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Inquiry Info On Adam Kuhn Reptiles?

WTF? Was this really directed towards me?

I think that it's admirable that you gave a kid down in the dumps a new bp. What happened to his animal was unfortunate, and to be honest, I'd probably do the same if I had extra normal males lying around. BUT you jumped to conclusions assuming that the breeder had tried to scam him. By the buyer's OWN ACCOUNTS the bp looked like it was in perfect condition when he bought it. When the breeder was informed that the snake had died, he offered to make it right. Just because you believe he should have gone against his better judgment and shipped the snake in the dead of winter, does not mean that he tried to scam anyone, or do anything other than provide perfectly acceptable customer service.

Can you show me where I assumed that the breeder tried to scam him? I put an INQUIRY..that's what it's for. If I assumed I would have stated, "A newcomer got scammed...." Where did I say this?

I said there was another way to handle it..I didn't say that he MUST ship...I believe my suggestion was that they both meet somewhere since obviously they are both close to Havre de Grace and the seller could see his snake for HIMSELF and make a decision...I believe that's the suggestion that I offered.
 
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and you want to hold ME responsible for what someone else posted??:eek: Why don't you contact the OP and ask him to change the title?? Did this occur to anyone?? The mods there aren't like here, they will change things if asked. I haven't spoke to the young man since I delivered the snake!

How many times have someone posted the wrong thing..why is it this time, simply because I spoke to him that I MYSELF am responsible for the way the thread is posted?

Do you REALLY think that I am so nasty, underhanded etc that I would stoop to doing something like that? I asked a question That is true and it was an Inquiry. I made my opinions known in another forum about how it was handled...and all of a sudden I am responsible for this whole freaking mess??

I am going to get a drink....yeah...I got some Vodka in the house... :thumbsup: and I am disinfecting tubs anyway.
Deb do you want to know what sent up the first red flag on bpnet to me that something was wrong.How many times did the kid post before he tore out of there once we started asking him questions? Second flag,he had no problem registering on bpnet but was unable to register here.Now unless he has been banned i dont think there would be anything else that would prevent him from registering here.Now more then likely we may never here from that kid again because he has been shown to be a lier here and bpnet.
 
NOW yo'all keep harping on TRUTH..I haven't seen any yet. The child posted that he offered to pay for shipping and that's what I am going by. If I got scammed so be it; but no one should have to deal with a dead snake their first purchase and if it was something that he did wrong (which is why he was sent to bp.net..that would have came out too, if y'all hadn't started attacking/accusing him right off. Y'all really have no clue how to make the bad guy reveal himself..but you doing a good job of making yourself look bad by hounding me and insisting that I had some terrible motive for what I did.

btw: python..wanna tell me who it is that told you "I wasn't...etc" or you fighing battles for someone else to keep me busy? Well, I am disinfecting racks/tubs and taking a break now (vodka)..but soon I am going to get fed up with this childish yammering trying to prove I did something wrong.
 
Also..I have a full time job for which I have to be up at 4:am..so if I don't answer..for a while..it's because I have a life.

I certainly am not going to lose my job over this..it's what enables me to keep buying BPS!! LOL
 
Deb do you want to know what sent up the first red flag on bpnet to me that something was wrong.How many times did the kid post before he tore out of there once we started asking him questions? Second flag,he had no problem registering on bpnet but was unable to register here.Now unless he has been banned i dont think there would be anything else that would prevent him from registering here.Now more then likely we may never here from that kid again because he has been shown to be a lier here and bpnet.

If it makes you feel good to believe that...so be it. He came back and refuted all the accusations. He didn't "tear out of there."

I have problems getting on Fauna sometimes..why should I not believe that he couldn't get on..and he's MUCH too young to have been on any forums long enough to get banned, and his speech, way of talking is waaay too polite.

He was polite even after the way you kept accusing him. He has a job and he's not a forum addict:btw: I did see his employee ID.

I prefer to believe him.
 
