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Bad Guy Ian Curtis - Stolen African House Snakes

The soon to be president offered to mediate, nothing more. Playing politics and evading reality huh? What makes you so damn high and mighty? You're nothing more than a mouth Lucille, trying to start trouble. I've been honest and straightforward in all I've said. I don't play politics, I try to help out the club that I enjoy being a member of. What do you do other than mouth off on internet forums?
 
Justin, I'm by far not the only one questioning the role of your organization. Nice try to take the focus off of that, it won't work.
 
jaygib9 said:
I get that he's a member, and by affiliation, some people are wanting to claim the KHS is taking his side. That's not the case, the KHS is trying to stay out of it, hence deletions of posts, etc...
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But Justin, he's not just a member, he's an officer. Which means that in fact it DOES reflect poorly on the KHS.

I mean, people on here that have NO affiliation with the KHS is saying the same thing!

If you REALLY believe that Ian has an attorney and this will all come out, then you surely have blinders on.

I truly believe Ian does NOT have an attorney. If he does, ask him the name of his attorney. I can't since someone has apparently made it so that I can't post/comment on the KHS Facebook page. He should readily supply the name of his attorney.

If this is a club/society you wish to keep as your favorite, then I would think that you would be all over Ian's butt to resolve this.

Ask yourself, why has Ian supposedly retained an attorney? Usually only the guilty "lawyer up" as they say.

This is the downfall of the KHS, I truly believe. And I think the membership should be duly informed of the actions of one of their officers. I'll be there at the January meeting to do this.
 
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Honestly, I'm the webmaster for the KHS, it'd take a vote to suspend his position, and I don't hold the reins of the club. That'd be a Presidential decision.
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Reading this, do you REALLY think Will would suspend him? :rofl:

Will is the KING of the "good ole boys" club

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I'm sorry that some of you are holding this against the KHS, I truly am. Nice way to throw more accusations Lucille, go back to trolling on ESPN, they like trolls there. Ian told me he has a lawyer, I have no reason to doubt him. It's between the two of them, just because I consider Ian a friend don't mean it's my place to do anything other than try to protect the KHS. They can resolve it themselves without my involvement other than to back the KHS. The meetings are open to the public, you're more than welcome to attend.
 
As I said on page 8 "On that picture of Wills response, which was November 20th, which was when Sarah sent a very long letter to Ian, I see no specific names or situations being mentioned. It appears to be a response to a generic comment. I can't speak for Will or anyone else, but this could easily be taken out of context and assigned to this specific situation without the people responding even knowing the full story at the time of their response."
 
Justin,
I truly wish the KHS wasn't involved. We don't need this BS and instead, we need to unite against something like the HSUS. Instead, we have an OFFICER of the KHS being accused of taking snakes, not returning snakes, charging for keeping them, etc.

Ideally a person being accused would come here and say, no, that's not correct, here are the facts.
OR, say, yeah, I was wrong, sorry. Here are the snakes..or worst case...sorry, the snakes died.

That is what defines a person. Their moral code would tell them that they need to make things right, even if they were wrong. To "lawyer up" is nothing more than saying "hey, I can't explain what happened so I'm going to pay this person to speak for me". The lawyer is PAID to represent Ian in the best light, not mediate.

The BEST way for the KHS to protect itself is to SUSPEND Ian until this matter is resolved! It's that simple! And if Will, Phil, Kathy, and now Chris can't see that...then geez...I don't know what to tell you.
 
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Take things how you will, I'm standing by the KHS. I'm guessing the law will sort this out, then we'll see where to go from there.
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If you ever find out the lawyer's name, let me know. I want to be able to use them too one day if needed. I mean...heck they must really be desperate for business.

And people wonder why our legal system is screwed up. :eek:
 
I think this is a lose-lose for KHS.

First, there's nothing to really be 'mediated'. What are they going to do...share custody? There is no 'middle ground' or 'median'.

1. Lawyer sides with Ian. Possession is 9/10 of the law, after all. Sarah doesn't have enough proof. Ian wins, people still think he's shady and KHS, too, by extension.

2. Lawyer sides with Sarah. Ian loses, KHS loses.

What am I missing?
 
jaygib9 said:
As I said on page 8 "On that picture of Wills response, which was November 20th, which was when Sarah sent a very long letter to Ian, I see no specific names or situations being mentioned. It appears to be a response to a generic comment. I can't speak for Will or anyone else, but this could easily be taken out of context and assigned to this specific situation without the people responding even knowing the full story at the time of their response."
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Justin..seriously? You can actually type that out without feeling some pangs of "oh no, i hope they buy this"?

Here, let me help. This was on page one of this thread. Please look at the dates:

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If you TRULY think that what he said was taken out of context, then you sir are one gullible person....just saying.
 
laterob said:
I think this is a lose-lose for KHS.

