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IBD Allen belcher/Big daddys wholesale

I just realized you people would fuss if you were hung with a new rope. No matter what Allen does it won't be enough. I am done explaining. I screwed up by trying to get vengenace threw this thread. Each post I type makes me realize that much more. My words were wrong and all of it is unproven. I went at this in mind to bash Allen . That was my sole intent. I see now you guys have that covered. I have apologized and I will do it again. Sorry for my screw ups. My post have caused lots of questions. If the moderators of this site want me off. Then just send me and email letting me know the deed is done. I made myself a promise. That if I ever got the chance to bash him . I would. I did that. I thought it would make me feel better. I was wrong. Now I am prepared to leave the site. Just send me the info stating that I am kicked off. Sorry for the mess.
 
I'm wondering. How would someone prove the collection IS clear of IBD?
I'd think that if a seller could do this, itw ould be a GREAT selling point, to be able to show.. I dunno, a vet certificate or something saying "Free of IBD".
I know there is blood testing, but the vet can't rule out IBD unless they use brain tissue... according to the vets at UF. So I wanted to know if there's another test, or some other way.
I'd love to be able to state that with proof for my meager collection.
Theresa Baker
ps UF = University of Florida in Gainesville Florida
 
One thought is have someone at random pull any 5 or so snakes from his collection and he have them tested and post the results. I understand he had some test run but on a choice few. I know he probably has a lot of snakes in his collection but a random sample might work. Just a thought
 
harveysherps said:
I just realized you people would fuss if you were hung with a new rope. No matter what Allen does it won't be enough. I am done explaining. I screwed up by trying to get vengenace threw this thread. Each post I type makes me realize that much more. My words were wrong and all of it is unproven. I went at this in mind to bash Allen . That was my sole intent. I see now you guys have that covered. I have apologized and I will do it again. Sorry for my screw ups. My post have caused lots of questions. If the moderators of this site want me off. Then just send me and email letting me know the deed is done. I made myself a promise. That if I ever got the chance to bash him . I would. I did that. I thought it would make me feel better. I was wrong. Now I am prepared to leave the site. Just send me the info stating that I am kicked off. Sorry for the mess.
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No one is going to force you to leave. You may force yourself into that and its quite a shame because you have a product to sell and a mother load of snake keepers here as potential customers. You might not have to worry about doing shows in your area if you simply stick to the right threads in the right forums on this site.

If you're prepared to leave then just leave. If you prefer to be bounced out then take a look at my warning points and do that twice over and you'll surely succeed.

If you really want to stick it up Allen's ass, contribute to fauna in a way that Allen cannot and has not in all the time of his membership here. I'm sure there are a few inspiring folks who'd like to get into breeding rats for snake food and maybe even as a side business. Your experience in that would help them greatly. I'm sure you have a lot to share so just find the right forum and contribute to it in positive and more satisfying way. Just look for one thread thats ever been started by Allen or added to in an effort to help another except himself on this site. You wont find one.

Good luck to you and I do admire your courage to open up and talk about your past the way you did. But for the record, do you swear you weren't doing dope when you contributed to this thread? Typing under the influence of narcotics? Ahhhh just kidding. ;)
 
Wolfy-hound said:
I'm wondering. How would someone prove the collection IS clear of IBD?
I'd think that if a seller could do this, itw ould be a GREAT selling point, to be able to show.. I dunno, a vet certificate or something saying "Free of IBD".
I know there is blood testing, but the vet can't rule out IBD unless they use brain tissue... according to the vets at UF. So I wanted to know if there's another test, or some other way.
I'd love to be able to state that with proof for my meager collection.
Theresa Baker
ps UF = University of Florida in Gainesville Florida
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Liver Biopsys ( live and after death ) are another of the most accurate ways to tell if an animal has IBD. and are the most commonly done tests as well. ( to my knowledge, i have never heard of the brain tissue test, until now, so that is interesting to know, but it would probably only be done during post mortem tests)
 
critical bill said:
No one is going to force you to leave. You may force yourself into that and its quite a shame because you have a product to sell and a mother load of snake keepers here as potential customers. You might not have to worry about doing shows in your area if you simply stick to the right threads in the right forums on this site.

If you're prepared to leave then just leave. If you prefer to be bounced out then take a look at my warning points and do that twice over and you'll surely succeed.

If you really want to stick it up Allen's ass, contribute to fauna in a way that Allen cannot and has not in all the time of his membership here. I'm sure there are a few inspiring folks who'd like to get into breeding rats for snake food and maybe even as a side business. Your experience in that would help them greatly. I'm sure you have a lot to share so just find the right forum and contribute to it in positive and more satisfying way. Just look for one thread thats ever been started by Allen or added to in an effort to help another except himself on this site. You wont find one.

