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(Inguiry)Rare Pythons

Well Chris, if you don't mind me saying this, and it matters little if you do. This reeks of fish, I am not even going to say at this point what I really think.

OK, you got busted making fake DLs, and you claim you took care of your past mistake. Did you get rich doing this? Where did a con making fake DLs come up with all this money to fund these new businesses? Do tell me this was not the cash collected in the TSE scam?

Also, tell me that this DL was one that was not forged by you?
 

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Upon viewing the license again, something caught my eye. Notice the signature. Maybe I'm old fashioned,but how many people print their signature?
 
If you are getting into the business big-time... by buying 200 gravid imports, then selling the babies(for not enough to pay for the females) and then selling the females, how are you "in the business"?
That's instant turn-around for no profit. Even at "top dollar" of $10 each for the hatchlings, with maintance, I don't think you're going to make a dime, much less enough to matter. Selling the adults, then what next? Buy more gravid imports? To lose money all over again?

Contacting people to get permission to use their pictures, and supposedly sell their snakes as a middleman, sets up a nice way to sell extra babies as hets. Being all new to the industry, and such a upstanding member of society, maybe the idea of selling 5-10 normal babies for each "het" just didn't occur to you?

All those pictures of morphs that aren't your pictures, with no caption stating that it wasn't your snake, or your picture, all that has already put you on the negative side of the equation. Add in the priors for fraud activities, and you should see how people will be just SLIGHTLY suspicious.
Proving your innocence in this on the BOI here would be a good idea. I'm not sure how you'd do that at this point, since IF you were totally innocent in every way, you'd have managed to do nearly every single red flag activity to paint yourself a scammer. Either you have the worst judgement/luck on the planet, or you were hoping to scam some people. Which was it?
 
Check out Kingsnake...lots of wholesale babies are going for around $10-20 a piece and large female regulars are over $60.
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Just because that's what you may see them advertised for....that doesn't mean that's what they are ultimately selling for, either.

You may want to note....most folks refer to them as "normals", not "regulars". Assuming that you mean that they are normal, not het for anything animals....just to avoid any further confusion.
 
The thing that bothers me so bad is that we ALL know that atleast half of those 200 gravid imports are gonna be dead in a few months with a novice tryin to care for them....

Or if he is able to sell them imagine how many ppl are gonna be mad as hell
getting nearly dead severly underweight "proven breeders"

Hopefully this thread will be enuff to EVERYONE clear of this skid mark...
 
Gib said:
The thing that bothers me so bad is that we ALL know that atleast half of those 200 gravid imports are gonna be dead in a few months with a novice tryin to care for them....

Or if he is able to sell them imagine how many ppl are gonna be mad as hell
getting nearly dead severly underweight "proven breeders"

Hopefully this thread will be enuff to EVERYONE clear of this skid mark...
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All too sadly true, Gib. :(
 
One other thing that bugged me about that DL - it was supposedly provided by CJ's girlfriend? I can't be the only one that noticed it expired in '99...the whole TSE debacle didn't explode until 2006. Who holds onto an expired license (an "under 21" license, no less) for 7 yrs?
 
Different timing, different circumstances, I would have volunteered for the roadtrip to check the place out & verify the presence of the 200 gravid females.


(for what it's worth, I tried to go to TSE once upon a time...I was trying to purchase something, and put forth the idea of picking them up. I didn't get a response. When I contacted them a week later, the animals I had been interested in were all sold. Now, that is neither here nor there, if this Chris is who/what he says he is...but it would be a shame to have such an invitation extended, and nobody take him up on it. I think there are a lot of people that would like to know if he is on the up and up...then, he could crawl out from under the shadow of CJ/TSE to deal with the stigma of getting lumped with the likes of Joe Capone)
 
Suncoast Herpetological said:
Chris

The website was set up with the express purpose of misleading the public into believing you were a major breeder of Ball Pythons. In essence, you are a newbie with a checkbook looking to cash in as quickly as possible. As such, you will find that selling hets is a dicey business without a rep to back it. Chris Johnson and a few others made sure of that. Rather than earn that rep, you have decided to manufacture one. Search this site with the name Joe Capone and you will see how well that mindset works.

Your past is also an issue. Since you already have two criminal convictions to your credit at the tender age of 25, it is amusing that your next business endeavor was to manufacture portable grow houses. I particularly like the models on your site that are disguised as speakers and PC's. I am sure a lot of people like to keep their tomato plants on the down low.

This is a testimonial on your own site



Nice to see you consider someone using your product to grow a plant that has been labeled a controlled substance in several states to be a positive selling point.

