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I need help with my leo gecko!

homegrownherps said:
It's a shame that the people who really need assistance, will suffer for the actions of some of the members on this site.
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Oh for goodness sakes, Jim..that was completely uncalled for, and doesn't belong here. No one is suffering over anything.

Then again, either does this....I apologize.

Best of luck with your Jorge, Aaron. I agree that a vet visit for him is definitely in order.
 
It's a shame that the people who really need assistance, will suffer for the actions of some of the members on this site.
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What are you talking about, I only posted because I wanted to help?
 
KelliH said:
What are you talking about, I only posted because I wanted to help?
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I dont think he was talking about you..


Someone said they were specifically a desert species. But they do require humidity as you and Jim said

Reading back, i find both You and Jims information useful, equally.
You do things one way, and are sucessful, and Jim does it another, also successfully.

Maybe the other poster can clarify what they meant in their post, but i only saw the suggestion that they are a desert species, which would lead me to believe "sand and little to no humidity" But thats just my take on it.
 
Thanks Alicia. I was responding to the other poster that had stated that maybe Aaron having a humid hide could be causing the leo to not eat, which is not true, and I wanted to clarify the "desert species" thing because it really does confuse newbies sometimes. I'm sorry if I offended anybody. Jim, I tried to pm you back but got a message stating you were not accepting pm's. Again, my apologies.
 
Amspoet67 said:
Aaron,


In regards to the humidity, the only reason I suggested this may be a cause was because I do not believe the pet store would have had the animal set up this way and he may not be used to it.
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I believe I did answer the Humidity question.

Anna
 
Anna-

Ok, again, my apologies. I just noticed that you and Jim are both from Home Grown Herps, I did not know that when I posted.

I'm bowing out of this discussion now. Best of luck Aaron and keep us posted on Jorge.
 
Cat_72 said:
Oh for goodness sakes, Jim..that was completely uncalled for, and doesn't belong here. No one is suffering over anything.

Then again, either does this....I apologize.

Best of luck with your Jorge, Aaron. I agree that a vet visit for him is definitely in order.
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Maybe uncalled for, I agree....but so very true.
One good "uncalled" for post deserves another.

I am certainly not suffering.

And you know what I find real unfortunate as well...
That the OP questions went unanswered except for Anna's posts, until now !

Apologize???? what for, you could have simply NOT posted it, but ...theres no drama in that !

I also think that when a person/breeder wants to offer help to someone, other people shouldn't come here and say that their info is wrong.
Because one person methods doesn't always work well for others.
If it works for me , who are you to tell me its wrong? And why is it so wrong that I pass on what works for me?
But theres no reason why others methods cant be posted, several options is always better than one.

We rarely use humid hide box's for our Leo's and our Fat Tails, we've been successfully breeding them for close to 10 years now. We have no health issues what so ever from not using the humid hide box. we only use it when breeding (for them to lay their eggs) and when we see them getting ready to shed.
 
KelliH said:
Anna-

Ok, again, my apologies. I just noticed that you and Jim are both from Home Grown Herps, I did not know that when I posted.

I'm bowing out of this discussion now. Best of luck Aaron and keep us posted on Jorge.
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How does that change what was said?
 
This is so frustrating and really upsetting me. Jim, I was trying to correct what I thought was not the best advice. I thought I did so in a professional, polite manner. When you stepped into the thread, I initially did not realize that you and Anna are both from Home Grown Herps. That is why I was confused when you made your statement about me causing people on this website to suffer. Now I understand why you jumped in.

I am not apologizing for what I said, I am apologizing if what I said offended you in any way. I was only trying to help the guy. It seems that I cannot even do that right anymore. I'm sorry everybody.
 
KelliH said:
Thanks Alicia. I was responding to the other poster that had stated that maybe Aaron having a humid hide could be causing the leo to not eat, which is not true, and I wanted to clarify the "desert species" thing because it really does confuse newbies sometimes. I'm sorry if I offended anybody. Jim, I tried to pm you back but got a message stating you were not accepting pm's. Again, my apologies.
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what I find to be true for a lot of reptiles, is that a change of environment (surroundings and enclosure) can, and has effected feeding schedules.
When I take snakes to shows to sell , I always tell people BEFORE feeding them , to let them adjust to their new enclosure & surroundings.
So placing a humid hide in there was something that that particular gecko would have to adjust to, as I would bet money it was a wildcaught import , that has no clue as to what a humid hide box is....let alone everything else that is going on around it.
 
KelliH said:
This is so frustrating and really upsetting me. Jim, I was trying to correct what I thought was not the best advice. I thought I did so in a professional, polite manner. When you stepped into the thread, I initially did not realize that you and Anna are both from Home Grown Herps. That is why I was confused when you made your statement about me causing people on this website to suffer. Now I understand why you jumped in.

I am not apologizing for what I said, I am apologizing if what I said offended you in any way. I was only trying to help the guy. It seems that I cannot even do that right anymore. I'm sorry everybody.
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I "jumped in" because of post #15

Not the best advice ?????
why not????? its worked for us for close to 10 years....how can that possibly be "not the best advice" ????
How is it professional and polite when you say what we do is wrong and to do it your way ?

Anna was simply trying to give basic simple suggestions to a beginner, to help out with his gecko......and for days no one offered any assistance except Anna, UNTIL you dis agreed with the advice that was offered. Now its become what FAUNA is so famous for these days .....DRAMA.

And my comment about people suffering was not because of Anna , the suffering I was referring to was for the new people looking for help. Instead of getting the help they need ..they get DRAMA
 
Jim, I don't frequent the Leo forums, so did not see it before today....nor am I a Leo expert, so I didn't feel qualified to offer any advice other than what was given. I did agree that in his condition, a vet visit would be tops on my list.

