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I'm not a BS'er LOL. I have LOTS of blue dumbos

Ok... Here's my first bite... I hate to bark.. I'm The silent type; tracked down a customer; his name is Art; I don't k ow him other than selling him a dumbo male.. His number is; 602.722.9686... He's a nice guy and is aware of what we are trying to prove; I didn't coach him; he ain't my buddy buddy; he is a live person with a story for you... Just for you; he's waiting on your call; or would you like to do a three way??? This is my first bite... I still offer a rat lover a choice dumbo to further prove my case.. More bites are coming; this is the first.. Since the act of rat breeding takes all of four seconds to complete I don't have a way to prove my facts other than first hand accounts fro
real people.. None are members here either... So.. Make the call; or post your number for a three way... Mines always up and I always answer... All day.. I'm gonna do this too.. I have two breeder males; one a hairless; other a blue Rex... That's it for breeding males; my codom dumbos are all females... Their pics will be up here shortly.. They are not hets; and them to my dumbos; make dumbos in first breeding... Are you sure you wanna go through with this still...
 
Here's a second number to call tuffguy... Name's Cliff; non-member here; but ready to confirm my lineage.. Let's do a threeway call sometime.. Make it super simple for ya... Plus; still offering a real rat lover and breeder to come on out and grab one for free for trials... Cliff; IS a darn good friend of mine; and; he breeds rats and snakes and knows all there is to know; here's his number; 480.371.4064... All day anyday... He works for Apple Inc.; and is a busy character, so give him a call, leave a message and he'll get back to ya.. Or; threeway sometime... There's two; I'm diggin for more "real time" breeders with knowledge of my lineage... Tom; since you mentioned it; and I'm going to great length's, I'm gonna politely ask you to man up on your $50 debt you'll owe me too.. You have wasted $100's of my personal time and on the weekend too; mostly just upset with you chiming in on my first ad as a know-it-all.. It's ok though; I'm havin fun and laughing at you sir the whole time.. Maybe; I'll just do this pro-bono?? So; how do you wanna proceed... I got two numbers; real live people to confirm my side; whatta ya say?? Now; would you believe me if I said all my codom dumbos are females and I have the males I say I have... That's what I've got... Showing pics doesnt' really help.. But; I snapped some for ya... Weary on showing them to ya, cuz they are for my family's pleasure, not pic collector's like you... I have 2 males and a plethora of females: rexes, hairless, and dumbos... Maybe a couple normals?? I phase them out or are for fresh lines only; once again; NO HETS... Or; so I don't wind up like you; all the same ol boring stuff; or even worse; sewer rat look-a-likes... I like colors and patterns.. Kinda why mine are different than yours.. So; I guess we wait; since you aren't gonna make a call; I am sure of this?? Waiting for someone to help us out I guess from this site?? I am actually gonna contact some other reputable breeders of rats and snakes and slip a codom dumbo to them for fun for trials... I'll be here in a couple months with more results.. I can't stand people who act like you; so it'll be my pleasure I guess to continue addin to this fire we got going here... Don't you wish more people cared?? Just you and I?? My proof has been laid twice... You; still belting out "Enquirer like" facts about rats??
 
Love the Iphone and it's lovely spellchecker.. That was lil huffin match here.. At any rate.. All we do here is one male to 8-10 females; not 50 to a tub in a rack.... My males are father and son... White scraggly hairless male; and a blue rex son.. Those are my only breeder males at this time.. 20+ females of all colors and morphs as well.. Here they are... Now everyone can say they saw codom dumbo rats.. Yippie yay!!! Anything bred to one of my dumbos will produce dumbos in the first litter.. Why is this sooo hard to believe Tom?? I can't believe you are debating this Tom?? Heck... Why am I debating this so hard to an obvious novice?? The proof is in the pictures... Yours; mine?? I've posted to numbers to call and confirm right now, waiting?? Ferget it; here's some real rats!!!
 

