Inquiry: MKR: Morph King Reptiles

[Cat_72]

There are 3 sides to every story.
There are 3 sides to every story about that story.
There are 3 sides to every rumor about that story.
There are 3 sides to every opinion about that story.
There are 3 sides to every opinion about that rumor.
There are 3 sides to every opinion about that opinion.

That's a whole lotta sides to one story.
Why don't we let the final outcome happen before any crucifixion is done rather than speculate based on opinions?

Ya know, it's a legal thing, this dissolving of a business. For those arrogant enough to think you know all the facts, get a clue. For those that really MIGHT know the facts, keep quiet about it. It's not your place to divulge what may or may not be truth.

For those eager to judge based on hearsay and the opinions of others, see above.

And it is your place to tell everyone else where their place is? I think not.

 

[SteveHiss]

MKR = Flesh Peddlers

So which obe is dating the ex porn actress? Hopefully not Wes.

 

[SoulSmilen]

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Originally Posted by SoulSmilen
There are 3 sides to every story.
There are 3 sides to every story about that story.
There are 3 sides to every rumor about that story.
There are 3 sides to every opinion about that story.
There are 3 sides to every opinion about that rumor.
There are 3 sides to every opinion about that opinion.

That's a whole lotta sides to one story.
Why don't we let the final outcome happen before any crucifixion is done rather than speculate based on opinions?

Ya know, it's a legal thing, this dissolving of a business. For those arrogant enough to think you know all the facts, get a clue. For those that really MIGHT know the facts, keep quiet about it. It's not your place to divulge what may or may not be truth.

For those eager to judge based on hearsay and the opinions of others, see above.



And it is your place to tell everyone else where their place is? I think not.

Nope, it's not my place, it's common sense, no eyeroll necessary; reference the "Ya know, it's a legal thing, this dissolving of a business."



There is one person on the boards I tend to disagree with quite a bit, though not openly or publicly. Have to say, though, he has posted 2 of the best posts in this thread. It might do everyone some good to reread them...

Starting to look bad ? The list of what amounts to BS here is already off the page. Once again a textbook example of people's reputations and livelihoods attempting to be trashed by innuendo and incriminating opinions being passed as foregone conclusions and fact. What has disappointed me the most is that, typical of the BOI, matters of opinion, where there certainly is not anything close to unanymity, if even a clear majority, has decided that they have some moral obligation to save the reptile world as they see it. Its not enough that they adjust their own actions accordingly, but they must also pursue a course of action designed to diminish, if not harm, others. I know guys, its "for the greater good". What a crock.

FYI Randy, a few of us have backed MKR's actions. Joe's personality is irrelevent to many of us. A few here have taken strong positions based on "matters of principle". As in the quote in my signature, seems once again a few in the BOI have confused differences in opinion as being flaws in the principle of the other guy. Some even made it sound like they were choosing to almost be martyrs for "principle". Well ...... knock yourselves out.

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...... who pairs up with whom, who redeems themselves, etc...

Outside of one entity who bit every hand that tried to feed him, and for whom I believe there is no pity, since redemption is now to be looked for, who else has sinned here ? Penance anyone ? Or is this just an extension of guilt by association ? Disagree with Joe ..... love him or hate him etc .... saying that the community will evaluate "who pairs up with whom" IMO suggests that there is more of a "national enquirer" component to the conversation than a legitimate one regarding the purpose of this forum.

Whatever the specifics of the partnership between Wes and Joe, it has legal/monetary components. Thus the litigation, and Wes' decision to publicly announce it. Many other things that have been observed are highly likely to have involved money, ownership, contracts, etc. It would seem that some entities have now found themselves tarnished by this association, and as in Wes' situation, will require a financial and/or legal undoing. It is not a matter of redemption IMO. Again using Wes as an example, but I think it a safe bet that whenever he began the association, he did not anticipate needing litigation to undo it.