If it makes you feel good to believe that...so be it. He came back and refuted all the accusations. He didn't "tear out of there."

I have problems getting on Fauna sometimes..why should I not believe that he couldn't get on..and he's MUCH too young to have been on any forums long enough to get banned, and his speech, way of talking is waaay too polite.

He was polite even after the way you kept accusing him. He has a job and he's not a forum addict:btw: I did see his employee ID.

I prefer to believe him.
Sure he was polite you were giving him a free snake :rofl:.So you dont think some of the past members whom were banned were some kids? Yea right! Good night
 
First of all, there was no reason to have a buyer beware thread posted. None whatsoever. I think it's ridiculous that the breeder had his reputation brought in to question when it appeared that he had done everything he should have. You were the one that recommended that he post a thread.

He offered to pay shipping...right? So, why should he have to wait a couple of weeks after he already has made the trip, brought the snake and paid his own way in?

Why have to go though it twice (even if someone else is paying the second time) why have to wait when you already had brought one and had plans for it and were ready for it?

I don't know.....

After I pay my money for a snake, I want it. I don't want to wait any more time (or I would have put it on the layaway).

I don't subscribe to the theory that I have to make a trip, buy a snake, have it die less than 24 hours later (and it's somehow my fault) and I should wait 6 weeks till I can get another cause he'll pay my way in the show.

Does anyone know this breeder? How do we know he would even BE at the next show? Does he have a good name?

Going to Fauna... To find out....

BTW: The OP had approached me about buying a snake...and I suggested he post his experience. I suggested that he post to keep myself from being scammed because after I heard his story, I offered to meet him somewhere and give him a free snake which he will be receiving today.

It's called CUSTOMER SERVICE for a reason.
The OP offered to pay shipping himself.

One positive post 2 years ago is no indication of his business practices now, and he was sellling Corns..these are BPs...how do we even know it's the same person (a lot of newbies have been stealing/copying names of the more established breeders)? I did ask him to post it on Fauna where people had more experience getting to the heart of a matter and could read the posts more carefully...sorry to be so blunt.

Slamming... If I brought a snake and it died as soon as I got it home, I would certainly have questions. If the snake was too "weak" to make the trip without dying, the breeder should know what kind of stock he has (imo) I would want to know!

I have made a mistake shipping and the snakes arrived very cold..they are still alive to this day and they were cold for longer than it's "assumed" that the snake in question was cold.

On the other hand...it would have to get close to 100 degrees for the snake to die of heat and I don't think that is what happened here. I do wish he had posted the pics of the dead snake at the SAME time as this thread, it may have given a different viewpoint on his concerns.

From the answers some have given,...a lot of us are learning who NOT to buy from.

Ok, I've compiled a list of some of Deb's posts in the bp.net thread. Everyone is free to make their own assessment on whether or not Deb has supported in bashing the credibility of a breeder without any support.
 
AND pay particular attention to this:
One positive post 2 years ago is no indication of his business practices now, and he was sellling Corns..these are BPs...how do we even know it's the same person (a lot of newbies have been stealing/copying names of the more established breeders)?

Don't sound like I was bashing ANYONE, sounds like I was trying to find out some answers and if this was the same person...again asking questions is against the law?

I posted my opinions the same as the rest of you..what this is is YOU twisting what it means and not being able to take it as it is.
 
ok, I am done. Y'all just proved to me that you don't have any reading comprehension and that you are both fools.

The fact that that breeder (if he's the same one) has you two for friends..I am going to steer clear of him....and...if you ever see a bad post about me..support it..don't drag anyone here, I don't CARE what they say. Because I KNOW if it's true, I'll be able to satisfy my customer, even if it means giving him a free snake the next day.

LIKE I SAID..it's called CUSTOMER SERVICE for a reason.

Your friend has his reasons for doing what he did, I just happened not to agree since they were close to each other enough to attend Havre de grace, that was a very good suggestion,. on my part. He would have been able to determine for himself if the snake died from something the OP did, or if it was just one of those things.

