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Inquiry on bearded pets?

what does the church gotta do with it?

All the prayers won't help you.

You bred a rare gecko species and didnt take pics? I breed lots of reptiles and I still take pics even if it is my leopard geckos.

If you didn't have a bunch of different names from a bunch of different places, using a bunch of borrowed (chokes chokes) pictures, and had some even tiny proof of what you claim it may help you.

But hey your in FL. correct? wow G looky here Me too. So how bout it wanna show a fellow nieghbor that you really are legit?

I could come over you could come here. What ya think?
 
You told me several times you would send me pics fo the Dracos, never did, I mean, I am very interested, and I would buy them in a heardbeat if you turn out ligit, now prove it, send me pics!!! Otherwise, why can't you see why we thinkyoua re a fraud, really, stealing people's pics, that is illegal, even if you state that they are their pics or not!
 
Long post, but complete!

Actually I haven’t commented because I spent the weekend with my girlfriend. It looks like I have a lot of responding to do so I guess I will start anywhere.

First, I have two e-mails. One is a [email protected] (a school related e-mail used for school purposes mostly), and a second e-mail [email protected] (used for all my reptile related e-mails). Neither of them are “false e-mails” because well they both work, and second I don’t consider two e-mails to be “many.” So you “many false e-mail” comment makes no sense.

Second, I am a smalltime reptile hobbyist so your comment that competitors are attacking you is ridiculous. This is a small hobby and it is important that people know the good guys from the bad guys. For this reason alone I felt obligated to post.

Third, lets attack the issue of my being fraudulent! I challenge you to quote a lie from me in regards to your business. I am going to sum up our e-mail transactions; you tell me if anything I say is incorrect.

You posted an ad for cb masobe, I inquire and asked for pictures. You send me a picture that was taken from Nathan halls website, and according to him that photo, along with many others, belongs to Jerry P. After finding this out I decided to see how much you were willing to lie about the photo being yours so I asked how old the animal was when the picture was taken and if I could keep the picture. You told me the gecko was half a year old when the picture was taken and that I could keep it but not to use it to sell animals. Ironic wouldn’t you say….

I then requested to see pictures of ONLY the actual CB geckos, giving you the benefit of that doubt that maybe, just maybe you sent me the wrong picture by mistake. You replied saying your camera was broken. I said I would wait for it to be fixed. Two days later I get 3 pictures. One didn’t work, but two did. Both animals were Cleary WC. One of them didn’t even have a tail. I e-mailed you back sayings that it is sad that you would try and pass off obviously wc animals as cb, and that I sincerely hope you change your business practices.

You responded saying that the 3rd pic that didn’t work was the picture of the CB masobe and that the other 2 pictures were of wc masobe (like I said), and that those were the parents. So again even with all these complications I said ok resend the 3rd picture, thinking lets give this one more shot. You sent the 3rd picture. Compare to the other 2 masobe in the previous pictures the pair of masboe in the 3rd pic looked good. I am not connived they were cb because their body look a bit thin and their colors were dull, not pitch black like the alert very healthy masobe I have seen in the past, but they had fat tails. So, even if they were wc I was willing to take a chance on them. You are asking the same price for the “cb” animals as others do for “wc,” so whatever, they were worth a shot in my mind, cb or not. It is only $200 and with animals of this track record there is a good chance they will die no matter whom I get them from.

So, I e-mailed you back saying I would take them. I was a bit concerned because I put down your business practices in my last e-mail. For good reason I don’t trust you, and was worried you might send me a different pair that was in really bad shape. So, I wanted to be on your goods side when you sent the animals. As a result in my reply I very nice and flattering, saying that I like the pair and that they were so much nicer then the parents. I even went on to say I was glad you have acted so professional even after all the complications, and that I said I would send out the money express mail.

How did you respond to this e-mail? You insulted me saying you would never promise a animal to someone again because I kept changing my mind about weather I wanted them or not. (If you had send the 3rd picture to me from day one none of this would have happened. YOU caused all the complications. It is not my fault you sent a pic that wasn’t yours, claimed it was yours, then had a broken camera, and then messed up again sending the pictures!) I was upset by this e-mail but held my tongue and only replied saying oh well it all worked out so although it took a while we didn’t waste our time. You replied and again threw an insult and said you would wait for the MO but wouldn’t hold your breath! All this after I called you professional for keeping your cool during the complications!

Anyways I have all the e-mails so I can verify every word I said! Lawsuit…lol….

After all that again, I propose my original challenge. Find one thing in I have said that isn’t true!

