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inquery: fybexotics

i hope you seen it for what is was not as something bad, i dont understand why everyone things that this ground shipping was such a horable idea. it saved me $30 dollars, and was quick .
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Vince,

Maybe now you understand why most people thought the shipping method you chose was not such a good idea. You didn't save one dime, and on top of that, it cost the life of two of the geckos already. Anyways, I hope you have better luck with the remining ones. You can currently find true CB african fat tail geckos for $20. They are not adults but at least their chances for survival increase exponentially.
 
i still belive that the ground shipping had no more of an effect on the geckos then if they where shipped airborn, i will post what the vet says.
 
Vince,

You obviously don't want to even listen about the shipping. Had the animals been shipped via Overnight Service they would have gone out that first night(Wednesday Night), and would have arrived by 10 am the next Morning (Thursday). Having to sit in the box for an additional 32 hours did have an effect on the animals. It is sad that you still can not see the problem with shipping animals ground.

And to your comment you made toward me last night yes it was a very snide and came across dis-respectful. Everyone that has posted has made the points that I would have tried to make as well so I won't say anything further about it.

W/C Fat Tails have a very High mortality rate. I imported 100 Adults last year and would not sell them until I felt they were doing well enough to live. Well The majority of them perished even with them being given the best care and treatment that they could get. Unfortunately W/C Fat Tails just do not fare well from the entire capture, packaging, and export process and then continue to not fare well when shipped again. They will look awesome, Fat, and Healthy and then just be dead the next day. Maybe you should have done a little more research on them prior to making a purchase of any of them and would know and have a better idea of what you were in store for.
 
sorry to say it but you are wrong about that shipping thing, no matter what way he shipped it would not have left wendesday night.

Unfortunately you are right about the WC fattails mortality rate. i wish i knew this b4 i bought them seems like you guys have all this info after the fact. i hope that your personal feelings toward me didnt make you hold back info that could of saved the lives of these two geckos. alright buddy, take care
 
ROB, that is exactly what I was

trying to explain in my earlier post. Insofar as the shipping is concerned, apparently Vince does not have the animals best interest at heart. I know of no one who would no want their shipment expedited as quickly as possible when dealing with something perishable.
 
knobtail, you fail to relise that the ground shippment made the package get here as fast if not faster then air . but thanks for the opinion
 
Vince,

It is you that fails to realize the ground shipping in no way made the package get there faster than overnight shipping. The package could have been dropped off at the Orlando area Fed-Ex office as late as 6pm being shipped express and it would have done out that night. Even if he did not make it in time to go out Wednesday night and it was shipped express you would have received it on Friday by 10 am and not after 6pm like you received them. How hard is that to understand? Had you not been so concerned with saving $30 on the shipping you would have received the animals faster, safer, and better. There is no reason to ever ship an animal Ground period.

Also, it is not mine nor anyone else's place to tell you not to purchase someone's animals that you are already negotiating on. You should be the one to research all the information on that species prior to deciding to make a purchase. This goes for any species and not just this species and deal. If you are interested in an animal, learn as much as you can about it prior to buying it and having it shipped. No one was clouded by your previous behavior and held back information. You asked for information on the seller and nothing about the animals. I know myself and most others feel that if someone is making a purchase they should already know the required information on that animal otherwise they ask about it.
 
I have been using UPS to ship snakes. Needless to say it is always overnight delivery. Snakes are bagged and boxes closed at 5:00 pm and I personally drop them at their depot at 5:45 pm (they close at 6). Delivery is guaranteed by 10:30 the next moning (unless it's in a rural area; then it will be by noon). Approximately18-20 hours in "transit". The animals are in their box what's only strictly necessary, not one hour more. If by any chance something happens and they can not be shipped that afternoon, they are removed from the box and the bags, and placed in their enclosure again until the next day. From what we heard those geckos spent 72 h in transit from Africa, right? I'm not sure how many days they were at the sellers place before shipped to Vince. Then they spent a minimum of 36 hours in a box before arriving to Vince's place. From the picture posted last it is also obvious they didn't have a lot of reserves (reason what their are named "fat-tail geckos"). It comes to no surprise that so far 40% of them died. Shipping played a big role in all this. Not just shipping within the US but the stress of shipping overseas .