HAVE FUN. :)
 
ok, I am done. Y'all just proved to me that you don't have any reading comprehension and that you are both fools.

The fact that that breeder (if he's the same one) has you two for friends..I am going to steer clear of him....and...if you ever see a bad post about me..support it..don't drag anyone here, I don't CARE what they say. Because I KNOW if it's true, I'll be able to satisfy my customer, even if it means giving him a free snake the next day.

LIKE I SAID..it's called CUSTOMER SERVICE for a reason.

Your friend has his reasons for doing what he did, I just happened not to agree since they were close to each other enough to attend Havre de grace, that was a very good suggestion,. on my part. He would have been able to determine for himself if the snake died from something the OP did, or if it was just one of those things.

HAVE FUN. :)

I'm not friends with Adam Kuhn. I've never spoken with him in my life. I know you much better, Deb, from posting on this forum. In fact, I assumed that I was going to side with you. However, after reading the thread in its entirety, I do feel that he was portrayed unfairly by the OP and you.

I don't have any issues with reading comprehension. Maybe you just lack any self-awareness.
 
ok, I am done. Y'all just proved to me that you don't have any reading comprehension and that you are both fools.

The fact that that breeder (if he's the same one) has you two for friends..I am going to steer clear of him....and...if you ever see a bad post about me..support it..don't drag anyone here, I don't CARE what they say. Because I KNOW if it's true, I'll be able to satisfy my customer, even if it means giving him a free snake the next day.

LIKE I SAID..it's called CUSTOMER SERVICE for a reason.

Your friend has his reasons for doing what he did, I just happened not to agree since they were close to each other enough to attend Havre de grace, that was a very good suggestion,. on my part. He would have been able to determine for himself if the snake died from something the OP did, or if it was just one of those things.

HAVE FUN. :)

Deborah, here YOU are the one making assumptions. You're assuming that the only reason anyone could disagree with you is because we're friends with the breeder in question. Is it not clear to you that not a single user on bp.net held the same viewpoint as you? Is it not clear to you that your posts are CLEARLY derogatory towards a breeder even though there is lack of any proof that he did any substandard?

I tried to post my opinion in a perfectly reasonable manner without causing unnecessary distress or insults. You are the one making assumptions at this point, Deb, and maybe you need to seriously reconsider the accusations you have made towards Adam, Joe and myself. You are wrong about a lot of things, but it appears that you're too dense or too stubborn to realize it.

Yes, maybe you would have dealt with the issue differently, but that does NOT make Adam Kuhn a lesser breeder with worse customer service.
 
Due to time constraints, I'm not going to go back and read all of what has been posted since the last time I looked at this thread (sometime Tues night)...but I previously managed to skim through the BP.net thread.
There are a couple of reasons he might not have been able to post here -
1) if he was under the set age (I think Rich said that anybody admitting being under 13 was blocked)
2) if his registration was awaiting approval. I believe this was said to have happened to another new member recently.

Deborah, (IMO) you have locked onto your version of the way things should be, and you're convinced that you are correct. I'm not saying you right or wrong, but..... Aside from the kid wanting his snake immediately, I don't really think there is anything wrong with the offer the seller made. Perhaps he isn't as close to the show as you seem to think (some vendors travel a significant distance to shows)...or, maybe he is busy (or keeps hours like mine) and doesn't have the time to take a few hours to hand deliver a single snake. Maybe he doesn't WANT to ship in cold weather, possibly endangering the replacement snake...especially if he questions the legitimacy of the complaint. Maybe he just wanted to allow the customer to see/choose/inspect the replacement first hand, to be sure of his ultimate satisfaction.

The buyer thoroughly inspected the snake at the show. If there was a reason for it to die within 2 hrs, it likely would not have passed anybody's look test. Yes, occasionally things just die - but this situation reeks of customer error, to me. I've been attending shows long enough to have seen a lot - and customers carrying deli cupped reptiles out to their cars during the winter has always made me shake my head.

