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Is the Fall From Grace fatal to the Good Guy Certs?

What do you think...?

  • Good Guy Certification is irrevocably destroyed by the "Bad Guy" actions

    Votes: 2 4.9%

  • Good Guy Certification doesn't mean anything.

    Votes: 10 24.4%

  • I don't think anything has changed.

    Votes: 6 14.6%

  • I think that the Good Guy Certification program is just great.

    Votes: 2 4.9%

  • The Good Guy Certification Program has DONE IT'S JOB

    Votes: 20 48.8%

  • The Good Guy Certification Program is the best part of the BOI

    Votes: 1 2.4%
  • Total voters
    41
  • Poll closed .
Karen Hulvey said:
It has EVERYTHING to do with the topic of this thread.
If you HAVE NOT DONE BUSINESS with a person, is it right to give them a good guy or bad guy vote? That is the freaking question.
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No. THIS thread is about whether or not the Certification Program can function when one of it's members looses his certification. Are we able to police our own sufficiently to keep the respect of the general public type of thing.

It's NOT about whether or not you can vote good or bad for someone you have not done business with. Not that this is not also a pertinant question, it is simply NOT the question this thread was started to cover.

Or so think I.

What EXACTLY are we dealing with in THIS thread.

Can the certification program survive it's first loss? Can we maintain a level of respectibility necessary to have that certificate mean anything? That is what I think THIS thread is supposed to be about.

OR, can you vote for a good or bad guy if you have NOT done business with that person.

Let's make it one or the other.
 
I'm not a mind reader, I just have more knowledge of this from his perspective. He didn't understand what "context" you were reffering to. He knew that thas was Kevin because it had been pointed out by others where he lifted the pics. Did he have empirical first hand knowledge of his own? No... because he had never personally met or seen pictures of Kevin before - but... others who knew what Kevin looked like had already said it was him, and so in that sense - He did know. That's the point you're missing here.
 
Karen,

This is a dead horse but feel free to keep beating it. Enjoy your own company. And that of your friends. And do look around at who they are.

Ta-ta
 
CaptainSlackass said:
I'm not a mind reader, I just have more knowledge of this from his perspective. He didn't understand what "context" you were reffering to. He knew that thas was Kevin because it had been pointed out by others where he lifted the pics. Did he have empirical first hand knowledge of his own? No... because he had never personally met or seen pictures of Kevin before - but... others who knew what Kevin looked like had already said it was him, and so in that sense - He did know. That's the point you're missing here.
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Well forgive me for communicating in English and not mind reading. He knew but FAILED to communicate it. To me AT THE TIME it seemed he didn't know. Read his post and pretend you don't know anything about the subject. What would you take home from it?

And this is really my last post because I can't stand the smell of rotting horseflesh. Have something new or interesting to say, tell it to Karen.
 
Jim O said:
Karen,

This is a dead horse but feel free to keep beating it. Enjoy your own company. And that of your friends. And do look around at who they are.
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Jim,

Why, oh why, can't you see the light? I don't follow anyone and as for friends, I considered you one too but I'm starting to wonder about you. Got that?

When I see people freehandling hots within a few inches of children I get livid. I don't give a rat's a$$ who the "name" is doing it. I will speak out against it and vehemently (if you hadn't noticed).

I'm sorry if you think it's okay to have two hooded cobras loose on the ground with kids sitting 8' away drinking a soda or a gaboon viper inches from a person who is kneeling on the ground.

I'm starting to think you are a wimp and can't stand behind your own convictions.
 
Personally I won't use the Good Guy Certificate Polls until/unless I've done business with the individual. I think I've used it for Kathy Love, Rich Z, Dennis T (didn't buy anything from him, but had some real-life interaction where he gave me pertinent AZ information at a very difficult time in my life), and maybe one or two others. Heck, I haven't even given Wes his well-deserved pat on the back, because I haven't done business with him.

BUT, the rules as stated in huge letters do not prohibit posting your opinion regardles of whether you have done business.
 
He was a little confused is all. He was all alone and getting his teenage butt kicked. Now - knowing what you know now - was he wrong to give them a bad guy certification... a simple yes or no would be nice.

Then I'll drop it.
 
Jim O said:
Well forgive me for communicating in English and not mind reading. He knew but FAILED to communicate it. To me AT THE TIME it seemed he didn't know. Read his post and pretend you don't know anything about the subject. What would you take home from it?

And this is really my last post because I can't stand the smell of rotting horseflesh. Have something new or interesting to say, tell it to Karen.
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Jim,
I know you're a physician. I'm a medical transcriptionist. I deal with big headed physicians all day long and I know they don't like to and won't admit when they are wrong but you're wrong in this instance.

If you only look at the pictures, how can you think those people are NOT IN THE WRONG? Yet you kept wanting to know about freakin' context of the pictures. Who gives a flying flu¢k what context it was done in? It WAS DONE and was PROVEN who did it. Yet you still CONDONE it. Again Condone means to excuse, make excuses for, etc.