Good luck to you and I do admire your courage to open up and talk about your past the way you did. But for the record, do you swear you weren't doing dope when you contributed to this thread? Typing under the influence of narcotics? Ahhhh just kidding. ;)
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Thanks I just went about things the wrong way. I have been mad for over a year. It was wrong of me. I really sound like I'm trying to save a dying business. I am going to stick to what I do best that's raising rats. I'm a little too good . I am over run at the moment. I just froze 500 and gave away 250 this week. I apologize for the screw up. I'll try to lay off the narcotics next time I post.It must be turning me into horses butt .LOL I am done with bashing people. From now on informative posts are all I am posting. If I can't add anything good . I won't post. No more bashing with out solid proof.
 
FIRST AND FINAL POST

harveysherps said:
Look here my point. I will admit my example is nothing to brag about. I am ashamed of what I did now. But the day the Police knocked on my door. The first thing out of his mouth was. " You know people around the community are saying you are selling." . (We all know what it was . So I won't mention it again.) You know what I told him.
" That's Just hear say." It was just hearsay but I brought them to my house. So when enough people talk. It means something. Also just because it's hearsay. Doesn't mean it ain't true. I used the hearsay as a defense too.Some cases it does. I really hope this time it is untrue. Just to set the record straight . I just said Currie. I didn't put a first name to it. Someone else brought Phil's name into this. So whoever posted his name can deal with that one.
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I do not support Fauna for exactly the reason I am posting this . . . that people who undoubtedly "have no life", are allowed to continually bash innocent bystanders and tarnish their names. The only way I knew that my name had been mentioned was an email I received from someone who had purchased a snake from me and thought that I should be informed of the implication that Wes made with my name and IBD.
To set the record straight, I have never sold Allen Belcher any boas, and besides the two boas I have listed on KS at the moment (both received in a trade deal) I can only think of one high end boa that I have traded in the past couple of years at the B'ham show. And that was for a pair of adult blood pythons. Anyone that knows me knows that I sell mainly retics and other pythons and occasionally an anaconda or two. While I only do this as a hobby and not as my livelyhood as Allen does, I resent the implication made recently on Fauna. I have a list of people who have purchased reptiles from me over the past couple of years, many of whom I stay in contact with who can vouch for my creditablility.
CREDITABILITY? It's hard for me to believe that some of you actually take the time to respond to a degenerate's false accusations.
(Note: I did not use Wes's name or did I call him a degenerate. I learned that tactic from Wes. Quote: "Just to set the record straight. I just said Currie. I didn't put a first name with it. Someone else brought Phil's name into this. So whoever posted his name can deal with that one."
Get real. Anytime you use a person's name who is a friend of Allen's, attends the Birmingham show and who posts Phil Currie all over KS classifieds, it would take a complete moron to not know who you are talking about.
And about the Birmingham Alabama show, let me say I've known Terry for many years. He runs a reputable show and he is a quality individual. Statements like "All of you at Birmingham that have it are doing ya'lls best to hide it." For those of your who are reading this, please don't stereotype those of us (ya'lls) from Alabama because of the actions of a few.
And let me say this about Allen Belcher (Big Daddy's Wholesale). I personally have purchased snakes from him, I have visited his facility and I consider him a friend. Why don't some of you take him up on his invitation to visit his facility and draw your own conclusions rather than wasting your time posting on Fauna?

PHIL CURRIE
Birmingham, Alabama
 
I am Sorry Phil . I messed up with that one. I don't blame you for being mad. I deserve
worse. I was mad and intent on getting some answers. I made a huge mistake by doing that. I am sorry I hope you can forgive me. All of it is my fault . I should not have posted that. Please forgive me. I tride to retract it every way I could. Please forgive me.
 
harveysherps said:
I'll try to lay off the narcotics next time I post.
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Hey its cool. In case you've been wrapped up in this thread and away from local news, Astronauts are flying billion dollar spaceships into outerspace completely drunk as a skunk. NASA officials say it doesn't happen all the time and its not like anyone got hurt. I mean lets get real, I could use a few drinks before I pack the wife and kids into the freaking car for a trip to the grocery store just a mile away. Its a high stress situation were talking about here.

Anyway my point is.....

If NASA can forgive a drunken astronaut....Faunaclassifieds can sure forgive you. :)
 
If they stap me to a Rocket. I would have to be drunk and have an extra pair of drawers in my pocket.
 
Mooing Tricycle said:
Severe kinking near the tail
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Moo Moo, I screen shot it if you need it later.

As for old Allen, what a real piece of work there, it makes me sick.
 
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