This thread...I can take it at face value. Somebody posted a negative experience about a seller, and you wanted some background info for your own reasons.

You giving the kid a snake was a nice gesture...and a PR stunt.
 
Deb -
I read the original BP post and here.

I think it's admirable you're helping the kid out, but your tone here and in the bp.net definitely comes off as... strange. Even the kid's first post made it look like the seller was an okay guy and just the kid was extra-demanding.
1) it IS bad to post a "buyer beware" thread when the seller hasn't done anything wrong. No you are not in direct control of what was posted, but you've said you encouraged him to post "his experience" and also seemed to support him on the thread.
2) this is dubious at best, because the kid was not asking "what happened to my snake here's what I did, is it my fault or the seller or no one??" but rather "this seller obviously gave me a dud snake and knew it and needs to give me a new snake RIGHT NOW not at the next show!" - there was also no mention of a refund, which was probably the best option.
3) the kid got angry and defensive at questions about their setup, and did not answer many questions (admittedly there were a LOT of questions asked and it could get tiresome).

Basically you come across not so much as being helpful to a kid who had some bad luck, but as encouraging an obnoxious buyer to smear a decent breeder's rep. I'm not saying you MEANT to do that, but if you're not even taking a second to consider whether the problem in communication lies with you or with the readers, then you're just as bad as this kid who won't possibly consider for a second something might have been mistakenly wrong with his setup, or that sometimes these things just happen.
 
All I can say is:

If anyone speaks badly of you, live so that none will believe it.

Do what you can, for who you can with what you have and where you are.

Wishing your day be filled with love and peace!
 
I think it’s fairly obvious that it is a case of someone going into it with a certain idea and being dead set on proving that.

I’m not meaning to offend anyone – but I can say that I was the 3rd poster in the bp.net thread. This is what I posted:

“I gotta say - you are dealing with animals here and that makes it unpredictable.

Correct me if I'm wrong but he is saying he will replace the snake and pay for your admission to the show - you just have to wait a couple weeks?”

I didn’t side with the poster or the breeder, I didn’t question the setup or his usage of the word quarantine – I simply said working with animals was unpredictable. Which it is.

The second part I was asking for a clarification – based on this part from the original post I was uncertain whether or not the breeder was giving him a free snake or was intending on charging him for another one:

“He said that I would have to wait until the next show on Feburary 15th (almost six weeks from now) in which he would pay the $7.00 for admission and then provide me with a new snake! He did not offer another snake free of charge, and when I offered to pay for shipping he deterred me and said that it would cost me at least $50.00.”

This was broadude’s (deb’s) response:

“He offered to pay shipping...right? So, why should he have to wait a couple of weeks after he already has made the trip, brought the snake and paid his own way in?

Why have to go though it twice (even if someone else is paying the second time) why have to wait when you already had brought one and had plans for it and were ready for it?”

I never made any comment on whether that was the right or wrong way to handle it or said that the poster should have to or not mind waiting. Whether or not I thought that my post was merely asking for clarification. This was before anyone else was really a part of the thread it so I can guarantee it had nothing to do with any one individual posting and I don’t know Adam Kuhn so it had nothing to do with that. Seems it was a simple case of hearing one side of a story and refusing to accept there may have been another side, especially considering such a defensive answer to a neutral post.
 
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Ok i forwarded the email from Adam to RJK890 and if he could post it here for all to see please.I would but i might mess something up lol.
 
I think it’s fairly obvious that it is a case of someone going into it with a certain idea and being dead set on proving that.

I’m not meaning to offend anyone – but I can say that I was the 3rd poster in the bp.net thread. This is what I posted:



I didn’t side with the poster or the breeder, I didn’t question the setup or his usage of the word quarantine – I simply said working with animals was unpredictable. Which it is.

