Inquiry: MKR: Morph King Reptiles

[varnyard]

I wanted to post this sooner. But due to the fact we were both Moderators on the same site, it would have shown a lack of class for me to have a conflict with another mod on a open forum. But due to me no longer holding that position on that site, I am free to voice my opinion about them now.

Jon, I will try to answer your question. It would seem to me if they did produce all of the morphs that they claim in the video (That I will also say, showed a very big lack of class at best). Then why would they be looking to to buy more? Unless they did not produce all of them that they claim. Funny thing is, they dropped the price on these snakes they do not have. What a joke!! JMHO.

 

[ravensgait]

Guys unless I missed something the kid didn't provide any proof the animal was miss represented, well other than a few other people talking out their butts and saying THEY JUST KNOW, and when offered a refund he refused. So here again as in another thread that is currently active IE where's some proof???? Joe from MKR comes off as a major ass no doubt about that but ya still need to post some proof here. Randy

 

[joepythons]

truth

I wanted to post this sooner. But due to the fact we were both Moderators on the same site, it would have shown a lack of class for me to have a conflict with another mod on a open forum. But due to me no longer holding that position on that site, I am free to voice my opinion about them now.

Jon, I will try to answer your question. It would seem to me if they did produce all of the morphs that they claim in the video (That I will also say, showed a very big lack of class at best). Then why would they be looking to to buy more? Unless they did not produce all of them that they claim. Funny thing is, they dropped the price on these snakes they do not have. What a joke!! JMHO.

Bobby,i am sure everyone will understand your reason for not posting this info before now.I am glad you decided to not associate yourself on that site any longer.I do find it weird though that MKR is not welcome on any other site,though they were welcomed with open arms on the Reptile auctions forum.To make things even more weird Wes is a moderator .I guess he can delete anything posted their telling everyone the truth about him and Joe .

 

[joepythons]

not true

Guys unless I missed something the kid didn't provide any proof the animal was miss represented, well other than a few other people talking out their butts and saying THEY JUST KNOW, and when offered a refund he refused. So here again as in another thread that is currently active IE where's some proof???? Joe from MKR comes off as a major ass no doubt about that but ya still need to post some proof here. Randy

Randy, where did you read that Andre refused a refund? He is at this time trying to find someone whom is certified and able to help him send that snake back to MKR.He is going to contact someone today and ask him if he will ship the snake,this was as of last night by the way.As far as the snake not being what Joe told Andre it was the proof is on MKRs website.Unless they removed it of course.How much more proof do you need to show Joe and Wes are just point blank SCUM?

 

[varnyard]

Bobby,i am sure everyone will understand your reason for not posting this info before now.I am glad you decided to not associate yourself on that site any longer.I do find it weird though that MKR is not welcome on any other site,though they were welcomed with open arms on the Reptile auctions forum.To make things even more weird Wes is a moderator .I guess he can delete anything posted their telling everyone the truth about him and Joe .

That has/is happening there. They are also banning any members they see as a conflict.

I wold also urge breeders to treat this like the old drug saying and JUST SAY NO !! I have been getting PMs that also tell the same story about them trying to buy morphs.

I want to break this down for any breeder, if you are thinking about selling you morphs to them. Then you need to watch that video again. Look at it real close and tell me they would not be the type to bite you in the bread basket if given the chance. Would you want to support that type? I think not.

They wanted to play this cut throat game, now what is going to happen if they are the only ones playing?

I would also state, I would not buy a snake from them, even if they were solid gold and the price was free including the shipping. Keep it in the back of your mind. Used car dealers want to sell you that lemon, they will tell you anything to get it done. Look at the young mans story on that other site, if that is not a used car dealer spiel, than I am MC Hammer . Also remember all of the people that paid them high dollars for these snakes last year, only to have the rug snatched out this year (Don't think they did not know they were going to drop the bottom out on the prices). These snakes are worth half or less of the price they gave then. If you buy one from them this season, or if you intend to breed them. Do not think they will not play that game with you as well. Look at the video, it is all in there . This is just my honest opinion. I will also tell you that I am not a breeder of ball pythons, just someone on the outside looking in.