Chris, you are the poster child for exactly what this industry does not need. Another fast buck artist looking to make a killing.
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First off, how does this have any relevance to selling snakes? I am looking to make a fast and hard buck, but in a legitimate way. I'm not scamming anyone, nor have I made any kind of attempt. I'm a wealthy man, but I'm always looking into new business ventures. The quote above was from a customer testimonial. The ONLY HETS I HAD FOR SALE ARE FROM JC AND CC, I DID NOT PRODUCE THEM, but I do have all the paperwork.
 
The BoidSmith said:
OK let's use your optimistic figures $10 per baby wholesale, that's on average $50 per female (at 5 babies average). How much did they cost? $40-50 each. Let's assume you have "0" mortality. You broke even on the females (and I'm not counting maintenance costs). You are going to sell all your big WC girls for $50 (always use the low figure, if it's more better) that adds up to $10,000. Now you have worked with 200 females (please add food, labor, electricity, investment in facilities, etc.) and you have enough money to buy 3 (three) baby pieds. Does it seem like a good investment?
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I will have at least 6-8 babies each at minimum. These girls are huge. That is $60-80 each at rock bottom wholesale prices. Then the adult females are still in my collection, whether I sell them off or use them for my own project. Either way the adult females are worth at least $50 each just giving them away.
 
varnyard said:
Well Chris, if you don't mind me saying this, and it matters little if you do. This reeks of fish, I am not even going to say at this point what I really think.

OK, you got busted making fake DLs, and you claim you took care of your past mistake. Did you get rich doing this? Where did a con making fake DLs come up with all this money to fund these new businesses? Do tell me this was not the cash collected in the TSE scam?

Also, tell me that this DL was one that was not forged by you?
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I have never seen the DL below and I have no idea who that is. Listen I'm not bullshitting on the things I've done wrong in the past, and of course admitting to it hurts my creditability as a person, which I have to accept. However I'm not beating around the bush or BS'ing on the issue, but it is not fair to make accusations and assumptions about some guy I've never even heard of.

My current personal finances had virtually nothing to do with the DL's I made long ago. They are the result of my many sucessful current business ventures. I only did it for about 2 months before I was caught, and on a side note I was never even officially arrested. I've never been to jail or seen a pair of handcuffs, although I was charged with a single felony offense for creating false government documentation.
 
rarepythons said:
First off, how does this have any relevance to selling snakes? I am looking to make a fast and hard buck, but in a legitimate way. I'm not scamming anyone, nor have I made any kind of attempt. I'm a wealthy man, but I'm always looking into new business ventures. The quote above was from a customer testimonial. The ONLY HETS I HAD FOR SALE ARE FROM JC AND CC, I DID NOT PRODUCE THEM, but I do have all the paperwork.
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It has EVERYTHING to do with selling anything.....your ethics and morals, or lack thereof, helps folks to make decisions as to whether or not to deal with you. Someone who is proudly boating of their assistance to someone growing illegal substances sdays a lot about your character, if the prior history of fraud and such doesn't say enough.

And I have to say.....whether or not you are who you claim to be, I won't do business with someone who deals in live animals simply to "make a fast and hard buck". They are living, breathing animals, not merchandise that can be stuck on a shelf.....and with 200 WC females, plus all of the babies you think you are expecting.....if you ain't in it because you love the animals, you have an even ruder awakening coming than when you find out that you've been getting fed full of BS by those who are telling you that you can get $20 apiece for CH baby Balls. :no01:
 
hhmoore said:
Different timing, different circumstances, I would have volunteered for the roadtrip to check the place out & verify the presence of the 200 gravid females.


(for what it's worth, I tried to go to TSE once upon a time...I was trying to purchase something, and put forth the idea of picking them up. I didn't get a response. When I contacted them a week later, the animals I had been interested in were all sold. Now, that is neither here nor there, if this Chris is who/what he says he is...but it would be a shame to have such an invitation extended, and nobody take him up on it. I think there are a lot of people that would like to know if he is on the up and up...then, he could crawl out from under the shadow of CJ/TSE to deal with the stigma of getting lumped with the likes of Joe Capone)
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Please come visit anytime! My shop is open 9-5 M-F, and if you want to stop by on the weekend call and I'll come open it up when you get to town. I would really like someone to visit and truly see my operation and at least vouch for everything going on.
 
rarepythons said:
I will have at least 6-8 babies each at minimum. These girls are huge. That is $60-80 each at rock bottom wholesale prices. Then the adult females are still in my collection, whether I sell them off or use them for my own project. Either way the adult females are worth at least $50 each just giving them away.
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That's ASSuming that they all hatch, and ASSuming they all will feed, and ASSuming that $6-$8 is what you'll get for them, and ASSuming that you can actually move that many babies.

Not to mention ASSuming that even half of those WC females will feed for you and survive.

