IBD and Lynn Peterson

[dmasio]

Yea this deal had to go WAY south!! I spoke with Lynn who sounds like a hellova good guy about 3 weeks or so ago about a possible trade we were going to put together for a male albino boa I had but I needed the money more than more snakes. But anyway he spoke pretty highly of Daniel on the phone to me so Dan I think you did something pretty bad to iritate him. Im not saying your right or wrong but I think it could have been handled with a little more finese. But just my 2 cents. Lynn man hope your doin well Take care
Damian Macioce

 

[Ed Lilley]

I haven't been following Dans rep on here but I believe him.. I know of another boa Lynn sold to a close friend of mine that was an IBD case. It was a Tiger boa sold off of reptibid. My buddy got the snake in, called me as soon as it came in saying he couldn't believe this Lynn guy sent him in an un-insulated box with no heat pack. He also told me the snake was acting "loopy" I told him to keep it away from all his boas I will take a look at it. I went and checked it out that day, the boa had great markings but had zero equilibrium, and was thin. It was suppose to be a female and was a male also..... He called Lynn up several times and Lynn wouldn't help at all. The boa died shortly afterward.

I got an email from Lynn not to long ago, asking about some boa he had and told him simply I remembered him and would not help him. He should do the right thing and refund Kevins money. He responded with the most defensive explosive emial I have seen in a while.. This guy is obviously in denial, his collection is plagued by IBD. I don't like trashing peoples names, but IBD is serious! He won't refund your money when he sells you a sick defective snake anyway.

ED LILLEY

 

[ms_terese]

The boa died shortly afterward.

Was a necropsy done? The description of "loopy" could apply to other ailments.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, or even choose sides. It's simply that saying someone's stock is infected with IBD is a damn serious allegation with far reaching results. If someone has anything from a vet that verifies that animals died of IBD, it needs to be posted immediately.

 

[Ed Lilley]

I don't have that info.. maybe it was somthing else. The boa could not keep it's self right, had seizures, wouldn't eat, and was thin. With what Dan has said and this case before his, I wouldn't touch one of Lynn's boas with a ten foot pole. As I said I don't like to trash on folks, but it was an obviously ill boa and Lynn never helped the guy out at all. It's just totaly wrong... The few dollars he made on the sale was more important than his reputation. That alone speaks volumes to me..

Ed Lilley

 

[jim0602]

Hello I have to defend Lynn here. I do not know if this is the same snake because Kevin would offer no proof other than what he said. Several months’ back a guy that claimed to have purchased a snake from Lynn contacted me. He claimed the snake had ibd and that Lynn stated the snake came from me. I asked him how he came to the conclusion the snake had this and said from the way the snake was acting. He stated there were no vets in his area to have the snake checked at. I explained that the snake would have to be dead to check. He was mad that the snake would have to die to know. I told him then and many times after this to send the snake to me and I would get him a 100% refund including all shipping costs if the snake did indeed have ibd or any sickness and was indeed the snake I sold to Lynn. I brokered this snake for a guy in Oklahoma City. I really had no business even offering up a refund to the 2nd buyer down the road but I know Lynn well enough that this is what he would do. Kevin stated he wanted to keep the snake and see what happened. I said fine just keep me updated. I talked with him several times on the phone and the last time we talked it was an upper resp. infection. Never 1 time would he even send me a picture of the snake so I could at least verify this to be the same animal. All he would say is he wanted a refund. I certainly would not refund without at least seeing a pic.my main concern is that this animal was sent to Lynn the end of Feb. I’m not sure when the sale was to Kevin but from what I remember if was early march. This snake was in lynns hands I would say a week tops. I know lynns quarantine practices and there’s no way this snake would be anywhere close to the rest of his stock. Why would it take 9 months to say anything about it?? Ed I know the statement of Lynn not offering to do anything is a straight up lie. I also offered this guy a refund.1 of you are a liar. I don’t know which but 1 is. As to mis sexed. I doubt this also. The breeder I bought it from stated sexed female. I was never told it was the wrong sex by Kevin but it does happen. Poor shipping practices?? I find this 1 totally un believable. I have received dozens of packages from Lynn and all have been perfect.
This all started because Lynn called a guy and told him he wanted the money he was owed on some snakes. Ed I don’t know you and wont make statements without knowledge of what I’m saying but to me it looks like Lynn has pissed you off somewhere down the line and you are now trying to take your cheap shots. Why is it you came on here and spoke for your buddy instead of him?
This whole post may be nil and void due to the fact that Kevin would offer no proof other than what he has said. Who really knows if it’s even the same snake? Ed you 2 are such good buddies why don’t you lend him your camera for some pics or a scanner for vet reports? I’m through. All I can say is Lynn has top of the line animals at reasonable prices and out of 50 or more snakes and turtles there has never been 1 complaint.
Also in closing Ed I know Lynn very well and assume you have probably slandered the wrong man.