Regards.
 
Actually a Fedex Express shipment would have gone out that night. Their ground shipments are sub-contracted out to a different company which runs on a different schedule. As Express shipments are their priority they will expediate a late shipment to satisfy their customer.

This type of behavior by both parties encourages those in other industries to look down on us. Saving a small amount on animals that are poorly researched ending in death is unneeded and sad. There are errors on both sides of this fence as the seller should have held to higher standards so his animals would get to the customer properly. While this may have cost him the initial sale, it would have kept him from having this transaction dragged through this spot light of attention.
 
rob no matter how many times you say it, you are still wrong about the shipping. it is clear these geckos have undergone a ton of stress, especialy the female that was gravid to the point where she laid an egg 10 hours after i got her here. ground shipping may be needless risk, but i thought it would be safer to keep them in florida and not have them routed up north with cold weather. and it took only 20 hours from send out to receiveing the package. what happend was he got there to late for ANY package to be sent out that day, and instead of takeing them home and going back the next day the package was left at the fedex store to be shipped out the next day.
 
Vince,

You are not listening. OK he should have taken the box home that night, unpacked them and re shipped them the next day. But if the animal had been shipped express they would have arrived to you no later than 10 am and not had to ride around for an additional 8 hours until being delivered to you that night. Ground shipments are not a priority and get delivered whenever they can. Express shipments have a guarantee commit time of 10 am. If Fed-Ex was open late enough for him to drop them off to the Fed-Ex personnel then they were still able to get an express package out. a good example from a number of years back. I used to ship via Fed-Ex and was shipping an 12 foot Colombian Breed Boa to Montana. I was in a vehicle accident on the way to the Fed-Ex office here locally. Well I did not arrive to the Office until almost 9pm that night. The main office was closed but the personnel there still accepted the package, shipped the package and my customer still had the snake by 10am the next morning.
 
i see your point, the fact that the road in a truck for 8 hours instead of sitting in a wearhouse for 8 hours could reduce stress on the animal, and the risk of it not being priorty could have ment these geckos may not have made it here in under 24 hours. thank goodness that was not the case here. you are placeing all of this on me when in fact if the seller just brought them home that night instead of leaveing them at fedex could of cut about 20 hours off of the time they where in a pillow case together inside a box. personaly when i ship i put them in the box right b4 i bring them to the ups store, and i leave about 30 min b4 the cut off.
 
Ok I will have to state this, just to be fair.

Lets ignore for a second that he decided to have them sent ground. We all agree this was a bad idea. This could be enough to "void" any guarantee he was given, and that is fine.

But I will have to say, 8 extra hours or not, I am going out on a limb here in saying this, thoose geckos were likely NOT going to survive anyway.

I have had many packages delayed one or more days, even when sending priority. Had the geckos been healthy enough, they would have made this trip.

However I go back tot he idea that he did knowingly buy "skinny" anyimals.

A bit of advice Vince, that a few people pointed out, Jerry in particular, but maybe not as nicely as I am about to put it.

Int the future, if your buying animals, and especially when your buying WILD CAUGHT ANIMALS, DO NOT BUY SKINNY ANIMALS. And if you do, dont be suprised when no one feels sorry for you, or like you were taken.

While I agree you WERE SENT BAD GECKOS plain and simple, seein as you bought B GRADE animals, Im not sure you have much recourse.

Sorry to say thats life man.

Mickey HInkle
The Lizard King Reptiles
 
there where not sold to me as b grade animals , i was told they where a little dehydrated due to being shipped from africa. and also told they where 100% heathy. i dont know what else to say, all the fattails i have seen for sale are WC if i found nice captive born ones i would have went that way. ill be paying a visit to the vet and see if these geckos are dieing from stress or something else
 
Florida only has one airport in the whole state? Why would they be sent WAYYYYY up north when the package would've been routed thru Florida.

