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Is the Fall From Grace fatal to the Good Guy Certs?

What do you think...?


  • Total voters
    41
  • Poll closed .
Then Karen, you should have read the answer. But that is not the question you asked. You asked about transactions. You said
Karen Hulvey said:
It looked really shady that nonpaying members could vote up until the time it was decided that you didn't have to have a business dealing w/a person to cast a vote and then poof, only paying members can vote.
That was decided when Rich created the certification and has NEVER changed. Do you get it now? Or should I dictate it into a machine so you can type it over and over a few times until you understand it?
 
Sasheena said:
Member A is a "nobody" and also a bad guy, and vehemently denies this, heaping lies, insults, and whining complaints of cliques one on top of the other on top of the other. He gets torn to absolute shreds.

Member B is a bad guy, but somebody that is considered a good guy until his crime is exposed. While he tries to cover it up in the beginning, it is not very long at all before he confesses to his crime. He does not heap insults, try to cover it up beyond the first effort, does not denigrate the membership, he takes his lumps and is meek about it. He gets torn to shreds by some of the members, but others stop the feeding frenzy short of ripping him to bits.

NOW.... this looks like preferential behaviour to some... and infact sparks them to a huge further feeding frenzy and accusations of favoritism.


No Sasheena, I am not speaking about "ripping him to shreds," I am talking only about people defending someone who did something wrong, in spite of evidence to the contrary and his admission of guilt. I don't see how... nevermind. That is what I am talking about.

Shrap, David got flack for essentially not posting a picture of Kevin so that people could see that it was in fact the owner of NERD in those pictures. He was wrong for that, he handled it characteristically for his age, and he apologized, but none of the adults that berated him and essentially accused him of being a liar have apologized (as far as I know, if they have in PM, more power to em).

As to wilomn, Yes you're wrong. I was not referring or directing anything in my posts on this thread to you. I never said anything about how anyone should think or act outside of the moderators, and if you'd like to show me where I did, I would appreciate it. I am talking about how the actions of the WHOLE community of "regulars" here can be percieved to have a bias. If you want to put yourself in that group, that is your decision. If you want to disagree that they can never be percieved to have a bias, that is also your opinion to have.
 
One last thing, thanks for the offer of help Lucille, but my school has a very strict plagiarism policy and it boils down to I have to use my own thoughts and "knowledge" or else I can and will be failed and expelled.
 
Karen,

From the beginning of the program only PAID members could vote on the Good Guy Cert. Then when Rich went on hiatus a week or so ago he removed all the restrictions he put in place when the BOI went to membership. Including the ability to post on the BOI and vote on the Good Guy Cert. Then in the last day or two he reverted the ability to vote on the Good Guy Cert back to paid members only. For reasons he already stated.

Clear now?
 
NOW, Now it has been proven that you don't exactly tell the truth now so don't start calling people hypocrites when you can't support your own beliefs due to lack of facts.

Karen Hulvey said:
I'm done with this. All you hypocrites can debate youreselves. I've made my point.
What point have you made? You have continued to misquote everyone here.
Karen Hulvey said:
Sorry Paul, Sasheena, Sirenofthestorm, and even Webslave.
You owe me one of those.

Jim you’re wasting your time. It does not matter if GOD himself posted the meaning of life. She would tell him he meant something else.
 
Dennis Hultman said:
NOW, Now it has been proven that you don't exactly tell the truth now so don't start calling people hypocrites when you can't support your own beliefs due to lack of facts.


Please point me to the thread where its proven that Karen doesn't tell the truth.
 
sirenofthestorm said:
He was wrong for that, he handled it characteristically for his age, and he apologized, but none of the adults that berated him and essentially accused him of being a liar have apologized
Well you would be wrong. At least one person did as I recall publicly apologize (and others did privately). Want to know who? Look it up. That's just what we were told to do.
 
sirenofthestorm said:
No Sasheena, I am not speaking about "ripping him to shreds," I am talking only about people defending someone who did something wrong, in spite of evidence to the contrary and his admission of guilt. I don't see how... nevermind. That is what I am talking about.
Whitney, who did you see defending "someone"? Assuming you're talking about Bill, I don't remember anyone actually defending him or his actions after he admitted his crime.
 
