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Inquiry: MKR: Morph King Reptiles

Well, is that not the best news. Wes H., you done the right thing. They say birds of a feather flock together, I knew you would not flock long with the likes of these scammers.

As for me, that is proof positive about Joe and his scamming girlfriend. Anyone need a used bicycle? I hear Joe is under selling everyone else on them. Please keep in mind, he does not have them yet, but they are for sale cheap :rolleyes: .
 
All I have to say is that it was bound to happen... Now we must see what else will pop up, who pairs up with whom, who redeems themselves, etc...
 
Just curious ..

...... who pairs up with whom, who redeems themselves, etc...
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Outside of one entity who bit every hand that tried to feed him, and for whom I believe there is no pity, since redemption is now to be looked for, who else has sinned here ? Penance anyone ? Or is this just an extension of guilt by association ? Disagree with Joe ..... love him or hate him etc .... saying that the community will evaluate "who pairs up with whom" IMO suggests that there is more of a "national enquirer" component to the conversation than a legitimate one regarding the purpose of this forum.

Whatever the specifics of the partnership between Wes and Joe, it has legal/monetary components. Thus the litigation, and Wes' decision to publicly announce it. Many other things that have been observed are highly likely to have involved money, ownership, contracts, etc. It would seem that some entities have now found themselves tarnished by this association, and as in Wes' situation, will require a financial and/or legal undoing. It is not a matter of redemption IMO. Again using Wes as an example, but I think it a safe bet that whenever he began the association, he did not anticipate needing litigation to undo it.
 
Schlyne said:
Isn't Steve the person that was supposed to be their tech support/office person?
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Hm......I don't remember, lol. I tried looking back in this thread a bit to see, but didn't find it. :shrug01:
 
Yes, Steve is Wes' office help. Wes is a decent guy, and I wish him all of the best on his own. He simply got himself into a "too good to be true" situation with someone promising him the moon, with the dollars to make his breeding dreams come true.
 
regarding Steve, I recall reading some thing about a broom...and an ass....

AH YES!

Jim O said:
I was beginning to wonder of they put the broom in his ass so that he can sweep the floor while he walks around. And all for free. What a deal!
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Steve is a local friend of Wes's. He is a newbie to reptiles. I hear he is a stand up guy.

For the record, I have nothing at all against Wes. I think he did the right thing By kicking the trash to the curb. As long as Joe is not in the picture, my attacks will now cease in reference to MKR. I never had a thing against MKR, except for Jowls, I mean Joe.

Do forgive me for the typo, I forgot to do the spell check. :shrug01:
 
JunglePaul said:
Yes, Steve is Wes' office help. Wes is a decent guy, and I wish him all of the best on his own. He simply got himself into a "too good to be true" situation with someone promising him the moon, with the dollars to make his breeding dreams come true.
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There are lots of people out there that would have taken that position, I bet, without previous knowledge of Joe and his doings. It's unfortunate.

C'est La' Vie.
 
LadyOhh said:
There are lots of people out there that would have taken that position, I bet, without previous knowledge of Joe and his doings. It's unfortunate.

C'est La' Vie.
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You hit the nail on the head, Heather.
 
LadyOhh said:
There are lots of people out there that would have taken that position, I bet, without previous knowledge of Joe and his doings. It's unfortunate.

C'est La' Vie.
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Excellent point, Heather. I can honestly say, imagining myself in that position, I think I may have ended up in the same boat as Wes.....

If all is just as it appears, I applaud Wes's decision as well. Again, from my conversations with Wes, he seemed to truly have a love and enthusiasm for the animals he worked with, and I look forward to seeing how he progresses.

In the meantime, I don't think I will be in the market for a used car anytime soon. :rofl:
 
I don't know, the more I read on this subject on different forums, the more
I've been detecting the attitude that 'well it's a good thing that Wes is
getting rid of Joe, because Wes is really a good guy' Is Wes REALLY a good guy?
I had a deal with MKR a number of years ago. I posted my experience on RDR's
forum, I've copied it here because I don't want to do all that typing again.
The following is my PERSONAL experience, not hearsay.


A little over 3 years ago in the Winter of '02 when Joe and Wes were
just getting their business together. I responded to an ad to see
what kind of a price I could get on a male pastel. I talked to Joe
and discussed prices for a while and we came up with a price that
I thought was a really good deal. Joe then got me in touch with Wes
to complete the order. I paid a couple hundred dollars with the balance
due when they produced and were ready to ship the snake. I was putting
down a deposit on a snake that hadn't been produced yet. Well, several
months went by and I never heard another word from either of them.
Sometime in the spring of '03 I started calling Wes regularily to check
up on my snake. He's a very outgoing and friendly person so he was real
easy to talk to. One time I'd call him up and he'd tell me that breeding
was going well and he'd go into a lot of detail about all of his old
females that he had had for many years as imports from africa and how
his male pastel was a super breeder that was breeding everything in sight.
The next time I would call him he'd be saying that he was getting lots
and lots of eggs and how this was going to be a banner year for pastels.
He always went into a great deal of detail during these converstaions,
a lot of our converstaions went over an hour. The next time I'd call
he'd be telling me how they had lots of pastels hatching everyday and
how they had already picked out mine and were just waiting for it to
shed and feed. So I sent the balance of the money I owed them for the
snake and waited for shipping details.

Sometime during that time in the summer of '03 I was in Ralphs chat
room one night talking to Damien Wyatt. I was telling Wyatt about
my upcoming shipment from Morph king and I was frustrated that it
was taking so long. He told me that he had just sold several pastels
to Morph King himself, I believe it was even a couple of clutches worth.
He posted some pics of the clutches he hatched which all looked very
nice and we agreed (in kind of a joking way) that wouldn't it be ironic
if I actually got one of the pastels that Wyatt produced?