Oh yeah , my bad , the ONE airport in the whole freakin state.Forgot about that. Dude , you bought WC , apparently no experience with WC but took the chance anyway and now you want what?Whoever decided / agreed on the ground shipping musta been having vaporlock of the brainpan. Both parties screwed the pooch on that one. And you waited how long to get to the vet?

I've read your last thread and this one and I'll go hungry and broke before I sell you anything.


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wow , did that make sence? what do u meen florida has one airport? and last time i sent a package ups over night, it went all the way to TN back to GA then to tallahasse florida im not just makeing it up, i was worried about the very low temps in those areas.
 
i got them on friday and today is sunday , and i have an opintment monday, dont try to imply i dont take care of my pets. it makes me laugh when u say you wont sell me anything like im beating down your door to buy some boas or something, come on man if you are going to reply please stick to the subject. your going off about this air port thing. who said anything about there only being one airport in florida ? maybe this is just the story with wild cought geckos, i had no idea this would go down like this, as far i knew i was getting heathy animals, we will see what the vet says. its only been 3 days since reciveing the geckos and i 2 have died, they are going to the vet on the 4th day , but thanks for chiming in with you post , it really helped me out, funny how everyone has something to say but arent really saying nothing at all, everyone jumps on what they see fit, yet only one person has replyed to the post i made asking for some tips on careing for these guys. please dont let your personal feelings effect you to the point where you would withhold info that may save the lives of these geckos. i dont care what you think of me . just help out if you know anything. I read some place that you should give them drinking water suplemented with electrolites. they sell a speciel bottled water like this at the supermarket , is this a good idea for aiding in re hydration? are there any thing special i can use to stimulate feeding? put your grudges aside and give me some help.
 
Vince,

Make sure the temperatures are adequate. You can rehydrate and provide electrolytes to your geckos with Gatorade, Pedialyte and/or a lactated Ringer's Solution with 2.5% dextrose (you could ask the vet for some). You will have to dose it with a syringe with plastic tip (usually stores like Pet-co or Petsmart carry them). Do not exceed 2% of the gecko's total body weight.

Although they might be dehydrated, what the picture of the dead one suggests is they are undernourished, with very little fat depots in their tails. First thing to do is have your veterinarian do a fecal analysis to determine which kind of parasites might be present. You need to have them start eating asap.
 
Vince

I will start agaig by saying I am not a vet or a expert.

If it were me, and they were my animals, this is what I would have done, or would do.

Give them bottled water (tap water often has chlorine, or other contaminents) with electrolites. The stuff at the store should be fine, just avoid any dies or flavoring if possible (but gatorade will also work in a pinch). You can also get electrolites at the store you can add to water yourself , I think its generally found near baby food/supplies.

Make sure they have hide spots, and proper temps, and then get the fecal run.

Im betting they have parisites, and are likely have a rough time of dealing with them due to all the stresses involved with the shipping it has been through (from the wild to your door, not just eh extra 8 hours).

Sadly it sounds like your fighting a downhill battle. If I had a "magic solutions" I would give it to you. Im sure everyone else here would also. The truth of the matter is, quite often when herps are that far gone there is not much you can do for them, let alone suggest others to do when you do not have them in your care, or cannot see what is or has been done for them. Its like throwing darts.

While I can understand your thinking everyone here is against you, and its true many people are not fond of you, I think its a bit harsh to assume any of us would dileberately avoid giveing you any help we thought we could to help with the animals. Just not much else to say, we are beating a dead horse so to speak.

Mickey Hinkle
The Lizard King Reptiles
 
hey thanks a lot, i have been feeding them crickets gut loaded w/ cat food for extra fat. unless i was misunderstand what you where saying i dont belive i have to forcavely hydrate the geckos , the 3 that are left are drinking on there own. thanks for the tips. the sugar in gator aid may help put some weight on them as well, that sounds like a great idea. thanks a lot
 
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