Whitney,

Who defended him? WHO? EVERYONE was shocked that it happened but not one person defended him or his actions once the evidence was in place. NOT ONE. You should quit drinking that kool-aid they serve over at TRR. It is completely distorting your ability to see reality and think for yourself.

Again about NERD. I do not know what happen after my last post in that thread, because once he said it was not his problem to back up his accusations I lost all interest in hearing anything else he had to say and did not return to the thread.

And personally, I do not care if it is NERD, New Breeder On The Block, or my own flesh and blood. I call a spade a spade. Right is right and wrong is wrong, who you are does not have any effect on that. I have not talked to or seen one of my brothers in almost three years. He lives 15 minutes away. He is a scumbag and can't be trusted. I won't have anything to do with him. So do not sit there and tell me that "because it is NERD......". No one else gives a crap who it is either..... except you and your fellow conspiracy theorists.

And you wonder why TRR has a bad rep here? Because every month or two another one of you come over here spouting the EXACT SAME RHETORIC that the previous person was spouting. Conspiracy theory this, clique that, bias this..... yet you have no REAL evidence of any of it because none of it is true. It is just what you WANT to be true. You really need to learn to tell the difference.
 
sirenofthestorm said:
Please point me to the thread where its proven that Karen doesn't tell the truth.

What! You have to be kidding.
Have you read this thread?

Quote me please, one thing she has posted that was true about what I posted on the other thread.

Do I really have to post the quotes all over again? Come on!!
 
Karen Hulvey said:
Jim O said:
Karen,

That NEVER changed. Read what Rich wrote. It was NEVER intended to require a transaction.

Dude you're really pushing me here. I asked the question BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU WROTE ABOVE. Yes it DID CHANGE so quit twisting things around.

No it did NOT change. There is NO twisting around of things at all on this point. From the beginning I did not place the restriction of transactions only for votes simply because I knew it would not be possible to enforce. I also suspected that it would be more of a hindrance then a benefit for the usefullness of the certification program in general.

And you know what? Even if I had changed that stipulation, so what? I don't do my writing on stone tablets, and I certainly hope no one else thinks I do either. And all of my pencils have erasers on them as well. EVERYTHING on this site is subject to change without notice, if I determine that a change may be necessary.

Karen Hulvey said:
WHAT DID CHANGE IS THE FACT THAT ONE DAY NONPAYING MEMBERS COULD VOTE AND THEN THEY COULD NOT VOTE. THAT IS WHAT CHANGED. Do you get it now or should I type it even slower and bigger?

I'm done with this. All you hypocrites can debate youreselves. I've made my point.

Sorry Paul, Sasheena, Sirenofthestorm, and even Webslave.

What does this second part have to do with the first?

Yes, for about a week, non paying members could vote on the certification poll. So what? Did the world end during that time because of it? If I should decide to change it so only people 21 years old or older can vote, again, so what? I can try it any way I wish to see what sort of change it may make in the overall results. There is no guidebook that came with this. I have to try things by trial and error, and by the seat of my pants. And so I say again, this particular point has absolutely nothing at all to do with anything concerning actual business transactions being a requirement to vote.

So, which of the two points mentioned above have you actually made with your statements? Sorry, but I just don't see the point of either one of them, much less that you made your point.

Will someone please explain to me what exactly this pissing duel is all about? Everyone appears to be trying to make a point, unfortunately, everyone is making a different and unrelated point from everyone else.
 
WebSlave said:
Will someone please explain to me what exactly this pissing duel is all about?
Yes, Rich. Karen still has a bee in her bonnet over the NERD/venomoids thread and has decided we are all hypocrites. And she has moved her venom over to this thread since she can no longer post it on the one that is locked.

Dennis, did I miss anything salient?
 
shrap said:
Whitney,

Who defended him? WHO? EVERYONE was shocked that it happened but not one person defended him or his actions once the evidence was in place. NOT ONE. You should quit drinking that kool-aid they serve over at TRR. It is completely distorting your ability to see reality and think for yourself.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showpost.php?p=289407&postcount=25
He did not admit guilt outright in post 24, but I have a migraine and I simply am not going to read through that thread again to pinpoint exactly where he says it explicitly. He does begin fostering doubt in his actions in post 24, and if you want to quibble over the semantics of it, fine. I'm sorry I am not stating everything in explicit terms and defining each word as I go along. I think there are plenty of intelligent adults here who can read contextual meaning into words here as easily as they can on the BOI.
And not that you really care but do I get along with everyone at that board? heck no. will everyone on a board ever get along? heck no. I frequent several different boards but that's not relevant, right? Only the one that you happen to dislike?