First, there's nothing to really be 'mediated'. What are they going to do...share custody? There is no 'middle ground' or 'median'.

1. Lawyer sides with Ian. Possession is 9/10 of the law, after all. Sarah doesn't have enough proof. Ian wins, people still think he's shady and KHS, too, by extension.

2. Lawyer sides with Sarah. Ian loses, KHS loses.

What am I missing?
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Where did Sarah agree to binding arbitration, could you please post that, I didn't see it but it has been a long thread.?
 
jaygib9 said:
I'm sorry that some of you are holding this against the KHS, I truly am. Nice way to throw more accusations Lucille, go back to trolling on ESPN, they like trolls there. Ian told me he has a lawyer, I have no reason to doubt him. It's between the two of them, just because I consider Ian a friend don't mean it's my place to do anything other than try to protect the KHS. They can resolve it themselves without my involvement other than to back the KHS. The meetings are open to the public, you're more than welcome to attend.
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That's not the case, the KHS is trying to stay out of it, hence deletions of posts, etc... I'm not the one deleting posts, but I concur that it's in the best interest of the club to allow them to resolve it their own way without our intervention. I am an officer of the KHS, but as I've said, I wasn't there, I didn't witness it, it's not my place to say either way. People are judging based on opinions, instead of fact, nobody knows what happened other than Sarah and Ian. Regardless of who pays the lawyer, if it's brought to court, they make a solemn vow to speak the truth. I'm just watching to see how it works out. Because he called on friends that are in the KHS makes it a KHS matter? Unless the KHS specifically states that it/we are involved, then it's an outside matter.
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The posts are being selectively deleted while Ian's remains.

Deleting all opposing, probing type posts and banning the posters but leaving Ian's post and two other officers that are all friends as the final statement until Friday shows no bias or involvement? If anything it shows unity.

Chris stated he would leave the posts up until Friday
It is also the KHS stance that we do not get involved in any pending legal action. Therefore these posts will be removed on Friday. This will allow the involved parties a chance to read this message. Thank you for your cooperation. - Chris Barmore
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I guess he meant selectively to convey a single message. It happens to be the same message as only one of the parties involved.

This is a private matter, not related to the KHS and it's being handled through legal channels now
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That was pretty much stated by Chris as well.

and I hope that with a lawyer mediating, they can get their personal issue resolved.
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Seems to me that taking a non-involvement stance would not be listening to one party and parroting what they state back. That is exactly what is being done.

He's handling it via legal means,
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Sarah hasn't mentioned legal action. Just that she wants her snakes back. The officers of the organization including Ian are the ones mentioning legal action. You guys are uniformly speaking together.

Deleting all the in-between posts and leaving Ian's, yours and Chris's posts speaks to that as well.
 

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"Justin..seriously? You can actually type that out without feeling some pangs of "oh no, i hope they buy this"?"
I saw the dates on those, but that don't mean that Ian told Will all about it. As I said, I can't speak for anyone else, but don't assume that he rushed to tell everybody exactly what was going on, you've seen his response time. Fair enough? I'm not gullible, I take people at their word unless they give me reason not to. I'm trusting. I'm going to bed, I wish you all well, and I do sincerely hope they figure it out. However it works out, I'm sure sides will be taken and decisions will be made after that.
 
As I stated, I'm not the one deleting any posts. Whether it's Chris, or Will, or someone else doing so, that's their decision. I haven't deleted anything. I'm not parroting anything, I just said what Ian told me, that there's a lawyer involved. So from that point forward, it's irrelevant how any of us feel about it or think who's right or wrong. The law will handle it. I'm done putting anything on here, the KHS meetings are open to the public. I'm here to protect the KHS. I really don't see how the KHS can make everybody happy, unless we vote as a club to suspend or remove a member who's done a lot for the club, for something that happened outside the club. One person don't make or break a club, there are members and officers that attend and further the agenda of reptile/amphibian enthusiasts, breeders, and the industry as a whole. Good night all.
 
You would think that the KHS would be trying to bring MORE people in, rather than alienating them for the sake of the former officers' groupies.....the attendance at KHS meetings has been abysmal compared to what it once was.....I know that for a fact. They are on their last legs and if this is how they run their organization, by condoning and protecting theives then I cannot forsee them lasting much longer in their present state.

And if thats the case, then I say good riddance.
 
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Where did Sarah agree to binding arbitration, could you please post that, I didn't see it but it has been a long thread.?
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All I have seen is that Sarah did NOT want to be bound, she refused to sign off and be bound. So where did all this talk of the 'law sorting it out' come from if there was no valid agreement from Sarah?
 

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Also.....one has to wonder if Ian's attorney is the same one being mentioned by Chris. If that is the case, then Chris' statement of the attorney having never met Ian or hearing of him would be of course false.
 
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