Jim burns

 

[jim0602]

Wow wish I would have read again before I posted.ed you don’t know?????????? Maybe it was something else??? Come the xxxx on man. You accuse of this then it’s a simple maybe it was something else. I do now see the true ed. you really need to get some proof before you talk b.s. Like that. Now it makes you look bad for spouting off with no knowledge of what you are saying.get proof then talk.

Jim burns

 

[Ed Lilley]

Jim,
I posted here because I happend to see the post. I am not out to get Lynn, I have coresponded with Lynn a few times via email and told him to do the right thing. Kevin can't post, his computer is down, he also has no camera. I do remember Kevin saying somthing about someone else other than Lynn wanting him to send the boa to them, I assume it was you. Why would he send a boa he bought from Lynn to you? He doesn't know you, and you were not part of the original dealing anyway.. He felt he was being scammed because the boa was in such poor shape from the get go. Anyone that has any experiance with snakes in general could see that the tiger boa he got was not right by any means, the second they saw it.

I had this boa in my hands and checked it out at Kevins house. It was the wrong sex, and was the most hurtin looking boa I have seen. If Kevin said uppper respatory infection at some point he must have been hoping for the best, He desperatly wanted that boa to live and be well. If he would have said somthing about a pic being requested I would have rushed over and took a few for him. The boa did die shortly after Kevin got it, It never ate, it had seizures and couldn't right it's self. Kevin is still out the funds he spent on that boa, It sure seem wrong to me.. but thats just my opinion...

And Jim... I said "I don't know... maybe it was somthing else" Because I don't know if Kevin had necroropsy done. The boa was showing classic symtoms of IBD in my opinion, if it wasn't that is was something that screamed "boa to keep away from your collection" regardless. It didn't happen overnight. You Obviously don't know me and don't know what level of experiance I have with herps... All the proof I needed was that hurtin boa in my hands and no refund to Kevin. I Guarentee Kevin was not scamming Lynn tryng to keep the boa and get a refund, the boa is DEAD. If Lynn wants to redeem himself he should appoligize to Kevin, and refund his money in full. Otherwise it is just arguementative BS..

 

[Ed Lilley]

I do now see the true ed. you really need to get some proof before you talk b.s. Like that. Now it makes you look bad for spouting off with no knowledge of what you are saying.get proof then talk.

Jim burns

YUP here's the true me... Standing up for my friends, and not putting up with people selling sick boas.

The proof was in my hands Jim...you are the one who added yourself to being part of the bad deal...

 

[jim0602]

Apologize?? Not from anyone other than you in my opinion. No one in his or her right mind will refund with not 1 tiny bit of proof. Can you tell me 1 fool that would ??? I would like to see pics so I know if this is even the snake I saw. I’m not sure the snake is the same and if not I need to be out of it. You have made major accusations against Lynn .I know for a fact that ½ of them are lies. I was not part of the original deal but kevin brought me into it. He called me I didn’t call him. If this snake was in such pathetic shape why would you even sex it ???.I don’t really care at this time if it was mis sexed. That’s not even the issue at this time. ((It sure seem wrong to me.. but thats just my opinion...)) so is it your opinion that Lynn should refund on kevins word ??I don’t think so. (( the boa is DEAD. If Lynn wants to redeem himself he should appoligize to Kevin, and refund his money in full. Otherwise it is just arguementative BS..)).before you started these malicious lies I do believe Lynn would have refunded him with some proof.you didn’t answer why it took 9 months to say anything then you say it here ??

Jim burns

 

[ms_terese]

All the 3rd party stuff is muddying the water alot...

OK, so Daniel knows of someone who had a snake die of IBD that came from Lynn. Afterwards, Daniel sells snakes back to Lynn. Oddly enough, they're still alive. No one has a necropsy that says IBD, nor does Daniel make mention of it to Lynn, even though it happened months ago and they were in frequent contact.

Daniel is asked for details, and tells everyone to **** off. Apparently his main concern was for the well being of the animals and the people that may have received those infected animals....right? :eyeroll:

Ed knows someone who had a snake die of suspected IBD that came from Lynn. No necropsy was done. How in hell's name do you have a dead snake that you suspect had IBD and not have a necropsy done? That was 9 months ago.

Jim comes on and openly admits that snake most likely came from him, and it was in Lynn's hands for a couple of weeks. I don't see anyone claiming that Jim's collection is infected.

People, this is serious business. Screaming "IBD" about someone's collection is not to be done lightly. I cannot believe that anyone has the audacity to do so without definitive proof that it's accurate information. It's BEYOND irresponsible.

I've never done business with Lynn. I've never met Lynn. I have talked to him on the phone a couple of times about some boas I had for sale. I wouldn't by any stretch of the imagination say that I "know" him. However, I do know that if his collection had IBD, it would have been wide spread knowledge by now.

 

[Ed Lilley]

Like I said before... I posted here simply because I saw the post up on the board. I think it is important to keep boas like this out of the breeding population. When I checked the boa out I noticed it looked like a male, thats why I checked , and it was a male. Lynn stoped returning Kevins calls, Not the other way around. I emailed Lynn privatly about this a while back he didn't do anything then either, accept flame me with a harsh email. I will call Kevin I bet he's got the snake frozen... He has already considered it a total loss at this point and I am sure it won't change.

