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The following are email’s that we receive daily from our competitors and other psychotics. We censored the inappropriate language these individuals used with stars.
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 01:22:34 -0500 (CDT) To:
[email protected] Subject: Message about: 3 SNOW CORN SNAKES BLOW OUT SALE FOR THE GROUP ! CAPTIVE BRED BABIES VERY YOUNG AND FAT ! From:
[email protected]
Nice pictures you freaks.... ----------------------------------------------
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http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?de=256532&cat=60 ---------------------------------------------- This message was sent by an unregistered or non logged in user. This person may or may not be who they say they are. The return address they provide may or may not be their correct address. Sent 01:22 AM, Sep 28th, 2004 from I.P. Address 216.138.44.190
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:35:55 -0500 (CDT)
To:
[email protected]
Subject: Message about: 100% HET FOR PIED BALL PYTHONS GET THEM BEFORE THERE GONE SALE ! TAKE A LOOK !
From:
[email protected]
Do you like being in a library? I'm here and waiting. We are getting so close to you and you don't even realize it. There are multiple federal laws against this form of scandal. You are going to be arrested. Better make some friends because you will need them for support. Good luck. Steve of NAAS --------------
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http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?de=256977&cat=32 ---------------------------------------------- This message was sent by an unregistered or non logged in user. This person may or may not be who they say they are. The return address they provide may or may not be their correct address. Sent 01:35 PM, Sep 28th, 2004 from I.P. Address 216.138.44.190
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:27:48 -0500 (CDT) To:
[email protected] Subject: Message about: 100% HET FOR* LAVENDER ALBINO* BALL PYTHON PAIR VERY GOOD DEAL LOOK NOW! From:
[email protected]
YOU IDIOTS!!!! YOU DON'T EVEN UNDERSATND BASIC GENETICS... LISTEN HERE GIRL. YOU ARE GOING DOWN.
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http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?de=257960&cat=32 ---------------------------------------------- This message was sent by an unregistered or non logged in user. This person may or may not be who they say they are. The return address they provide may or may not be their correct address. Sent 09:27 PM, Sep 29th, 2004 from I.P. Address 216.138.44.190
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 17:25:09 -0500 (CDT) To:
[email protected] Subject: Message about: HIGH WHITE FEMALE BALL PYTHON - PROVEN - INQUIRE FOR PICTURE - GOOD PRICE - SALE From:
[email protected]
You F**KING scammers are going to get it.
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http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?de=256978&cat=32 ---------------------------------------------- This message was sent by the user: jh_reptiles Sent 05:25 PM, Sep 26th, 2004 from I.P. Address 216.138.44.190
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 15:17:27 -0500 (CDT) To:
[email protected] Subject: Message about: 100% HET FOR ALBINO BALL PYTHONS GET THEM BEFORE THERE GONE SALE ! TAKE A LOOK BEFORE THERE GONE ! From:
[email protected]
You f**kers are going to get it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?de=256965&cat=32 ---------------------------------------------- This message was sent by an unregistered or non logged in user. This person may or may not be who they say they are. The return address they provide may or may not be their correct address. Sent 03:17 PM, Sep 26th, 2004 from I.P. Address 216.138.44.190
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:18:03 -0500 (CDT) To:
[email protected] Subject: Message about: *100% Het For Albino Ball Pythons Left Overs From Are Sale NOW HAVING A SUPER SALE *BLOW OUT * LOOK From:
[email protected]
Hey f**king scammers. Eventually your going to get caught and I hope its by somebody you ripped off instead of the police. Were COMMING FOR YOU F**KER. Sincerely,FBI
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http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?de=256527&cat=32 ---------------------------------------------- This message was sent by an unregistered or non logged in user. This person may or may not be who they say they are. The return address they provide may or may not be their correct address. Sent 11:18 PM, Sep 24th, 2004 from I.P. Address 216.138.44.190
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 16:30:39 -0500 (CDT) To:
[email protected] Subject: Message about: * Proven Adult Pied Ball Python * Awesome Deal * From:
[email protected]
Send me a pic. Will you take 14 G? Thanks, Joey
“Its Funny how you can call us names one minute and fake trying to buy something who is the real scammer here???????”