 

[ravensgait]

Joe your right he at first said he didn't want to because the animal was big enough to breed ETC but now seems to want to return it just can't figure out how because he's not certified with FedEx.. Should just ship it on MKRs account I would hope they are certified. Randy

 

[jnjreptile]

This whole thread is nothing but hearsay. You are taking the "word of a 14 year old kid" over a established professional reptile breeder. I can personally say that Joe and Wes are 2 the best people we have dealt with, and are always upfront and honest with us. Judging by the fact they have donated male pastels and such to schools , I highly doubt they would screw a kid over.
I will call Joe and tell him about the thread so he can explain what really happend and hear his side of this story.

J&J REPTILES
[email protected]
www.jnjreptiles.com

 

[joepythons]

sad

That has/is happening there. They are also banning any members they see as a conflict.

I wold also urge breeders to treat this like the old drug saying and JUST SAY NO !! I have been getting PMs that also tell the same story about them trying to buy morphs.

I want to break this down for any breeder, if you are thinking about selling you morphs to them. Then you need to watch that video again. Look at it real close and tell me they would not be the type to bite you in the bread basket if given the chance. Would you want to support that type? I think not.

They wanted to play this cut throat game, now what is going to happen if they are the only ones playing?

I would also state, I would not buy a snake from them, even if they were solid gold and the price was free including the shipping. Keep it in the back of your mind. Used car dealers want to sell you that lemon, they will tell you anything to get it done. Look at the young mans story on that other site, if that is not a used car dealer spiel, than I am MC Hammer . Also remember all of the people that paid them high dollars for these snakes last year, only to have the rug snatched out this year (Don't think they did not know they were going to drop the bottom out on the prices). These snakes are worth half or less of the price they gave then. If you buy one from them this season, or if you intend to breed them. Do not think they will not play that game with you as well. Look at the video, it is all in there . This is just my honest opinion. I will also tell you that I am not a breeder of ball pythons, just someone on the outside looking in.

Bobby,i was not aware that they were actually banning people and such on that forum,i was just making a wise crack.Now with this going on with the forums on reptile auction and add the thread of boycotting the actual auction for allowing proving scamers to sell on their that site is sinking day by day.

 

[joepythons]

huh?

This whole thread is nothing but hearsay. You are taking the "word of a 14 year old kid" over a established professional reptile breeder. I can personally say that Joe and Wes are 2 the best people we have dealt with, and are always upfront and honest with us. Judging by the fact they have donated male pastels and such to schools , I highly doubt they would screw a kid over.
I will call Joe and tell him about the thread so he can explain what really happend and hear his side of this story.

J&J REPTILES
[email protected]
www.jnjreptiles.com

Wow you must be the only one left in this whole world that thinks Joe & Wes are good guys .Now please tell how are you related to them ? Whoopee they donated snakes to schools .I gave away a corn snake to help a reptile rescue in Mexico that had allot of there reptiles killed by kids,does this make me a God .Please call them it would be great to hear the bullcrap Joe puts out of his mouth everytime he opens it .I will be surprised if they even respond,just in case everyone get out your coal shovels!

 

[joepythons]

snake

Joe your right he at first said he didn't want to because the animal was big enough to breed ETC but now seems to want to return it just can't figure out how because he's not certified with FedEx.. Should just ship it on MKRs account I would hope they are certified. Randy

Well after a few of us spoke to Andre we convinced him it would be best to be done with them alltogether.I told him i would not be shocked if that snake was not even a true het albino.Randy i apologize for my last sentence where i asked you how much more proof do you need.I hope you understand.

 

[jnjreptile]

Wow you must be the only one left in this whole world that thinks Joe & Wes are good guys .Now please tell how are you related to them ? Whoopee they donated snakes to schools .I gave away a corn snake to help a reptile rescue in Mexico that had allot of there reptiles killed by kids,does this make me a God .Please call them it would be great to hear the bullcrap Joe puts out of his mouth everytime he opens it .I will be surprised if they even respond,just in case everyone get out your coal shovels!

We are stating from our personal experience that MKR. has been nothing but exceptional when we have dealt with them. We have no relationship with them personal or business. We have become friends in the process of our business transactions , that is it. If you have not dealt with them yourself then you have no room to talk. Like I said I will notify Joe about the "thread from hell" starting up again.
We are done on this thread we have said what we need to say, now we are going to go sell some snakes.

J&J REPTILES
sales@jnjreptiles
www.jnjreptiles.com

 

[albinoballpythons]

Alright, I am that "14 year old kid". Isnt it illegal to ship on their account? They also shipped him to me via UPS.

