INtroducing the "Enigma", a Brand New Leopard Gecko Morph!

[boybronco]

Its pretty obvious the only socialism you seem to know or understand is profits since at least even Kelli understood some of the points i made had merit which shows how much bigger of a person she is regardless of how or what she chooses to do with her reptiles in general which either way is understood nor was aimed at her but since she chose to respond first so did i and at least i appreciate her honesty as much as i value my own opinions, As far why i chose an old post i didn't choose anything and just found that page and decided to post the obvious sentiments of many others which have been echoing around and which i happen to believe in as well. And all my animals i got at decent prices rather than paying exhorbitant ones and yes the include many of the newer morphs like the mack super snows and select albinos as others as i would never give a cent to anyone charging a grand or or over nor anywhere close which is R I D I C U L O U S and very ugly.
Yes i also know the difference between herpetology and herpetoculture and using certain words as a metaphor or figure of speech as captive breeding is also a part of herpetology but you can just ask a zoo if your unclear since im not.
You can all choose to be hostile and thats okay too including you ken as either way this is a forum and in forums people speak on topics that interest them or what they feel or wish to share and though my views and those of many others for obvious reasons may not correlate with any of you deep down many know darn well what i meant which you guys obviously decided must be directly tied to my individual needs or wants as opposed to the needs or wishes consistently echoed by so many whom will also obviously continue to remain last on list of priorities which not a single one of you seem to acknowledge or hint at caring about although i'll make an exception since at least Kelli to a degree understood some of what was meant. Bash me if you will thats cool too but exhorbitant prices are shameful and a great dis-service to the heaven knows how many forcing them out of the loop or to stand on the sidelines patiently watching and waiting for all unfold and none here really care about that since its business is business right?
Damn we're sure living in some strange times.

4 periods and a question mark?

And you expect to be taken seriously?

 

[hhmoore]

Wow. I tried to sort though all the grammar, syntax, and punctuation issues...and was confronted with the fact that this guy doesn't really have a grasp of what he is talking about. Sure, he is TRYING to talk a good game, even piecing together various things that are commonly discussed (and lamented, and squawked about) in forums. But his basic premises are so far off base that he defeats himself even without making his posts frustrating to read. The only parts that really make sense are the ideas that 1) many people can't afford new morphs until they have been around for a while, and 2) some people don't want to pay a lot of money for their animals (or don't think they are worth the money). In all fairness, somewhere in his compilation of words, there may have been a few more tidbits of substance...but I started skimming, then skipping.

I will even admit that I look at the prices of some animals and say that they aren't worth the cost....and that I have not purchased animals/morphs that I was interested in because the price was too high. I have even waited til prices dropped. At no time, however, did I ever feel that I was being denied anything that was rightfully mine. And where did this idea that the new morphs actually belong to the general populace of the hobby come from?? There really are too many items to try to comment on.
(note to self: unsubscribe from this thread immediately)

 

[garweft]

OK, so lets pretend that a new morph was priced the same as a normal Leo. Considering that there would only be a few in existence the first year, who would determine who gets the morph and who doesn't. It is very obvious that 1,000 people cannot own 5 geckos. That is unless Jesus decides to stop by with a miracle like he did when he fed 1000's of people with a few fish and some bread, but I doubt it. So who would decide who gets to be the chosen few?

By pricing them higher, those that truly want one have just as much of a chance of getting one as any top breeder, or even the breeders closest friend. If you are like me and don't think that they are worth the premium price, then you can wait for a few years to get one at a price you deem reasonable.

 

[groovygeckos]

Whine whine, I want whats NOT rightfully mine. LOL

This is the way things work, as was mentioned there are many other morphs which have allready been through this process, that may be more affordable. Give it time, and this morph, like any other will come down in price, and be more widely available.

 

[MKGeckos]

truthstingz, if you've taken any basic economic class, this is real simple. When demand is high and the supply is low, the price goes up.

 

[XGeckos]

i love leo...all leo...
50$ leos and 500$ leos..i like the clours in leos...and enigma!..enigma is stunning!
i'm not rich, and for buy a new leo i need to renounce at something else in my life..but is a choice..
if i can't be able to afford the price for a new morph the quality of my life don't change..for what i read your change a lot...this is sad...

 

[Double LY]

I think the most fitting response to this thread would be a quote from the movie Billy Madison ...

"Truthstingz, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

Hmmm... perhaps if Truthstingz would have completed the 2nd grade (isn't this the year we learn how to formulate sentences and paragraphs and puncutate?), he could get a job where he could afford the gecko morphs he wants.