My personal retraction.. I said it Lynns collection was plagued by IBD and he was in denial... That was rash, I only know of the one Kevin got from him. I have no clue on what Lynn has in his collection, and don't care to..

 

[jim0602]

Yep the true you. Lying for your friends. Then trying to cover your ass after the fact. Offering no proof that there ever was even a problem. We need to see some proof. I would love to see that I’m going off over the wrong snake but no proof. Teresa the snake wasn’t actually mine. I brokered it from an acquaintance in Oklahoma City. I also do not know Lynn personally. Talked on the phone about purchases but that’s it. It seems like several snakes have died from ibd. Oops hang on maybe it was something else. No bodies, no paperwork, no nothing but b.s. as far as I see it.i understand Daniel accusing. He owes Lynn $$$$$. Not sure why Ed decided to lie about it but assume he has a reason.

Jim burns

 

[Ed Lilley]

Jim,
I have no reason to lie...I havn't lied.. It is not benifiting me in anyway. So why would I lie? I am not covering my ass.. Just because I am man enough to say somthing I wrote was rash doesn't mean I am covering my ass it means I thought It was rash thing to say... I don't have the proof for you It wasn't my snake. I did have it in my hands, I saw it for sale on reptibid, I saw the box it came in, It was definitly I'll beond repair, it was the wrong sex. I got updates from Kevin as the whole thing went down because he was looking for advise.. Every corespondance with Lynn has been answered by him with his flaming emails. I have known Kevin for 10 years he was an employee of mine. Thats what my statments are based off of. It seems pretty obvious to me.. Don't sell I'll snakes, be a stand up guy, and bad threads don't get started about you...

 

[dhserps]

As

soon as I receive paperwork in the mail from th vet Ill post it I didnt just get the neocropsy done it was also sent to a lab in California for conformation of results.
I just got the phone call from the vet a week or so again I should have the written paperwork anyday. And if you dont believe me bring those infected boas into your collection. Actually since there is so much doubt find out for yourself you pay the vet and lab bill just like me remember Im untrustworthy a scammer a liar so im probally making this all up. At this point you have been warned and take it how you want.

 

[dhserps]

Oh NO

Not another person who got a snake with IBD from Lynn thats three. You can assume Im selling Het PIeds that arent hets with no proof but thats a serious accusation as well but this joker is sending out IBD and Everyone is lying Now I really could care less if you guys buy from him or not. Im not selling anything period Ill sell the morphs I produce at wholesale and have them brokered off so I dont need a rep.

 

[dhserps]

Jim

I think your running your mouth about some stuff you have no idea about I owe Lynn $40.00 for shipping Then when the report came back that the snake died of IBD well I ll be real honest I said f555 Lynn and his 40.00 did he pay for the vet bill did he offer to replace the snake I wouldnt take some thing from his filthy collection anyway but NO. YOu guys can say whatever do whatever my snakes will still sell. Have a wondeful New Years and please buy from Lynn Peterson stick those healthy snake around your Mojaves,Spiders, Albinos, Sunglows, I wont you go right ahead.

 

[jim0602]

dan showing yourself to be even bigger tard than we thought.we will continue buying healthy snakes for not only lynn but others.

jim burns

 

[ms_terese]

Not another person who got a snake with IBD from Lynn thats three.

How is that three? This is the type of inflammatory comment that continues to muddy the waters.

1. Mike Klein: Where is he? Lynn has stated that the source of the IBD was verified and it wasn't from Lynn's stock. This isn't "a snake with IBD from Lynn"

2. Kevin: No necropsy, and it seems to be understood that the snake wasn't from Lynn's stock. This isn't "a snake with IBD from Lynn"

3. Your aberrant boa: If you say you have a vet report, I believe you. Please post a pic of the animal and the vet report as soon as possible.

Daniel, did you indeed sell the other 2 aberrant boas (plus 2 more) back to Lynn without mentioning anything about the IBD findings? Why would you not call Lynn immediately with the findings?

I don't wish to hound you. I have not called you a liar, a scammer, a thief, or anything similar. However, it's aggravating for you to come here and make accusations, then respond harshly when you're asked for proof. It's just too serious a claim to not provide accurate evidence about.

 

[cthulhu77]

Agreed ! Coming on a board and crying "IBD" is like telling your friends that the girl over at the other table has an STD...not fair at all.
If you have documentation, post it. I am sure that everyone, including Lynn, would appreciate seeing it.
Had IBD sweep through a collection a long time ago, and it is horrific...haven't kept a boa since. This whole case sounds like a mixed up Springer episode..."he said, she said"...etc.
Facts. Just the facts. Thanks!
greg

 

[dhserps]

I did

let lynn know as soon as I found out I didnt tell him the boa died until i found out th reason i will post th report as soon as I recieve it The vet called me to let me know and said he would send info about IBD and the report from the lab