-Andre Gennaro

 

[jglass38]

We are stating from our personal experience that MKR. has been nothing but exceptional when we have dealt with them. We have no relationship with them personal or business. We have become friends in the process of our business transactions , that is it. If you have not dealt with them yourself then you have no room to talk. Like I said I will notify Joe about the "thread from hell" starting up again.
We are done on this thread we have said what we need to say, now we are going to go sell some snakes.

J&J REPTILES
sales@jnjreptiles
www.jnjreptiles.com

You say that you are stating from PERSONAL experience and that you have dealt with them (indicating a business transaction) yet you have no relationship with them, personal or business? What exactly are you talking about?

Joe and Wes have had multiple chances to answer legitimate questions posed to them about their business practices. All we get is double talk and no real answers. So why don't you call your friends and ask them to answer some questions.

 

[joepythons]

true

We are stating from our personal experience that MKR. has been nothing but exceptional when we have dealt with them. We have no relationship with them personal or business. We have become friends in the process of our business transactions , that is it. If you have not dealt with them yourself then you have no room to talk. Like I said I will notify Joe about the "thread from hell" starting up again.
We are done on this thread we have said what we need to say, now we are going to go sell some snakes.

J&J REPTILES
sales@jnjreptiles
www.jnjreptiles.com

I bet by you posting here that you feel Joe & Wes are good people,just added you to allot of lists of who not to buy from .You are correct of me not dealing with MKR,my reason is simple.I do not buy anything from low life's who threatening to put others out of business just because they hurt Joe and Wes feelings! I will tell you another thing if MKR & TSE were the only breeders in this whole world i would buy from TSE before i would MKR .Of course this is only an example .The crazy thing is everyone said Chris Johnson was the lowest on the scum scale,MKR has now taken that spot .

 

[liquidleaf]

Also, JnJ - please don't say "are you going to take the word of a 14 year old kid over..." - come on. A dissatisfied customer is a dissatisfied customer. And ANY 'reputable' business can go down the crapper, FAST (LOOK at TSE!)...

I'm glad you have had a good experience. Posting your experience is definitely appreciated and will do nothing but help MKR, but trying to downplay someone else's bad experience just because YOURS was good is in bad taste, IMO, and doesn't help MKR.

You DO have a business and now personal relationship with MKR, especially if you are now "friends through our business dealings".

I'm not jumping down your throat, but a dissatisfied customer is a dissatisfied customer, regardless of age. MKR sold to him so they now have to deal with the fact that he is a "kid". Yes, some kids are irresponsible, but that is no reason to not listen to what is going on here. If MKR was very professional and upstanding with you, hopefully they will continue to be professional and make this situation right.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Joe H.
To each his own, and I think the majority of the Fauna community finds this thread one giant bore. However, that is not to question the passion of those who keep it going. But with regard to the following:

The crazy thing is everyone said Chris Johnson was the lowest on the scum scale,MKR has now taken that spot

Since you enjoy this smilie so much, this one's for you ....

 

[Bill & Amy]

Alright, I am that "14 year old kid". Isnt it illegal to ship on their account? They also shipped him to me via UPS.

-Andre Gennaro

Correct Andre, you would get in trouble for shipping on their account, because you are not the one who got certified. Just find someone to ship back to them for you. If you lived closer to Iowa, I would be happy to do it for you.

 

[Griz]

Bob, your failure to comprehend a few simple questions, thats what it was questions not a statement of fact. I wanted to hear joe capones side of the story. I already heard the fella who thought he was ripped off.

I did not post a link to thr BOI. because the way I understand it, links to the BOI will be deleted by Rich.

So should third party accusations. Did this transaction include you or in any way pertain to you Ed? If not, back off and let the person involved (or his parents) deal with it. Frankly, it is none of your business and smacks of cyber-stalking.

Could not have said it better Jim.

Griz

 

[jglass38]

I think the majority of the Fauna community finds this thread one giant bore. However, that is not to question the passion of those who keep it going.

You do, huh? Well I guess for you its not a big deal since you don't breed Ball Pythons and they are not trying to kill your future in the market. Maybe they'll get into Chameleons next and we can watch you change your tune. I would be hesitant speaking for anyone other than yourself.

 

[Chameleon Company]

If Andre had the permission from MKR to use their UPS account, it is completely legal and an acceptable practice. In fact, even if we were talking a Delta account, with MKR as a "known shipper" and certified, Andre could legally use that account as well. He would have to list MKR as the shipper and receiver in such a case. It is quite legal, and I have been engaged in many such specific shipment instances with UPS, DHL, and Delta.