 

[Clay Davenport]

Here's an idea, why don't you apply your same reasoning to the automotive industry. Do us a favor and write a few letters. I think everyone deserves to own a Lamborghini and they should not be denied one just because they are outrageously priced. There can be no rational reason why those cars should cost a quarter million when you can get a Kia for 11 grand.
While we're at it, let's level the playing field in all areas. Why should some pair of designer jeans cost $100 when you can get Levi's for $20 at Wal-Mart?
The whole concept of economic principles that drives all industries is equally farcical, and we should tear it all down for the benefit of those who feel entitled.

Point being, what makes you think reptile breeders have some obligation to be the exception? Why do they have less right to name a price for a new "product" than any other business?
Why should any breeder who makes a living from breeding reptiles, or largely supplements their income from it sacrifice that livelihood just so you or anyone else can have the latest morph for nothing?
What if your employer came to you and said MacDonald's was only paying their employees minimum wage and even though he was paying you $14 an hour he thought it was only fair to him if he lowered your pay to what MacDonald's employees were given? Based on your current reasoning, that should be completely acceptable since he is buying your time just as you are buying a leopard gecko.
Why should you or anyone else be entitled to the latest morph at 1/10th of the asking price when you would never expect to buy a Corvette on a Citation budget?
Your comments seem more like a childish tantrum than any form of rational thought.

They fact is, like it or not, supply and demand rules commerce in a capitalistic economy. I tend to agree with the others on this point though, your ideas are anything but capitalistic.

You feel that a breeder should be obligated to make his morphs available to the general public at a low price. But on what basis do you feel you or anyone else are deserving of that favor? Surely it can't be simply because you love the species, for if that was the reason then the newest morph would be irrelevant since you would be equally as pleased with a normal or a low end morph.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Dennis Hultman (DH),

(DH) Bottom-line, you believe you are entitled to others hard work. That you are wrongly denied exciting new morphs because you can’t afford them. That you have a strong belief in entitlement.
I suggest finding one of those few countries left in the world that believes as you.

(TS) You words Dennis not mine... but that the entire herpetological community is exposed to such practices is truly sad.

(DH) Every person has an individual right to decide how they will best distribute their animals. You may not like it, but you are god over your own animals. One is entrusted with every aspect of their lives.

(TS) Yes i agree with you to a degree as everyone does have the right to do as they please which i guess includes leaving the greater portion of the herpetological community out of the loop whom are no less equally deserving and does anyone even care or take a moment to consider how this makes others feel as a whole or a you saying im the only person on earth displeased with such practices i think not which would truly be foolish considering how many other threads across the forums on the net mention this very type of practice as way out of control serving only the best interests of the almighty dollar.

(DH) What gives you the right to someone else’s work? Try doing a little work yourself. You have no right. No access to anything that is not yours. To bad. So sorry.

(TS) Dennis everyone has the right to feel a certain way and many feel as i do as i've come across it often on the internet but as long as there are people who will shell out many of the exhorbitant prices as seen for much of the newer stuff out there it will continue giving others a license to selfishly pimp their animals for their own profit. Now you might be okay with these practices and even okay with the fact that jacking prices are are fair to the entire herp community which is an opinion your entitled to but i and many think it stinks and rightfully so which has nothing to do with wanting the 'Rights' per se to anothers work as in the grand scheme of things everyone in there herp field for the greater part deals with this as best they can and waits and waits and it just seems as excited as some breeders are to share to genuinely show any of their latest morphs to the world that at least some would equally want to put them into the hands of everyone by readily making them easily more accessible price wise so that all those out of the loop are reached with an equal amount of love and can also enjoy these wonders but sure enough that doesn't seem to be the case and yes if i ever produced something unique i wouldn't resort nor feel the need for outlandish prices giving all the chance in finest traditions of herpetology whom wish to an equal chance to acquire them with prices that reflect this rather than keeping herps as hostages for profit let alone thinking about my own pocket which horrific and a very ugly practice.

One quote of mine you didn't address.

Dealing with morphs has nothing to do with the basics of the field.

This is primarily why the argument you put forward that I have bolded above, lacks merit. If you were addressing bringing in new species to work with or adding to the gene pool, your arguments might merit a second thought. The mere fact that you are focused on morphs with your points above undermines your statements of tradition. Working with rare species is completely different than working with new morphs.

 

[Scott Ashton]

truthstingz -

Ask your pharmacist to use the bottles without the child saftey cap.

 

[aimee_s]

I can't see any of the Enigma pictures that were posted. However, the two that were on the H.I.S.S. website look amazing. My favorite one is the one that's more orange in color! Looks great and Congrats!