 

[varnyard]

Denise AKA SoulSmilen, I take it you are still a moderator for Joe C's site?

I will also add, it was not hearsay, I heard it right from Wes's mouth. Maybe it is you that needs to go back and reread. Wes is the one that told me this, ask him yourself. Then you can come back in here and act like it did not happen. Or you can try to cast doubts, as for me I heard it from his own lips on my phone. IMO that is more than enough proof.

As for your statement:

SoulSmilen: For those that really MIGHT know the facts, keep quiet about it. It's not your place to divulge what may or may not be truth.

You are wrong!!! I will state the facts, regardless of your opinion on this. I will not knowingly let scammers run a muck. Sorry, but it is not going to happen. IMO, that is exactly what it was, or was it just one hell of a lie. you tell me. Either way, the truth needs to be told. There has been way to much covered up already. IMO, it is time to do some digging.

 

[Wilomn]

Bobby, you may just want to cool out a tad.

She's NEVER been a mod for joey capone and I know by having heard it from her that she is not overly fond of him.

Dig away by all means but don't throw the dirt on those who don't deserve it in your zeal.

 

[SoulSmilen]

Denise AKA SoulSmilen, I take it you are still a moderator for Joe C's site?

I will also add, it was not hearsay, I heard it right from Wes's mouth. Maybe it is you that needs to go back and reread. Wes is the one that told me this, ask him yourself. Then you can come back in here and act like it did not happen. Or you can try to cast doubts, as for me I heard it from his own lips on my phone. IMO that is more than enough proof.

As for your statement:


You are wrong!!! I will state the facts, regardless of your opinion on this. I will not knowingly let scammers run a muck. Sorry, but it is not going to happen. IMO, that is exactly what it was, or was it just one hell of a lie. you tell me. Either way, the truth needs to be told. There has been way to much covered up already. IMO, it is time to do some digging.

Moderator for his site??? No clue what you're talking about; since when did MKR have boards?

IMO, Wes knew what was going on, and thus just as guilty as his ex partner/partner.

Looks like it was your opinion Wes knew what was going on, not facts. In your own words, that is. So it's not truth, it is more speculation.

 

[varnyard]

Wes, I guess I was wrong. I thought she was a moderator at repti-chat, this is part of the site that Joe claims is his.

 

[SoulSmilen]

Wes, I guess I was wrong. I thought she was a moderator at repti-chat, this is part of the site that Joe claims is his.

Geez, talk about grasping. I am not active on the forums there, so dig all you want. And you said it yourself, CLAIMS. More hearsay, but you're willing to try and tie me to him based on a CLAIM. LOL

This is utterly amusing now.

 

[varnyard]

SoulSmilen: Looks like it was your opinion Wes knew what was going on, not facts. In your own words, that is. So it's not truth, it is more speculation.

So, I take it you did not see the video that Wes was a part of? It clearly stated the thousands of morphs they claimed to have. Sorry, but there is no speculation needed there. That video is proof positive!!

Or is it that that video was not enough proof? I think one of the two men on the video that claimed all of these same lies was Wes, correct?

And now he tells a different story. What do we call this? A good guy, I think not!!

 

[Wilomn]

Bobby, I am also a mod on reptichat which is affiliated with reptiforums.

Neither of us, Soul nor I, are terribly active anywhere but the chat and that is because of the guy who Admins it, a friend of both of ours.

joey caponie made a lot of claims, told a lot of lies, led a lot of people astray.