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 16:28:56 -0500 (CDT) To:
[email protected] Subject: Message about: 100% HET ALBINO CLUTCH HOLD BACKS ! GET THEM BEFORE THERE GONE SALE TO AVOID DISSAPOINTMENT ! From:
[email protected]
Hey F**KERS. I knocked on your door today!!!! I will be seeing you soon. Your all going to get it. We got you now!!!!!
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:46:49 -0500 (CDT) To:
[email protected] Subject: Message about: * ONE FEMALE 100% HET PIED * 200 GRAMS AND FEEDING F/T * From:
[email protected]
just wondering if you guys know the theme song to" cops"...I hope so...I am hoping they get this on camera, so we all can watch it over and over....
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:50:23 -0500 (CDT) To:
[email protected] Subject: Message about: * Proven Adult Pied Ball Python * Awesome Deal * From:
[email protected]
WERE COMING FOR YOU THREE.
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 22:24:19 -0500 (CDT) To:
[email protected] Subject: Message about: * 100% HET FOR PIED BALL PYTHON PAIR ! PRICE $1700 OR INQUIRE WITH OFFER ~ From:
[email protected]
FBI can track this sh*t you f**king scammers. Look out. Were here..........
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:29:52 -0500 (CDT) To:
[email protected] Subject: Message about: 100% HET FOR ALBINO BALL PYTHON PAIR ! GET THEM BEFORE THERE GONE SALE ! From:
[email protected]
SCAMMERS!!!!! WERE WATCHING.....666
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:16:27 -0500 (CDT) To:
[email protected] Subject: Message about: 100% HET FOR ALBINO PAIR OF BALL PYTHONS WEEKEND SALE ON THE PAIR ! From:
[email protected]
F**k you scammers. Your about caught. Sincerely, FBI
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:09:00 -0600 (CST) To:
[email protected] Subject: Message about: 100% HET FOR PIED BALL PYTHON MALES From:
[email protected]
hi....I know that you rip people as well as lie about photos and so on. Well, your address is listed in Faunaclassifieds and ripped one of my friends. I only live about an hour from you....so I will see you this weekend and I will get his money back the oldfashionded way. So...I will see you soon and we will have a good ole time or at least I will. Do you still have CB H. taylori or cb Masobe. Do you have lineage info on these balls we will see.
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:10:46 -0600 (CST) To:
[email protected] Subject: Message about: 9-12 INCH RED FOOT TORTOISES ! 2 PAIRS LEFT ! VERY GOOD PRICE TAKE A LOOK ! From:
[email protected]
I take a pair of these too
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http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?de=201567&cat=50 ---------------------------------------------- This message was sent by an unregistered or non logged in user. Sent 01:10 PM, Mar 26th, 2004 from I.P. Address 160.36.197.13
I have many more but I think everyone gets the point by now.
Cyberstalking
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Don't respond to provocation online.
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Save offending messages directed at you and report them to your Internet or e-mail service provider.
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All the people that have emailed me in that conduct ARE GOING under investigation. Most of them use fake email address because they must be scared to get a email back. Either that or there trying to act like someone else?????
I don’t know about you but if you got these type of emails daily would you freely give your address and phone # around????
Well I hope I made a point. You guys are just a bunch of people who must not have anything else to do.........
AGAIN LIKE I STATED BEFORE IF YOU HAVE A CUSTOMER SERVICE ISSUE PLEASE CONTACT US DIRECTLY DON’T USE THIS FORUM. IF YOU USE THIS FORUM UNDER MOST CIRCUMSTANCES YOU WILL NOT RECEIVE THE DESIRED TRANSACTION. THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE NOT PURCHASSED FROM US “ALMOST ALL OF YOU” I DO NOT NEED YOUR HATE MAIL AND ANY HATE MAIL OR THREATNING MAIL WILL BE FILED FOR LATER USE. THOSE WITH THREATS OF PYHSICAL VIOLENCE WILL NOT GET AWAY WITH THERE CRIMES. THIS AND OTHER EMAILS IS CYBER STALKING AND I WILL TAKE IT AS FAR AS IT WILL GO.
Hey just so you know Troy I am not an asshole. Below is a post you made on page 83 of this forum. I highlighted in lime green the email address YOU used to email me. You will see why this is relevant in a minute.