Shall we steer this thread away from the drama and back to doing what we all should be doing, helping this man out with his Leo? :)
 
homegrownherps said:
what I find to be true for a lot of reptiles, is that a change of environment (surroundings and enclosure) can, and has effected feeding schedules.
When I take snakes to shows to sell , I always tell people BEFORE feeding them , to let them adjust to their new enclosure & surroundings.
So placing a humid hide in there was something that that particular gecko would have to adjust to, as I would bet money it was a wildcaught import , that has no clue as to what a humid hide box is....let alone everything else that is going on around it.
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How much money would you be willing to wager on that?
 
Cat_72 said:
Jim, I don't frequent the Leo forums, so did not see it before today....nor am I a Leo expert, so I didn't feel qualified to offer any advice other than what was given. I did agree that in his condition, a vet visit would be tops on my list.

Shall we steer this thread away from the drama and back to doing what we all should be doing, helping this man out with his Leo? :)
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I would not consider myself an "expert", but I don't appreciate people coming here and telling me my advice is bad or wrong.

I was willing to "steer away" and get it back on track ...but people like Josh Wilson cant let that happen ...just look at all the help / advice he posted in his post above....that comment was really important .... :shrug01:
 
homegrownherps said:
So tell me... exactly what part of your post helps out with the OP's problem.
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O.K. you are right, my post did not help the OP, who hasn't posted in this thread since post 14. I thought Kelli did give some good advise, and I agree with what she said in posts 15 and 16. It is hard to say a whole lot more. I would also wonder if the gecko in question had a proper thermal gradient. If the bulbs being used are to powerful or to close to the enclosure maybe your enclosure is to warm, leaving the gecko no opportunity to thermoregulate, or find a cool retreat, and stressing the animal. I would also suggest a fecal exam, and separating the new leo.
Also, I would have sent a PM, in regards to my last post, but you have that option removed from your profile.
 
joshwilson said:
O.K. you are right, my post did not help the OP, who hasn't posted in this thread since post 14. I thought Kelli did give some good advise, and I agree with what she said in posts 15 and 16. It is hard to say a whole lot more. I would also wonder if the gecko in question had a proper thermal gradient. If the bulbs being used are to powerful or to close to the enclosure maybe your enclosure is to warm, leaving the gecko no opportunity to thermoregulate, or find a cool retreat, and stressing the animal. I would also suggest a fecal exam, and separating the new leo.
Also, I would have sent a PM, in regards to my last post, but you have that option removed from your profile.
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I didn't say anything about the advice given by Kelli, and the OP should try everything he possible can to get his gecko healthy again. The more suggestions thebetter.

My problem is.. what makes her expert enough to say MY methods are wrong ?

I am not going to say your methods, or her methods are wrong because that's not the way I keep my animals.

I try to stress to everyone that asks for my help....
WHAT WORKS FOR ONE PERSON, DOESN'T MEAN IT WORKS FOR EVERYONE.

So I will let this thread get back on track ... again.
 
I agree, there are many different methods in keeping reptiles. I use the methods that work best for me, and you use the methods that work best for you. I would not say your method is wrong, they obviously work for you. I have seen photos of your animal, and they look great.
And, I agree, the issue here is not about the difference in how we keep our animals, but finding an answer to what will be the best way for the OP to keep their animals. Aaron, I would again suggest that you get a good temperature reading on both sides of your enclosure, and make sure that Jorge has the opportunity to choose between a warmer and cooler area. I would also try to get a fecal exam, so if he does have a parasite problem, you can get that treated quickly.
 
ok i am going to avoid all drama here and hope to help the OP. although i am new to this board, i am known on another for my advice, so i will try to help here.

aaron, sometimes the change in environment can cause issues with eating. you said you purchased the gecko from Petco, and then it was at your parent's house for a few days. that is a lot of trauma for a little guy like that, so it may just still be adjusting. now, because he is so little, not eating for that period of time could be a problem. i would keep trying to feed him the mealworms and crickets, but a vet visit for at least a fecal exam is in order. ask the vet for an acid fast fecal stain, as it can pick up more issues than just a regular fecal. you may also want to ask for some carnivorous critical care and ask the proper way to force feed if he does not eat soon.
i would suggest keeping the humid hide, and checking your temps. the container you have him in is rather small, and i am having difficulty figuring out how you are getting any sort of a temp gradient, especially using heat lamps. i myself use lamps and no uths with great success, but had a hard enough time getting the correct gradient in a 28qt sterilite container. i use 25 watt bulbs and get the right temps, a 75 watt on that small container is either only giving him one solid temp all the way across, or maybe the thermometer you are using is not reading correctly? what type of thermometer are you using? those sticky ones have been known to be off by 20 degrees or more, so you might want to invest in a good digital with a probe or a temp gun if you have not already.
i also agree that getting him a "buddy" was not a good idea, especially since he is not doing well, and not in that small container. being so little, any size difference in him and his cagemate can cause lots of stress, as the bigger one may very well being showing some dominant behavior, causing the little guy not to eat. separate them as soon as you can. also, the other risk is with them being so young, they are difficult if not impossible to sex, and you could end up with 2 males, which can be deadly to one or both. i would suggest maybe getting at least 10 gallon cages for each (i prefer 20 longs or 28qt sterilites myself). you should also get the new one fecal tested since he has the potential to be exposed to anything the little one may have.
keep us updated on his progress, as he looks to be a beautiful little one with lots of potential as he grows!
 
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