I called Wes a couple more times after that and he assured me that
they would ship as soon as they got the snake feeding and that I'd
be very happy with my purchase. Well sometime in August of '03 I got
my snake, several MONTHS after I had sent the final payment. I WAS
very happy with it. It was a beautiful animal with lots of blushing.
So I took a picture of it and posted it on Kingsnake. Shortly after
that Wyatt posted another pic saying that his snake looked similar.
IT WAS THE EXACT SAME SNAKE. One that HE had hatched and sold to
Morph King. At this point I was feeling rather confused and betrayed,
here was this guy that I had been talking to for months and feeling
really confident that I was getting a great snake from good strong
bloodlines that they had produced themselves. And then finding out
that he's jobbing me a snake produced by another breeder? I was pretty
angry about it at the time, I felt like I had been played for a fool.
Wes DID call me up and apologize when he saw the thread on KS, He gave
me some story about the lables getting mixed up, which I suppose could
happen. And it was good of him to call and apologize like that, but
I've always just felt 'funny' about it ever since.

Maybe I'm being too harsh, after all I did get a good snake at a great
price even if they didn't produce it themselves, as Ralphs has pointed
out before, a lot of breeders are also jobbers. What do you think happens
to all those trade deals that people set up? This year that snake helped
me produce 17 pastels of my own. But the whole deal just left me feeling
kind of funny and I've never bought anything from them since.
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In my whole deal with them, I spoke to Joe for less then a couple of minutes
while I was on the phone with Wes for hours. So YOU TELL ME, Did Wes just make a mistake?
or did he get caught in a lie? Frankly, while I would prefer to buy direct from the
breeder, I don't mind purchasing an animal produced by someone else. I've done it
many times and will probably do it many more. But I DO expect people to be straight
with me about where the animal came from. I know there have been many accusations
that they have been buying up animals from other breeders and selling them as
their own. My experience is proof that they have done it at least once before.
 
Great post Mark and I am sure it's true that this does happen but at least the breeder should let you know that they aren't his animals. And if there was a 'mixup'...too bad you didn't get a lesser at the time by 'mistake' instead of getting someone elses pastel...
 
OK, I have a problem with the latest info. Seems MKR/Wes, Joe or both are now wanting to give refunds for all of the orders/collected funds. They did not have these animals when they took these orders/collected money. They also dropped the price down dirt cheap on these morphs ( I might add, on animals they never had), then tried to buy some to fill orders.

Now in light of this, IMO, looks like very bad business at best. Does anyone else see a problem with this kind of business, or is it just me? Looks like the work of a used car dealer, or should I say, a very dirty used car dealer! :angry:

That is what we call very dirty pool where I am from. :NoNo:

What class, sounds like someone that would date a ex porn/ convict/ scammer!! :rolleyes:

Wes, you are more than welcome to come tell your side of the story. But I think I pretty well summed it up, correct?
 
So you are saying Morph king "tanked" the Mojave market by advertising for sale animals that they did not posess?
Then they went shopping for the animals whose value is now reduced due to their actions?
Would they take deposits on $2500 animals...then a few months later advertise/sell them for $800 so they can buy them wholesale for $600 to fill the $2500 orders? Crazy B:censored: S!
 
That is exactly what I am saying.

I talked to Wes via phone call. He said what they done was not illegal, he also said it was all Joe's idea, and this might be so. But morally, what can be said? :rolleyes:

IMO, Wes knew what was going on, and thus just as guilty as his ex partner/partner.

BTW, it was not just Mojaves. I was told by Wes they only have about 200 snakes total. I might also add these are not all breeders or close to breeding age. The way he talked, Joe sold a bunch of his adult breeders in the beginning. He is now stuck with mostly young hets.
 
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varnyard said:
That is exactly what I am saying.

I talked to Wes via phone call. He said what they done was not illegal, he also said it was all Joe's idea, and this might be so. But morally, what can be said? :rolleyes:

IMO, Wes knew what was going on, and thus just as guilty as his ex partner/partner.

BTW, it was not just Mojaves. I was told by Wes they only have about 200 snakes total. I might also add these are not all breeders or close to breeding age. The way he talked, Joe sold a bunch of his adult breeders in the beginning. He is now stuck with mostly young hets.
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It might not be illegal in the eyes of the law but its defiantly something the reptile world will never forget :angry: :angry: .Bobby just like i told you the last time we talked Wes is just as guilty as Joe.I wonder when the divorce is finalized between these two :rolleyes: :rofl: .I bet its yet another lie from there mouths :rolleyes: .
 
You know, that truly saddens me....although it almost doesn't surprise me. I knew they were scrambling to buy animals to cover their orders, but I didn't think it was all as premeditated as you have it laid out here, Bobby. It's really a shame, I do believe Wes started in this for all of the right reasons.....too bad greed got the best of him too. :nonod:
 
There are 3 sides to every story.
There are 3 sides to every story about that story.
There are 3 sides to every rumor about that story.
There are 3 sides to every opinion about that story.
There are 3 sides to every opinion about that rumor.
There are 3 sides to every opinion about that opinion.

That's a whole lotta sides to one story.
Why don't we let the final outcome happen before any crucifixion is done rather than speculate based on opinions?

Ya know, it's a legal thing, this dissolving of a business. For those arrogant enough to think you know all the facts, get a clue. For those that really MIGHT know the facts, keep quiet about it. It's not your place to divulge what may or may not be truth.

For those eager to judge based on hearsay and the opinions of others, see above.
 
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