Oh and “Jon Trunk” exactly who are you? I see you think you have me all figure out, but from my record this is the first time we have “met.” Up to now I have been corresponding with an Elena Egidi!


Steve Hoch
 
Sorry I just noticed there are a few typos in my above post, but I think everyone gets the idea. If anyone needs any clarifications let me know.

I too also want to know why you haven’t tried to explain why you “Jon Trunk” are Florida; however, I was told by Elena Egidi to send the Money to Georgia! What’s going on here? I know you haven’t moved because you just found out about this website, as a result you must have made your profile in the last two weeks. You both claim to have the geckos, but if one is living in the northern portion of Georgia and the other is somewhere in Florida, how can this be possible. You are at the very least over 250 miles from each other!

I am also going to include a picture of the “cb” masobe. For all of those who have had a lot of experience with imported masobe lets here what you think.

Steve Hoch
 

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captive bred H. taylori

Now they are offering captive bred Hemitheconyx taylori . This is just sad.

There is absolutely no need for me to comment on the rude post made by Bearded Pets. My reputation speaks for itself. Your silly jabs were comical.
 
I think that P. masobe picture speaks for itself. Those are obviosly wild caught recent imports.

I just saw the ad for the H. taylori myself and I think it is just utter b.s. that they are trying to pass off wild caughts as cb. That is so dishonest, heck it's fraud! I hope anyone considering purchasing any animals from these jokers checks the BOI beforehand.

Bearded Pets: Honesty goes a long way in this business, and news travels fast. If you want to sell wild caught herps, represent them as such. I for one would pay good money for an established pair or group of either P. masobe or H. taylori. I have wanted to work with both of those for years. If you had been honest in your ads I may have contacted you about them. Your blatent disregard of the truth about the animals ensures I will never do business with you. Shame on you.
 
RARE ETHIOPIAN FAT TAIL GECKO ! CB ADULTS ! DEAL!
WILL SHIP ANYWHERE IN CONTINENTAL USA!!!
Posted by Bearded Pets (Contact Me!) on February 17, 2004 at 20:44:41


HI THESE ARE VERY COOL AND SWEET AS A DOG !! CB ADULTS !!
FOR THE GREAT PRICE OF ONLY $500 TO GOOD HOME !!


Dear Customers and Competitors ,
This is a family owned business and we breed many different types of reptiles. All of the animals we list are CB unless otherwise noted. We sell are animals with a 100% Health Guarantee , We believe in good deals so we keep are prices reasonable, If you are interested please give us your name, address and phone # so we can reserve the animal for you. We want the very best for you and your new pet!! We believe in quality and great deals , And if we don’t have it in are adds tell us what your interested in and we can get it for you!!! This is a family business and by family I mean the whole family, we are located in GA, FL, NY, and AZ. Remember we always strive to do are best !!! This is what makes a Family business so special!!! We sincerely thank you for looking at our adds and hope you have an AWESOME day.
Sincerely, All of us from Bearded Pets!!

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whats with these gays???

here is there latest posst for the ads.

Dear Customers and Competitors ,
This is a family owned business and we breed many different types of reptiles. All of the animals we list are CB unless otherwise noted. We sell are animals with a 100% Health Guarantee , We believe in good deals so we keep are prices reasonable, If you are interested please give us your name, address and phone # so we can reserve the animal for you. We want the very best for you and your new pet!! We believe in quality and great deals , And if we don’t have it in are adds tell us what your interested in and we can get it for you!!! This is a family business and by family I mean the whole family, we are located in GA, FL, NY, and AZ. Remember we always strive to do are best !!! This is what makes a Family business so special!!! We sincerely thank you for looking at our adds and hope you have an AWESOME day.
Sincerely, All of us from Bearded Pets!!

Funny how they only breed the rare stuff, it all says c.b. even what is not being bred often in captivity. Also funny how all the importers are bringing in the very same animals right now. coincidence? i dont think so. I mean the nerve of these gays I tell ya.

Oh yeah and the only thing I seen that said c.b.b. was a reptile that is not imported coincidence? NOT

They are all a family? thats why they don't have the same last names and are not even of the same ethnic haha get real who do they think they are fooling??

I have yet to get any pictures from these gay's they all say the cams are broke.

Oh and just cause you buy a enhanced account doesn't make you legit.

Please spread the word on these gay's and lets try to put an end to this madness.
 
Let's talk about legalities for a moment, since there seems to be a legal beagle in this thread who doesn't have a clue.

Firstly, I could care less if you're upset that "private" information has been posted. Whether you like it or not, names and addresses are still a matter of public record, with very limited exceptions.

