Inquiry on bearded pets?

[Rob @ RK Reptiles]

I am not sure about the name but I am almost willing to bet money that the animals are not 100% het for PIED and nothing more than a normal more than likely wild caught Ball Python 100% het for nothing. These people (person) has shown no knowledge of genetics, and has been proven to be lying on many occasions regarding their animals i.e. selling Wild Caught Chameleons and other reptiles as c.b. animals. Hell I and many other people have been in this business a while and can not get these genetic animals as cheaply as they say they are getting them even from some friends which is another reason I firmly believe it is nothing more than another scam. They say they purchase from wholesalers. Well that part it probably correct, they probably purchase w/c balls from wholesalers and then label them as Heterozygous animals.

 

[Rob @ RK Reptiles]

Well it seems that little miss Elena is still reading this thread and site but will not respond to it. I believe she won't respond as the truth is out there about her selling w/c animals as c.b. animals. Below is the e-mail exchange between us regarding these suposed 100% het Ball Pythons.

Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:31:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bearded Pets <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: 100% HET FOR PIED BALL BALL PYTHONS ! GREAT DEAL !
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Hi, Good bye Rob @ RK Reptiles
Thanks Alot
Elena

"Robert Trenor Jr." <[email protected]> wrote:
Do you have the contact information on this person so that the information can be verified before a purchase is made?










----- Original Message -----
From: Bearded Pets
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: Message about: 100% HET FOR PIED BALL BALL PYTHONS ! GREAT DEAL !


Hi, Yes we do and they will come with them and are guarantee , Eliga Collins hes a small breeder in GA.
Thanks Alot
Elena

[email protected] wrote:
Do you have documentation to prove their genetics? Who produced them?

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[Ken Harbart]

Bearded pets selling 100% het pieds for $1400/pair is about as believeable as HCE's hets proving out, which is about as believeable as the tooth fairy.

At the very most, all they have is posible hets, but I even find that to be doubtful at this point.

 

[screamdreams]

Agreed

See why I don't post as much as I want to??? Everyone is so good at reading my mind I agree with you 100% Ken. BUYER BEWARE.

 

[odatria]

Bearded pets selling 100% het pieds for $1400/pair is about as believeable as HCE's hets proving out, which is about as believeable as the tooth fairy.

At the very most, all they have is posible hets, but I even find that to be doubtful at this point.

Ken, if they have "Possible Hets" then is it at least "Possible" that the Tooth Fairy is real?

 

[Rob @ RK Reptiles]

more responses

I really love how she is saying we here at the BOI are the ones that are lying about everything. hmmm maybe she is looking in a mirror and thinking the person she sees is us at the BOI.



Hi, We purchase Cb animals , and I dont need to deal with people who lie about everything. Fuana is full of people that dont no what there talking about , all are customers are happy so I dont need to prove anything to you or the other three people on fuana.
Thanks Alot
Elena

"Robert Trenor Jr." wrote:
Elena,

Since you are reading the BOI still why don't you respond to it? Afraid the truth will come out that you are selling w/c animals as c.b. again?









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----- Original Message -----
From: Bearded Pets
To: Robert Trenor Jr.
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: Message about: 100% HET FOR PIED BALL BALL PYTHONS ! GREAT DEAL !


Hi, Good bye Rob @ RK Reptiles
Thanks Alot
Elena

"Robert Trenor Jr." wrote:
Do you have the contact information on this person so that the information can be verified before a purchase is made?










----- Original Message -----
From: Bearded Pets
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: Message about: 100% HET FOR PIED BALL BALL PYTHONS ! GREAT DEAL !


Hi, Yes we do and they will come with them and are guarantee , Eliga Collins hes a small breeder in GA.
Thanks Alot
Elena

[email protected] wrote:
Do you have documentation to prove their genetics? Who produced them?

 

[The BoidSmith]

Rob,

At least you got a reply. In my case they never even attempted to. They probably thought replying to one of the members of the BOI was enough trouble.

Regards.

 

[Rob @ RK Reptiles]

Dan,

The only reason she replied was the e-mail address used was my personal e-mail and not the business e-mail. She did not recognize the name until she came and read the BOI again and saw I had just posted what she wrote to me in the other e-mail.

 

[Ken Harbart]

Hi, We purchase Cb animals

What she meant was..."Hi, we purchase wc animals and misrepresent them as cb."

and I dont need to deal with people who lie about everything.

Of course, which is why she probably doesn't conduct any deals with herself. After all, it would be pointless of her to deal with another individual, such as herself, who has an overinflated opinion of their ignorance.

Fuana is full of people that dont no what there talking about

This coming from someone who has demonstrated their ignorance of the animals they peddle. And now, it would seem, an ignorance of the English language.

all are customers are happy

Damn...I'm getting a headache trying to decipher all this gibberish! Those customers are so happy, in fact, that there's been an overwhelming voice of support in this thread. Wait a sec... all I hear are crickets!

so I dont need to prove anything to you or the other three people on fuana.