I "inquired" about the 100% Het Albinos about an hour or so after they posted them up a couple days ago. They emailed me a few hours later saying they "sold". Well, two days later, they're back up for sale, so I "inquired" again...requesting information on where to send payment and a phone #.
I received two emails from them, here they are:
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:20:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bearded Pets" Add to Address Book
Subject: Re: Message about : 100% HET ALBINO CLUTCH HOLD BACKS ! GET THEM BEFORE THERE GONE SALE TO AVOID DISSAPOINTMENT !
To:
[email protected]
Hi, I need your full name,address and phone number and I will get that information to you ASAP.
Thanks
Jon
Here's the other:
You can send a money order to my old address its :
Elena Egidi
2057 Alcovy Trace Way
Lawrenceville GA 30045
My mail is being forwarded to my new house.
Tell me when you ship it also , since im at my new place in montana If you send me your phone number that would be great ! Send me the tracking number also.
Thanks
Troy guess what here is your more resent post. The one you did on page# 98 of this forum. Again I highlighted the email address.
Below is an entire email exchange that someone had with Bearded Pets...
...regarding the Albino Hets they've been posting for sale. It seems everytime he inquired on them Bearded Pets said they SOLD. Of course the person inquiring wasn't interested in purchasing the animals, only to gain contact info on them. After he asked a few simple questions, he received a prompt email stating they had all sold within the hour. Only to find a day or two later they were back up for sale. Please take a moment and read through the emails in their entirety...
[email protected] wrote:
Hey - these freaking these have sold fifteen times according to your bs lies. Trust me, you will NOT be selling on KS for long. You owe my friend BIG TIME money and felony charges are forthcoming. Believe it.
[email protected] wrote:
Hi, YOUR not a customer. So I do not need to hear complaints from YOU. I do not owe anyone money. Oh and felony charges for what?
Thanks,
Daru Tu Liteme wrote:
Yes you do owe people money!!!!! A personal friend of mine. And what's with that low white pied you were selling???? It was a ringer, and maybe worth $150, and that's a BIG maybe. After you touched it, I wouldn't give a bucket of piss for it. You told me you lived in MONTANA, you lied. All lies, trust me, they will catch up with you and ALOT of people close to you are going to make sure of that. Not a threat in anyway - just a word of advice. You CAN NOT SELL FAKE HETS, SICK, PARASITE INFESTED, NON-EATING ANIMALS, for long in this business Trunk. You are going to be in BIG trouble. I personally have a male 100% het from you, I bred it to 4 100% het normals AND a homozygous animal (5 females total) eggs are pipping now, you better be prepared to back up your guarantee.
Bearded Pets wrote:
Sorry sir, but I am almost 100% sure you never purchased from us. Either way are guarentee will always stand 100%. I beleive sincerally in my animals and I guess soon enough the rest of you will also.
Thanks,
Daru Tu Liteme wrote:
You're right, I did NOT purchase from you BUT I did receive a het male from someone who DID buy from you, and after you evaded many questions AFTER they bought it, they thought it'd be best to ship the animal to someone in the industry who had females ready to breed and the means to prove or in this case disprove an animals genetics quickly instead of waiting. You failed to reply on the low white pied you had for sale, you know, the ringer...also what about the money or sick/non-feeding animals you've sold????? Care to reply to that???? By the way, the females are BELL & BHB stock so there is ZERO concern on the legitimacy of their genetics, and like I said, eggs are pipping now, and as of today I can see 11 hatchlings sitting in their eggs (pipped) with 9 more that should go any day - so far ALL normals. I have ALL your original paperwork you sent this person, all breeding data on record, photos of actual copulation, all paperwork from the original breeders of the adult females (that by the way 3 have already proved out in 02') etc...so in short, SIR, I have ALL of my ducks in a row - I hope you do as well. It is in your best interest to continue your contact with me so we can go about this quietly, unless you'd like me to bring this to the attention of every forum on the net today, as well as our friendly internet fraud unit, Dept F & W., customs (because this "het" male supposedly came from a "breeder" in Mexico - which by the way I have on record, your local police dept., etc. You have 12 hours to respond.
NO RESPONSE FROM BEARDED PETS SO CONTACT WAS MADE AGAIN...