Secondly, since you wanted to bring up legalities, shall we discuss your outright theft of others' intellectual property and fraudulent use thereof? Your violations of US copyright law are quite blatent.

Thirdly, let's touch upon fraud, since you also like to accuse others of that which you are guilty. I find it intriguing that you are complaining that your "private" information, which is an address in GA, yet your profile lists your location as FL. I can see where it might be easy to get the two confused...well, not really. :rolleyes: Bearing in mind that you registered from, and are posting from, a dial-up account from the Atlanta area, I'd suggest changing your profile to reflect your true location.
 
Just thought I would update the story a bit. Now, a day after a shipment from Tanzania arries, they have adult captive born c. melleri? And they only want the imprt price for them? Wow, what a deal almost as good as the captive born uroplatus fimbriatus for $100 each. It's time to fess up or get out.
 
oops sorry for the typo's

Don't forget the c.b black roughneck monitors thats already 2 foot long or the c.b croc monitors that are 3-5 foot long. Strange how thats the typical imported size ranges.

Or how about the c.b. adult croc skinks, wow funny some of them just were imported over too.

These are all of course just a coincidence. I am sure they can prove each and every one of these are captive born at there many homes.


So how bout it Jon, Elina,Lynn, Bearded Pets, GA, FL, NY, and AZ.
Go have a family meeting or whatever it is you do, and come on in and show us the pudding.
 
I agree, they are advertising C.B. small-Large Chamaeleo Melleri for import prices. There is no way these people are now all of a sudden breeding this species and have been long enough to have them at the size they are selling them at. There are very few people in the US that are or have been breeding this species (I am one of them) and none are offering C.B. animals at those sizes and ages. I have sent them a pretty stern e-mail in response to the Melleri ad. I also have contacted the Abuse coordinator at KS to see what they have to say about it.
 
Another thing I find interesting. It seems that these companies think just because they found the internet and are new to it so must be everyone else and therefore they can try and pull these scams. If I want to push harder into this I am sure that I can contact the other importers here in Florida and see which ones they purchased these animals from that they are now selling as C.B. to further show proof of their lies and deceit.
 
If all are captive bred, then what is the difference between CB and CBB? Maybe they dont understand the terms?

"HI THESE ARE GREAT THEY EAT ALOT AND I LOVE THERE TONGUE I ONLY HAVE A LIMITED SUPPLY OF THESE AND THERE AT A GREAT DEAL SO ACT FAST BEFORE THERE GONE !!!

1 CBB @ $90
1 CB ADULTS $100
1 PAIR OF CB ADULTS $180 "

They have "CBB" Frilled dragons too -- in several sizes ;).

They sure breed an awful lot of species!

Dana
 
I have a funny suspicion that "Bearded Pets" is a couple of Kids. They use the word are in place of OUR in all their ads. It is ridiculous that these types keep popping up and ripping people off. I have e-mailed them twice in regards to their ads and asked them to respond here but hmmm they have not shown up. I wonder why.....No I don't. They know they are caught and we are not afraid of their little threats.
 
A chance for you, Elena ...

I live and work in the same county where you are apparently located. If you are a captive breeder of reptiles, you have a chance to save your reputation (to some degree, I can't help you fix what you've damaged by using others' photos illegally) by inviting me to your home, office, or wherever you have your breeders. I will come over and meet you and take photographs with my digital camera of animals, eggs, enclosures, whatever seems appropriate. I am willing to do this at your convenience, any time except tomorrow between 5:30pm and 7:00pm. I will then post the photos and a brief report of my meeting with you so that everyone here will see that you truly are breeding these animals.
 
Well, on a positive note, at least it is becoming easier and easier to sniff out a scam, just look for CBB Dracos, croc monitors, roughneck monitors, melleri, etc, all at import prices!
 
I also emailed KS about these ads as Rob did. I got a reply basically stating that they were not responsible for what people sold. There stance is a non stance. BTW, I emailed them a few times about geckos that they had posted for sale and they have yet to reply to me either.
 
I received the same e-mail from KS.

And yes at least it is getting easier to spot the scammers, now we just have to find a way of letting everyone know on the internet about this site so that everyone can be warned.
 
I thought KS enforced the 3-strike rule? If there are three complaints a person's right to post is forfeited? I find it sad that KS is willing to protect these people by simply not taking a stand.

Luck for us we have been in the hobby long enough to catch some of the obvious scammers, but there are tons of people who don’t have our experience on their side. As a result they are the ones who will likely take the hit, and for them the results could have a much greater effect.

Not to mention there are so many people who are not aware of this website. I wish there was something more we could do.

Steven Hoch
 
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