Jeez...I feel just a wee bit dumber for having attempted to comprehend that email. Someone get me a Tylenol. The last I checked, there's 9,344 members here. At the time of this reply, 147 different members are online.

I'd say Bearded Pets are a bunch of know nothings, but the fact is that they know how to blatently misrepresent animals. Right now I'm just trying to decide which concept would be the lesser of two evils... that they're intentionally misrepresenting their animals, or that they're just too damn inept to know their product.

 

[The BoidSmith]

You are right Rob!

Duhhh! Never thought about that. The questions I have e-mailed about who produced the heteros for sale to both Bearded Pets, and Tom Anderson were using my only e-mail account [email protected], and both also signed with my name. No wonder I don't get replies! It is obvious they frequent the BOI and know the names and e-mails of the people that post in here.

Best regards.

 

[Jram]

LOL. Great reply. What a bunch of scammers.

 

[kenfosterpb]

likely suspect

Sounds like Tom Anderson to me.

 

[Jram]

Your right, Ken. 100% right.
Jason

 

[The BoidSmith]

100% HET FOR PIED BALL BALL PYTHON PAIR !
WILL SHIP ANYWHERE IN CONTINENTAL USA!!!
Posted by (Contact Me!) on April 24, 2004 at 09:21:39
Registered PetHobbyist User since 2004-01-05

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Hi, These are 100% Het for pied ball ball pythons and they were born on 11/03 they weigh 190-200 grams , and come with all there ducumantation this is a 100% Healthy guaranteed they also come with documantation and are guarantee.They are going for a low price because we need more room. We accept money orders and cashiers checks possibly paypal.We will consider some trades but we need more room , maydbe for cages mammals or small reptiles.
They Are selling for $1800 for the pair .Theys have to go do to not enough space.
Are quality, great deals and honesty must really make are competition mad!
Thanks Alot

From their current ad; the bolding is mine...and priceless! The true breeders are probably scared to death because of the competition. Sell quick! The piebald market is stumbling!

A picture of a couple of ball pythons hanging from a branch is also posted with the ad. Although maybe artistic, not the usual finding in real life.

 

[Rob @ RK Reptiles]

HAHAHAHA Not only does she feel her "competition" is worried of competing against a scam (like her and her BEARDED PETS) she has now raised the price on the pair. hmmm maybe she is trying to make them look a little close to what a real pair would sell for. What a joke BEARDED PETS is.

 

[dzoo]

Het pieds

Yes, they must go- they need the room! We all know how much space a pair of '03 balls can take up! Just gotta get those outta there to make some room! Never mind that if they really are het pieds they could potentially produce offsprings worth thousands each - we just don't have room for one more sweaterbox. Oh we have room for more mammals but not these monster balls! We are outta room!!! That's the only reason we are selling 'em- honest!

 

[The Reptile House]

are they the same as?

Are they the same people that are posted on the wanted adds on Kingsnake saying that they will take in any unwanted reptiles of any kind and give them a good home?

Well re-sell them is more like it if this is the same people!

If not the same people then sorry.

If the same then beware you are probible purchasing someones pet they could no longer take care of and intrusted these people with- SAD!!

 

[Passport]

I wish I had read this thread much, much earlier. I am one of the unfortunate customers of these people. I purchased two Yellowfoot tortoises that were sold with 100% Health Guarantees. One of them arrived very ill. very lightweight and non eating. She has severe enteritis. I took her immediately to the vet where he started her on Baytril and Metronidazole. Her survival is questionable. She is still not eating and it has been two weeks. I immediately sent emails to notify them of the sick tortoise and they never responded. I tried calling then and kept receiving message that the phone customer was not available. It appears that I've learned a hard lesson and the poor animal is suffering also. It is sad to see such unscrupulous people continuing their business but it will catch up with them someday.

Lois Martin
Louisiana

 

[jon1048]

Lois Martin... I had never received any emails.

Hi, Lois I had never received any email but the one where you said you were happy with the purchase and that one individual tortoise was a bit light in weight. You then went on to say that it was okay because when you put food out for it, the tortoise began to eat immediately. You also said one was obviously gravid and looked to be in great health. Why all of a sudden the different opinion? Please email me directly to [email protected]
Just because you saw these posts your not trying to get something out of me are you? What I sent you were eating, healthy, large, and gravid. I have a vet check them off before I ship them. The animals sent to you were in perfect health. I have had no sick ones at all. I also never received any emails except the one where you stated you were all over satisfied with your purchase. I would prefer you contact me directly so we can work it out or get to the bottom of any problems. I suppose all of my emails will go on Fauna anyways, but I have not the slightest amount of care any more. I just would like to work it out in peace rather then with a bunch of bumbling idiots posting as we type.

 

[Rob @ RK Reptiles]

Just another example of how you Jon and your little partner are when it comes to selling of animals. They are nothing more than a quick buck to you. I tell you one thing, I totally regret ever helping you out on Reptibid in regards to Genetics. You took the information and ran with it and used it to scam people out of their money. You and your partner are nothing but total scammers and will be stopped sooner or later.