Daru Tu Liteme wrote:
You know something?? You NEVER put a signature on your emails....no name, no nothing...and what's funny is you REQUIRE someone's personal info BEFORE you give out yours...what a crock. Why did you tell me you lived in Montana???? What about the Low White Pied???? Does WJ Long ring a bell to you??? Refund his money, now. As far as who this male hat came from...I lied - I bought it DIRECTLY FROM YOU, and have all receipts, emails, etc to PROVE THIS. I am under an anonymous email addy because I COULD NOT GET ANY RESPONSES FROM YOU under the one we did business under!!!!! You'll find out WHO I AM soon enough, now answer my questions....then I will answer yours. You have very little time before I rip your reputation to shreds on EVERY SINGLE REPTILE RELATED FORUM ON THE NET, as well as prosecute yo to the FULLEST. I also expect ALL monies I paid you REFUNDED IN FULL after I UNPROVE this male out (which it looks like I already have) Like I said, ALL of my paperwork, photo documentation, etc are in order and on file with my attorney, KS, IFCC, and your local law enforcement agency. We can do this quietly, or feed it to the public...answer my questions, you will know who I am.
Bearded Pets wrote:
1. If this is a legitimate claim you should have no problem telling me who you are.
2. You’’re a joke, first you tell me you bred a male that was a friends, then it became yours, then it became a friends, and now yours once again????? "only tells me one thing, your trying to commit illegal extortion."
3. I require personal info of those who inquire on my stock because of the FaunaClassifieds BOI, you people are worthless pieces of crap and I do not want to waste my time on you.
4. I did NOT sell any reptiles that would be able to breed this year.
5. If you do post your LIES on the internet, do you have enough money to back those comments up after I have my attorney contact you and the lawsuits in place?
6. Who are you? and what exactly do you mean by quietly????
Daru Tu Liteme wrote:
I'm a joke?!?!? You haven't sold an animal that would breed this year, huh??? What about that bull[**censored**] ad about that pair of "sub-adult" as you called them, 300 gram animals, that in your exact words "ready to breed this year"??????? Females...obviously not, males, highly unlikely BUT maybe.
For your info, I had a 390 gram Spider male breed 2 adult females this season, 9 viable eggs. I had a 480 gram Pastel male breed 1 adult female, 6 eggs - 1 went bad...so trust me sherlock, MALES can go sooner than most think...
As far as the "first it's a friend's, then it's mine" saga, I have TRIED TO GET AHOLD OF YOU under the email addy I made our transaction with. You WOULD NOT RESPOND!!!! Just like you won't respond to Scott, or William, or the guy with the Red Foots....did you ship the "het for albinos" out today, like you promised?????? I doubt it.
Guess what, all eggs are pipped - I cut them today. NOT ONE HOMOZYGOUS ANIMAL, and like I said, I have ALL of my info on file....you say "extortion"??????? Get real....
I've decided to copy and paste ALL of our emails, with proof of purchase, etc on every forum under the sun. I've also contacted some very good friends of mine (very reputable dealers) that have all agreed to post a "warning banner" on their sites regarding your bull[**censored**]. KS has also been contacted, so you better post as many animals as you can, as soon as you can, because it's inevitable that your "classified" days are slowly but surely coming to an end.
You can take your "guarantee" and shove it up your ass, I'll post the truth under every single collectors nose, so your sales will deteriorate - quickly.
Does anyone else see the resemblance. Because I DO. Troy Cromwell was the individual who emailed the supposed above post “but according to Cromwell it was from supposedly some one else” Interesting how that works now isn’t it. You claim that it was some one else’s email but yet you’re the bastard who made the email up. I believe they call that LIBEL. Well guess what cromwell you lied more then you should have on this one. Also I remember seeing a couple of posts form different individuals in here that disturbed me very much. I believe you called the local police officers dumb hicks and other rude disgusting and god awful remarks. I for one DO NOT want to see this ever again. Our county police officers work EXTREMELY hard to remove the ACTAUL criminals from our streets. They earn every dollar they have and are most likely much more intelligent and educated then those of you who made those remarks. It disgust me to see any individual at any time making fun of our men in uniform. Another words the people that put there life on the line in some cases to rescue others lives including in some cases what might be yours.
yeah right.
