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Lately there's been quite alot of discussion regarding inbreeding bearded dragons in order to create what some people think are a desirable trait. I think this is wrong but would like to know what others think.
Let me put it this way...do you think that it's worth the risk of genetic related problems (even years down the line) to breed related dragons?
 
No, I absolutely do NOT agree with inbreeding, for any reason. I am now aware that a lot of our dragons were inbred to create higher color, but am pretty sure that had I been aware that's what it took, I probably would not have purchased them. Hindsight is always 20-20, you know?

I am of the personal belief that the already close relation in bloodlines of dragons in the U.S. is what has caused some of the issues that dragons have now, and certainly don't think we need to intentionally do something to increase those issues.
 
I am now aware that a lot of our dragons were inbred to create higher color, but am pretty sure that had I been aware that's what it took, I probably would not have purchased them.

I think that people believe that just because we once practiced this, that we can continue to do this. But the way I see it is at one time we all thought Asbestos was ok....we know better now, don't we?

I've read on other forums some people believe that inbreeding in dogs and cats to get a certain trait is fine, therefore it should be ok with reptiles, and I'm wondering how others feel about this?
 
whiskersmom said:
I've read on other forums some people believe that inbreeding in dogs and cats to get a certain trait is fine, therefore it should be ok with reptiles, and I'm wondering how others feel about this?

here kitty, kitty, kitty....my kitties are het for human..pretty kitty !!!
 

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Just doing my part to lighten the mood around here..and give everyone a good friday chuckle !
 
whiskersmom said:
Lately there's been quite alot of discussion regarding inbreeding bearded dragons in order to create what some people think are a desirable trait. I think this is wrong but would like to know what others think.
Let me put it this way...do you think that it's worth the risk of genetic related problems (even years down the line) to breed related dragons?

I am not a fan of inbreeding for any reason. That said, there are ways of breeding that make this a safer practice, but you have to do plenty of outbreeding to strengthen the lines if you want to avoid serious issues.
To hit on color. A lot of the reds and oranges we see today were not necessarily created by inbreeding. There are places in Australia where it isn't abnormal to see a naturally orange beardie. Evolution is a wonderful thing, and reptiles are great at adapting to their environs. If you have red soil, you'll get a redder dragon. Lighter soil, a lighter dragon. Dark rocky terrain, a darker skinned dragon. In the wild, they will adopt traits that help them blend in, and in the game of survival, reptiles are amazing.
I am far from convinced that some of the breeding we have seen is for the betterment of the species. Breeding for color when you have the opportunity to check bloodlines is one thing, breeding deformed animals is something else entirely. Reading the stories on how some of the current lines were created, and reading about curly tails and crooked spines, and just sick, deformed animals just makes me ill.
In the case of the current morph, it doesn't matter who the breeder is or what they sell for, it doesn't matter to me how ugly or curious people think they are. The one concern I have is that this animal seems to be missing a couple critical layers of its hide, and we have no clue what that really means for the animal itself. Personally, I think that beardies are beautiful just the way nature intended them to be, and I think that they have all their scales and spikes for a reason. They need them in the wild, and they need them in captivity if they are going to breed OR be housed with another beardie because all natural stuff is what protects them from aggressive mates and nips and bites.
What was that line from that old commercial? "Its not nice to fool with mother nature"
 
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So, does that mean you are for it or against it? :lol01:

I will answer in a litttle more detail later, but right now I have got to separate my feeder roaches, because I just know there must be inbreeding going on in them there bins...
 
omg jean,im lmao over here! :rofl: just for the record there is NO excuse for inbreeding and it makes me sick what certain breeders are doing :angry:
 
well sherri,im sure you wont mind me posting this over here since the "smoothie"thread got locked and this thread is relevant to what i need to say.i think that if a breeder (such as dachiu) is going to promote inbreeding (such as the silkback) they should be around to answer questions :yesnod: everyone knows what the questions are since they have been asked many times but not clearly answered.
 
Sounds like a mighty good time to lock this thread also..
 

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puppytoes72 said:
surprise surprise,look who followed me over here ;)


Just wanted to see the speed record set for getting the most warning points issued in a day...Go girl !!!!!
 
mikey said:
Just wanted to see the speed record set for getting the most warning points issued in a day...Go girl !!!!!

Jean-

Michele and MANY other people have some very valid questions about some issues. That doesn't make them any less of a person than you.

You really don't have to be so rude.
 
mikey said:
Just wanted to see the speed record set for getting the most warning points issued in a day...Go girl !!!!!
thanks,my goal is 500 :D im sure you wont get any though.i do see someone lurking in the shadows waiting to pounce tho :rofl:
 
Saladragon said:
Jean-

Michele and MANY other people have some very valid questions about some issues. That doesn't make them any less of a person than you.

You really don't have to be so rude.
thank you tere,unfortunately this person can get away with it though
 
puppytoes72 said:
thanks,my goal is 500


The total number of points required to trigger a suspension with a fine attached to be reinstated has been lowered from 500 points to 300 points.


Jean
 
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