replied here lately...

 

[andrew9843]

Andrew whats with the "type answer here please_"?

i assume justin typed that so that jerry can respond in that space.

 

[JordanAng420]

Andrew whats with the "type answer here please_"?

I thought it maybe had to do with the fact that Jerry is so (understandably) frusterated at this point, he'd rather Justin answer him question-by-question, in an attempt to actually get a direct answer for each question...since Justin has basically been playing dodgeball this entire time.

I just recently bought my first hognose, and I was planning on another one sometime in the future. I am glad I read this thread.

 

[Gregg Madden]

Now he is attempting to crash his own market and screw everyone else in the business by selling morphs at half the market value price in some cases... Yet another show of the mans true character...