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Oh, and one more little thing.... Clean your rats more often.. The amount of fecal material in there let's me know just about all I need to about you sir... Must smell terrible where you keep those kids... Since they can't speak; I'll do it for em... "Clean me please!!!!"
 
deborahbroadus said:
I care, but I haven't seen anything but "puffing" yet...and I don't get between two males that are playing "mine is bigger than yours!" ;)
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Agreed. Why not just drop it, since you aren't obviously getting anywhere.

If someone can get fifty bucks for what amounts to a feeder rat, more power to 'em. :shrug01:
 
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Lol Deborah.. Glad you were here... I definitely respect your opinion; how can we stop this like huffin match here?? Open for proposals??
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I am too far away, or I would definitely have taken one of your animals and put it to the test.:)

I am waiting for more knowledgable rat people to chime in.:thumbsup:
 
The heat on my part is being tired of people ruining ads with funny remarks.... I know we have all been there... I've proven my point and my offer stands for anyone wanting to add something special to their "feeder" rats as so nicely mentioned... These are not for feeding; your choice on that comment.. Since it's about fine line rats.. Here's a couple of soothing shots.. My case has been stated... Please understand when this guy chimes in with a funny guy comment on your ad.... Tired of folks like that; and trying to flex their genetics wizz muscle that they are incorrect on.. At any hoot; the thread's about rats; ain't it... Here we grow!!! Tom; you owe me $50 though.. lol.. Keep it for rat bedding; I'm good... In case some don't know; there are rats out there for hundreds of dollars, and some into the thousands.. Maybe that'll have you lookin at the "snake food" a little differently from now on...
 

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When you produce a manx from 2 tailed rats then please tell me about genetics, probability and odds.

Ask Tom, he has the one I produced in 18 years of breeding.

Tom your rats AND bins both look fine.:thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
MagickalMorphs said:
Agreed. Why not just drop it, since you aren't obviously getting anywhere.

If someone can get fifty bucks for what amounts to a feeder rat, more power to 'em. :shrug01:
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I got a couple hundred bucks from some black rats that I am told will appear on a VERY popular animal TV channel thanks to Tom's referral. If my name ever appears on the credits, I will be sure to post it all over fauna. For now I am enjoying the cash. Fingers crossed! Thanks again Tom!!
 
Lol Maia... Boy; did I ever get a different definition of that drawing from my gal?? Lol.. Now; let's ask big Tom what he feeds his precious rats?? Not food meant for canines?? Bu doomp boomp booomp??? I made a Manx rat once too; sheared his tail off in an FB rack?? Did away with the rack systems shortly thereafter... Tom; please don't bob rat tails from now on my man?? C'mon now.. Did you still need directions out here so you could get some good blood over there???
 
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I don't injure my rats in racks. You might want to be more careful and stop abusing yours. Saddens me to hear you injured your animal to the point of amputation due to your neglegence.
 
And to your point of feeds: you may want to contact Blue Seal, Mazuri and Harlen. You will be VERY surprised how close a few "canine" feeds are to their blends. Talked to people from a local feed company, Zeigler, which pushed me to using the same feed as Tom.
 
My 2 cents:

From my own eyes observing and comparing:

Tom Smith's Rats may be Dumbos, but they appear GREY/GRAY not blue or any shade of blue which I am familar with or any of the shades described in the research articles. They are also drowning in their own feces. He would have been better served to clean up the tubs before photographing them and perhaps putting the animals in a better light than the dark tubs. As it is, I can't imagine buying one of the rats pictured as a pet.:(:no01:

Tom P's animals appear blue and/or have bluish hues much different from grey/gray. His tubs are also cleaner and imo they are the sort of rats that ARE sold at pets in the upperscale petshops and online. :bolt01:
 
Sazooki fer life... Those pics are disgusting to us... Please refrain from more... And; have you ever ridden a CBR 1000??? You'd be singin a different toon my man.. Lol.. By the by; it woulda read negligence... Not with the E in there... Had to... Sorry bud... I do commend ya on your defense strat though?? My man!!
 
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