The second part I was asking for a clarification – based on this part from the original post I was uncertain whether or not the breeder was giving him a free snake or was intending on charging him for another one:



This was broadude’s (deb’s) response:



I never made any comment on whether that was the right or wrong way to handle it or said that the poster should have to or not mind waiting. Whether or not I thought that my post was merely asking for clarification. This was before anyone else was really a part of the thread it so I can guarantee it had nothing to do with any one individual posting and I don’t know Adam Kuhn so it had nothing to do with that. Seems it was a simple case of hearing one side of a story and refusing to accept there may have been another side, especially considering such a defensive answer to a neutral post.

You are right about that. I did have my own opinion. Trying to prove myself right? how do you prove an opinion right. I do stand by what I said.

If i paid for something I would want it, I am exactly like that. So yes, I did support the buyer on that. He said he offered to pay shipping, he showed me pics of the set up and snake....yep. I had an opinion. Support a bad guy thread..you are leaping right there. I said, I don't see why he should have to wait...how is that supporting a bad guy thread?? I agreed with THAT PART of it.

I really wish y'all would stop taking out bits and pieces and let people go read the whole thing themselves, including the cut out pieces that were set in quarantine.

Yep..I am dogged when I think I am right. I don't see where the op was wrong to want another snake and not have to wait 6 weeks, and I offered another opinion.

For those that think it was a "pat on the back" or a "stunt" or something other than what it was..I feel sorry for y'all. If I wanted attention (which Y'ALL (here) are giving me regardless of whether i asked for it or not)..I have other ways to sell my animals. Telling a bunch of people that I helped ONE person isn't much of a "stunt." I have done way more than that if I really wanted attention.

I have this problem..I don't like other people putting motives and thinking they know WHY I did this or that. I get dogged and angry when it happens. I am old enough and pretty sure that I know myself well enough to know why I do anything that I do. I do not need to lie, paint pretty pictures or create something that's not there.

It appears that some (you know who you are..just want to be RIGHT cause you sure ain't going to let it go). You want to be right that I am so egoistical that I need to brag about helping someone to get attention. other people help and talk about it and they aren't dragged over the net and stoned in the forums. Perhaps it was the fact that I mentioned it in the same post that was about another breeder?

I have no clue as to why the fact that I have a difference of opinion, or was on the side of the young man should have earned this much infamous attention..but I am getting ideas, and so are people reading. Some of you need to go back and reread your own posts in other forums, other threads and see where you may have done the same thing I did..brag about your animals, or someone giving your something or giving someone something. I didn't label anyone..sometimes a gift is just that, and an opinion is just that.

Someone once told me (after the first forum stoning) that I was accepted by Fauna and I laughed my ass off..I told him no...I have no such false belief..they are just waiting for me to screw up! :rofl:
 
LMAO.Now you say i am trying to get attention :rolleyes:.When Adam gets the time he will come here to post the truth ok.The lesson for you here should be keep your nose out of others deals :thumbsup:.I was warned about your type and gave you the benefit of doubt at first.BOY WAS I FOOLED


Again..share ..WHO warned you about my type? What is my type? Who here knows me so well that they know my type?

What type am I? I have a few ideas ( I know myself) but i wanna know who TOLD YOU what type I am and how they know.

For those that REALLY want to know what's behind this: It's in the quarantine area of bp.net.
 
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Again..share ..WHO warned you about my type? What is my type? Who here knows me so well that they know my type?

What type am I? I have a few ideas ( I know myself) but i wanna know who TOLD YOU what type I am and how they know.

For those that REALLY want to know what's behind this: It's in the quarantine area of bp.net.
Deb i am not going to waste much time today on you.You ask what type you are.Well you are the type that throws a hissy fit when ever someone disagrees with you!! My god whats your next excuse? I know we are all involved in a conspiracy against you :rolleyes:.Now please stop wasting every ones time because we disagree with you ok.
 
Deb i am not going to waste much time today on you.You ask what type you are.Well you are the type that throws a hissy fit when ever someone disagrees with you!! My god whats your next excuse? I know we are all involved in a conspiracy against you :rolleyes:.Now please stop wasting every ones time because we disagree with you ok.

yeah..it's all me..why not post the items in quarantine too?
 
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