Neither Soul nor I ever had anything to do with him.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Bobby et al,
Maybe a step back is in order. Outside of his Mother, has one person in this universe been identified who felt Joe was a savory individual ? Some may have taken sides with his business decisions to drop prices, but I also believe that all pointed out that as being a basic characteristic of their interpretation of capitalism and the free competitive market, not that Joe was swell. To impugn Wes, of MKR, as you have is a stretch, even if you spoke with him. He's between some sort of a rock and a hard place in this, and none of us know, and most don't think it worth the effort to speculate BTW, just exactly where his proximity is one way or the other. Unless Wes told you in the conversations "this is what it is, and you can quote me in the BOI", maybe he didn't intend the conclusions/assumptions drawn to be here as they are. Some "hearsay" has already been posted tonight as fact, and it was anything but. I have to admire the crusading spirit, but it seems like Miller time ! Grab a cold one .... matter of fact .... grab two.

 

[shrap]

He's between some sort of a rock and a hard place in this.... ... maybe he didn't intend the conclusions/assumptions drawn to be here as they are.....

You are talking out both sides of your here Jim. In this very same post that you are telling Bobby that he should not be making assumptions and what not, you sure made plenty of them yourself.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Hey, its "I have nothing to add" Sammy ! Good morning ... lets see how the quote looks without butchering it so badly, with the bold type being just one little bit that you left out Sammy says :

Originally Posted by Chameleon Company
He's between some sort of a rock and a hard place in this, and none of us know....... maybe he didn't intend the conclusions/assumptions drawn to be here as they are.....

You are talking out both sides of your here Jim. In this very same post that you are telling Bobby that he should not be making assumptions and what not, you sure made plenty of them yourself.

Didn't you say something in a post the other day about "others always trying to turn things into a pissing contest" Hey kettle, whaaasup

 

[Casey Hulse]

I agree with you Sammy, Jim never adds any substance anymore. If Jim did not have the "smilies" he would feel very alone.
Jim has been tooting on the wrong end of this horn since this thread started, calling people names, hurling insults etc..You are wrong Jim, grow up.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Guys,
If you are going to sprinkle when you tinkle like that,
Be a sweetie and wipe the seatie ....

For the ladies, of course

 

[doug-ferrin]

My Experience with MKR

Before the s... really hit the fan with Joe's postings here, I was making payments toward a male pied from MKR.

I finished paying when the controversy was really getting hot.

I worried both about the quality of the snake I was about to get, and about the fact that if I mentioned the snake came from MKR, people might not want to buy any hatchlings I might produce later.

But I received the snake in good condition on the day it was promised. He ate a mouse that same evening. After a couple weeks of mouse feeding, I tried him on a rat, and he ate with no problem, and has been eating and gaining weight steadily.

I am very happy with this snake. The price I paid was maybe a small amount below market, but not by much.

I bought him to breed to the Snake Keeper 100% het pied females and Casey Lazic 66% het pied females I have aquired this year.

I have no complaints about the snake I got from MKR, and will consider purchasing from MKR again in the future along with the others from whom I have purchased - VPI, Snake Keeper, Casey Lazic, etc.

Thank you,

Doug

 

[Cat_72]

Doug, I don't believe anyone has ever complained about the animals they received. It's the animal that was behind the lies at MKR (read:Joey) that people had complaints about.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Doug,
Thanks for the honest feedback here. It seems some want to judge MKR on everything BUT their product, and seem to recoil from and dismiss, as you expected, a post citing a positive interaction.

 

[shrap]

Jim,

Not about a pissing contest for me. Just pointing out your hypocrisy.

And YOU even "butchered" your own quote to try and hide from what you really said. That is truly priceless. Petty, but priceless. Some day Jim you might grow up and be the type of man who can simply admit when you are in the wrong about something.

He's between some sort of a rock and a hard place in this, and none of us know, and most don't think it worth the effort to speculate BTW, just exactly where his proximity is one way or the other.

 

[shrap]

Doug,
Thanks for the honest feedback here. It seems some want to judge MKR on everything BUT their product, and seem to recoil from and dismiss, as you expected, a post citing a positive interaction.

Just as some people want to only look at ONE aspect of MKR and not look at the entire operation as a whole.

I personally never gave a hoot what they sold their animals for. It is some of the other aspects that I did not find appealing.