Again about NERD. I do not know what happen after my last post in that thread, because once he said it was not his problem to back up his accusations I lost all interest in hearing anything else he had to say and did not return to the thread.

And personally, I do not care if it is NERD, New Breeder On The Block, or my own flesh and blood. I call a spade a spade. Right is right and wrong is wrong, who you are does not have any effect on that. I have not talked to or seen one of my brothers in almost three years. He lives 15 minutes away. He is a scumbag and can't be trusted. I won't have anything to do with him. So do not sit there and tell me that "because it is NERD......". No one else gives a crap who it is either...
You know where the thread is, but I'll summarize. Kara admitted it was a NERD event. So, the context was established, and NERD was freehandling hots with the public. To me, that is more offensive than mislabelling a thread. But hey, that's just me. Despite that fact, unfortunately most of the posts were about how the thread could have gotten off to a better start. Yes it should have, but again I think the pictures stand alone and speak for themselves. Someone is freehandling venomous snakes and letting children touch them and stand within striking distance. Whomever it is, should be ashamed and apologize to the entire community for their irresponsible behavior. That is not a "I think you should do such and such because its my moral imperative" situation. Putting kids at risk for accidental envenomation or infection due to a deep bite shouldn't be a matter of perspective. There are simply lines that everyone acknowledges shouldn't be crossed, and blatantly endangering kids is one of them. I thank god no one got tagged at that function.

yet you have no REAL evidence of any of it because none of it is true. It is just what you WANT to be true. You really need to learn to tell the difference.

No, of course I don't want it to be true. I want to believe that all people are basically good. I know that's not the reality, no one is perfect or good at all times, but for cripessakes there is something really wrong with people who think that fair use of copyrighted materials and not being a paragon of debate school clearly articulating your thoughts in each and every post is MORE OFFENSIVE than freehandling hots. I'm sorry Rich, I really tried not to make any of my posts in this thread exclusively about the NERD thread, but I am not the one who mentioned it by name again.

And again Rich, I think Karen is trying to make the point that it SEEMED related. You say it wasn't. That doesn't preclude someone from making the assumption that they are in fact related, since they followed a chronology that has already been laid out here ad nauseam.
 
Whitney,

You are the one playing symantics here. You are the one trying to twist the reality of the situations so it fits snuggly inside your conspiracy theory. I am done repeating myself. Good luck on finding your invisible 6 foot rabbits.
 
Jim O said:
Yes, Rich. Karen still has a bee in her bonnet over the NERD/venomoids thread and has decided we are all hypocrites. And she has moved her venom over to this thread since she can no longer post it on the one that is locked.

Dennis, did I miss anything salient?


No, I think that will about cover it. Except for the willful distortion of facts to lend a hand in her opinion.
 
So nobody defended him? Or were you just disappointed that he wasn't repeatedly bashed to smithereens by every member on Fauna?
 
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I still haven't read that entire NERD thread, and probably never will, either. But I have scanned through it. It probably was a good thing that the thread was originally posted when I was away from this site at the time. Otherwise the original poster would have gotten warning points from me for posting a BOI topic outside of the BOI. The thread would also have gotten deleted because the poster (crazycorn) was not a paid member, and that would have precluded my being able to move it into the BOI. In my opinion, the thread raised an ethical question, and as such, it should have been a BOI issue, not a general discussion topic as it was presented.

Like I said, probably a good thing. Want to bet that screams of bias because that thread had been deleted would be echoing far and wide? Something along the line that I was protecting NERD or something of that sort, I'll bet. Or am I biased towards the poster because I did not assess the warning points, and have not done so retroactively?

This "bias" thing is a tough one to avoid, eh?

Were the moderators biased because they did nothing about it? It probably looked like a hot potato to them and they didn't know WHAT to do about it in my absence.

But call me dense if you like, but I still don't see what the connection is with that NERD thread and (1) the accused changing of the rules about business transactions, and/or (2) the period of time when non-paying members could vote in the BOI GGC section when I was on my 1 week "sabbatical". Is that what this is really all about? Will someone just connect the dots for me?
 
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