You are a hypocrite because you wanted David to retract his neg vote when he didn't have any business dealings with NERD. Yet you have not done business with Bill and gave him a neg. vote. It's not apples & oranges. It's a huge stinking bowel movement. It can't be one way for you and another way for others. So, Jim, which is it?
 
What would you take home from it?
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Honestly?

I've said it before - I had no previous ill will towards Nerd. NONE whatsoever! I'm not a part of some mob mentality (as you've obviously implied) I don't have a problem with morphs, I don't have a problem with hybrids. I only had a problem with what I saw. Now the only reason I bring that last paragraph to the table is to set it for my next statement...

Honestly - what would I take home from that? I think that a lot of people would rather this kid be dead wrong than think that NERD could do any wrong. You all wanted to kill the messenger.

But you're dragging your heels here. If what he did wasn't wrong I want someone to admit it. If that's the case then maybe we can ALL give people we havent done business with a bad guy certification. If we all did that then the whole bad guy certification becomes no different than Rep power.

Bottom line is that he SHOULDN'T have given a bad guy certification to NERD. ANd all of you people that gave bad guy certification to Bill shouldn't have either.

It's really quite simple.
 
OK, one last time boys and girls. Read my posts in that thread. All of them. Then take two aspirin and do not call me in the morning. And Karen, be mindful of the fact that I said I was unhappy about the content of the pictures long before I knew who it was who was in them. I am NOT going to rehash this again. Now if you want to get personal, do it with your vibrator please, not with me. I am simply no longer interested in yesterday's news.
 
Jim O said:
slackass, learn to read. This is what David wrote:Sounds to me like he did not. Maybe you are a mind reader. I am not. As I have said before, had it been said who and what it was that would have been different.

Now play nice children.
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He didn't know the context of the pictures I.E. the captions that went with them. He know good and well who was in the pictures and so did a lot of other people. Mainly because I am pretty sure in that original post on TRR it stated Kevin was in them. And how did I know?? Because it was in the frigging captions posted on their forum..

So how does this "Good Guy" thing hold any water when people who have NOT DONE BUSINESSwithe the individual you are rushing out to vote a bad guy now in light of new developments?? You jump David for doing that but it is all well and good for others here to do the same?? Explain that one why don't you because this should be a hum dinger..
 
CaptainSlackass said:
Honestly?
I had no previous ill will towards Nerd. NONE whatsoever! I'm not a part of some mob mentality (as you've obviously implied)
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I have no ill will towards NERD either. Heck I liked Kara a whole lot after we had a nice conversation about peachfaced lovebird morphs. I simply will not stand by and watch people do what they did.

So answer the question somebody please. If you HAVE NOT DONE BUSINESS with an individual, CAN YOU VOTE ON THEIR GOOD GUY CERTIFICATION?

I've got some votin' to do because obviously you don't have to do business with a person to vote, that has been proven with Bill's cert. form.
 
Karen Hulvey said:
I've got some votin' to do because obviously you don't have to do business with a person to vote, that has been proven with Bill's cert. form.
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You should have a complete list of who to vote for from me in a few Karen if you are going to do that. :D
 
do it with your vibrator please
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Nice fog, and very proffesional too...
Please Try again.
We have two cases of the exact same thing happening here. Both were a case of people who hadn't done business with someone giving a bad guy certification. Both were cases where it was conclusively proven that the "bad event" actually occured.

Now forgeting for a moment all the crap about NERD, it's really a basic question. If anyone can give someone a bad guy certification in the light of an obvious wrongdoing - how is that distiguished from simple rep power?

It should obviously only be from someone who did business with the person.
 
And if you didn't have any business dealings with that person or business you shouldn't be issuing bad rep points. Or is it just do as I say and not as I do around here??
 
Whoa.

Okay, to not entirely join in on all of the off-topic posts, I will state that I think the Good Guy certification award has done it's job entirely. I don't understand what the problem is. Bill was a good guy. He had the certificate. Bill f'ed up. He's losing his certificate. Done deal. Good guy no more.

Jim, I have a great deal of respect for you, but to be completely honest, I am disgusted by the attitude it seems you've delevoped toward Karen. I do believe you owe her a sincere apology for that remark.

Although the wording of the Good Guy poll description (thanks Karen) does not state that you HAVE to conduct a transaction with a person for whom you are voting, I think it's pretty obvious that it is intended that you have done so. Maybe I'm wrong, but the wording is such that it does require a person to make an intrepretation.
 
I think it's pretty obvious that it is intended that you have done so
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Thank you. This really isn't about NERD. It's about the very nature of the system. The NERD example was perfectly placed, and not off topic. It was simply used to illustrate a very important point. Which by the way - has been made quite succintly.
 
PaulSage said:
I think the Good Guy certification award has done it's job entirely. I don't understand what the problem is.
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I agree.

The problem is this:
Can you vote + or - for a person on their Good Guy Cert. if you HAVE NOT done business with them.

On another thread two people who voted - for Bill demanded another person (David) to retract his - vote for NERD because he had no business dealings with them.

We cannot have it both ways. I do not agree with what NERD did and I WILL GIVE THEM A - VOTE as soon as it is deemed the correct way to participate in the Good Guy Cert. forum.
 
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