Dealing in living things (besides magic muchrooms and such) is a lot different and riskier than dealing with inanimate objects. NOTHING ever goes exactly as planned.
 
Wondering what kind of quarantine procedures you have in place as well? With all of those WC coming in and all.
 
Wolfy-hound said:
If you are getting into the business big-time... by buying 200 gravid imports, then selling the babies(for not enough to pay for the females) and then selling the females, how are you "in the business"?
That's instant turn-around for no profit. Even at "top dollar" of $10 each for the hatchlings, with maintance, I don't think you're going to make a dime, much less enough to matter. Selling the adults, then what next? Buy more gravid imports? To lose money all over again?

Contacting people to get permission to use their pictures, and supposedly sell their snakes as a middleman, sets up a nice way to sell extra babies as hets. Being all new to the industry, and such a upstanding member of society, maybe the idea of selling 5-10 normal babies for each "het" just didn't occur to you?

All those pictures of morphs that aren't your pictures, with no caption stating that it wasn't your snake, or your picture, all that has already put you on the negative side of the equation. Add in the priors for fraud activities, and you should see how people will be just SLIGHTLY suspicious.
Proving your innocence in this on the BOI here would be a good idea. I'm not sure how you'd do that at this point, since IF you were totally innocent in every way, you'd have managed to do nearly every single red flag activity to paint yourself a scammer. Either you have the worst judgement/luck on the planet, or you were hoping to scam some people. Which was it?
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Obviously if I can't turn a profit with the gravids I am not going to bother with them again, but I feel confident I can make a very nice profit or I wouldn't have bothered. If I can't for some reason, well then that's my loss, but that's a far cry from scamming.

No I never had any intention of selling the normal babies as hets, and that is very accusatory. I wouldn't waste my time working so hard at this project and investing so much money to burn it up with a few bogus hets. I plan on being in this industry for a long time.

I was not innocent, and I used the pictures for morph descriptions without permission. Most I got from google images while doing a quick search for say 'ghost ball python'. I really screwed up there and thus I've pulled the whole site down until I can redo it with all my own snakes. I did NOT try to sell any snakes from anyone I did not have expressed permission from. The snakes I was selling that were provided from other vendors were all homozygous too so I wouldn't have to worry about the HET issue. Either way it was obviously a bad idea. I had no intention of scamming anyone, just trying to get too big too fast and apparently went about it the wrong way. To anyone I offended I truly apologize. I wouldn't be wasting my time on these forums for these responses if I didn't care. I want everything to be on the up and up and I'm doing my best to rectify and clarify whatever I can.
 
Cat_72 said:
Wondering what kind of quarantine procedures you have in place as well? With all of those WC coming in and all.
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Before the snakes went into their enclosures I checked them all closely for ticks, and most were covered with at least 10-40 ticks. After removing most of the large ones with tweezers, with the help of 2 other people, we wiped them down with frontline tick spray, while holding them and avoiding the face. After 5 minutes with the frontline one them we washed and rinsed them off with soapy water. We haven't found a tick on them since, except one that popped a few ticks when it laid eggs, which we retreated. Once the females lay their eggs we're also using prevent-a-mite spray in their enclosure.
 
rarepythons said:
Before the snakes went into their enclosures I checked them all closely for ticks, and most were covered with at least 10-40 ticks. After removing most of the large ones with tweezers, with the help of 2 other people, we wiped them down with frontline tick spray, while holding them and avoiding the face. After 5 minutes with the frontline one them we washed and rinsed them off with soapy water. We haven't found a tick on them since, except one that popped a few ticks when it laid eggs, which we retreated. Once the females lay their eggs we're also using prevent-a-mite spray in their enclosure.
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Uh, that's not quarantine.
 
Cat_72 said:
It has EVERYTHING to do with selling anything.....your ethics and morals, or lack thereof, helps folks to make decisions as to whether or not to deal with you. Someone who is proudly boating of their assistance to someone growing illegal substances sdays a lot about your character, if the prior history of fraud and such doesn't say enough.

And I have to say.....whether or not you are who you claim to be, I won't do business with someone who deals in live animals simply to "make a fast and hard buck". They are living, breathing animals, not merchandise that can be stuck on a shelf.....and with 200 WC females, plus all of the babies you think you are expecting.....if you ain't in it because you love the animals, you have an even ruder awakening coming than when you find out that you've been getting fed full of BS by those who are telling you that you can get $20 apiece for CH baby Balls. :no01:
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Regardless of if I'm looking to make money on them, they are still cared for extremely well. Are you a breeder? Are you looking to make a buck off your snakes? Do you sell them? Well then I'm sure like all breeders that consider it their source of income you may also be in it to make money. If not, then God bless, what is wrong with wanting to become a large breeder and make good money, while giving them the best of care?
 
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