Rich,
I find it hard to believe ou said the following:
Heck you have even attacked me over on my ArmsLocker forum claiming I am being negligent of some sort of duty I should have to moderate that forum and clean it up. But when I offered YOU the job, oh no, you certainly didn't want it! Saying it was too much work for you to do alone. Sheesh! That site at that time only have about 30 active members visiting it per day, and THAT was too much for you? Well, my friend, I was doing that site PLUS this site PLUS my CornSnakes.com site! Plus all of the rest of them AND my regular SerpenCo business. But when I put YOUR feet to the fire to take that job over, it's far too much for YOU to do. Even when I did put in another person plus yourself, I found that I still had to go in and catch stuff that apparently passed by you somehow. So after a period if that, I just threw in the towel and said to heck with moderating at all on that site.
Rich whom are you trying to kid. I volunteered to be a moderator before you even brought it up at armslocker, albeit with the caveat that someone else would also moderate. You said you did not think I should be one, remember that. Then suddenly after no one else would go for it you selected me and one other person. You say you had only 20 people there at that time, then why did you need mods? It was because, in my opinion (and yours to be sure), one poster was posting an extreme amount of trash posts containing vulgarity, smut, fighting words and boasting of his illegal activity while encouraging others to do illegal things. You know that to be true, would you like to call me an outright liar on this because there is a lot of proof that will not support what you have just implied.
One guy has over 4,000 posts at that site, and that is under just one of the screen names that he is believed to use (there are at least 2 or 3 others screen names for the same guy aren’t there). Get that over 15 posts per day from the same guy, and probably the majority of them contain such things as very nasty name calling, gender slurs, bragging about illegal activity, trying to incite illegal activity, more nasty name calling, and rehashed old posts over and over and over and over again and other bad stuff, as I saw it, and as you saw it. In addition to his posts, there are replies to them from the other members who often got as bad or worse than him. He lit the fuse and the whole place would blow up. Please do not make it sound as if was a tame place. Also bear in mind I was helping out, and for free. I was not the one who wanted to run a forum type web site, I just came along for the ride and offered help when you needed it. You have some nerve to say that my help was lacking when all you could do back then was rag on the other users and let the one trash pen keep writing whatever he wanted to write, but that was your choice and was ok by me because it was your site. I still offered help, and you cannot with a clear conscience deny that now, nor should you fault me for not having the time to help you more than I did. You knew of my caveat from the beginning, that I would moderate only if there was another mod. You accepted that then but, now have the nerve to fault me for it? Who is changing things around here, not me. By the way, you have no idea what else I had on my plate back then besides helping moderate your site. I even moderated while I was away on travel status for my job, from a pc in a hotel business center because I thought I should try to do it as much as possible. While you did know I may have had to travel a lot, you did not know what other things I had to keep my busy. In the heat of battle so to speak at armslocker, I was often working 12 hour days not including my three hours of commute time daily. Then I also had a home, a family, other interests, and other ventures to attend to. You were and are not the only one who has other pressing matters which to attend. I coach PAL, I edit my local herp society’s journal, I take care of my own animals (I even try to sell some of them) – I too in other words had a life beyond armslocker. I helped you plain and simple because I chose to do so, because I saw potential for that site as a good one and; I chose to help you in addition to what was already going on in my life. Reading all of the posts (yes I tried to read every post every time I moderated and I tried to moderate daily even if at 2 AM) on that site was no easy task when that one guy was posting on average 15 per day, with many replies from others and yet more stuff to read that were in threads not including the troublemaker. Funny how you fault me
just now!
As for saying you had to clean up what I missed who is kidding whom. Armslocker is one of the trashiest GUN oriented sites I have ever visited. You often admitted, in essence, just that. You never once faulted me, that I can recall (at least not to me) or my moderation style and only thanked me again and again for helping. Has that all suddenly changed because you are mad at me now?
Here are some excerpts of things you wrote in the moderators forum at armslocker.com:
This one is at
http://www.armslocker.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29393
Actually if the gunkid goon squad had been on the up and up, I probably would have banned John Davis. But as it became more evident what was going on, I was not, and AM not going to let someone railroad me into doing what THEY want me to do. John Davis was actually getting better in his posting, and that just drove the wolf pack to distraction. So as it became evident that conflict is what they all want, and I (and any moderators) would be forever editing and deleting their crap, I just game them exactly what they apparently wanted, and definitely deserve.
It's just not worth putting the effort into for those clowns. I'm not about to shut down the site. I am having a great time watching those guys go through all kinds of contortions to try to intimidate me. Hell, I've been eating that kind of crap from the BOI for years now, so it doesn't even faze me.
Just laugh at them along with me, Glenn. That's exactly what they deserve, and is the best defense against trolls.
Thanks.
And this one at:
http://www.armslocker.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29275
Not shutting it down, but just abandoning any effort to moderate and make these people act like fully mature adults. SatCong got his panties in a wad because I called him down on being just as much a problem as Gunkid is on this site, so I guess these people believe that I should just be anti-Gunkid just like they are and ONLY moderate his posts.
Well, it don't work that way. If moderation is going to take place at all, it is going to be evenly dispensed and as fair as I can possibly make it. Otherwise there will be NO moderation at all. And I will also remove the profanity blocks as well and let them have what they want.
At this point, I just don't see the point in making any effort and wasting my time on these people. I am willing to listen to you guys give me guidance, but I am STRONGLY leaning in that direction right now.
Aslan - did you give up moderation? I had to moderate posts that you had obviously seen. Did you quit on me? Can't say I would blame you. Not an easy job, now is it?
I still don't see you criticizing my moderation style, or saying that it was lacking. Do you?
And this one, also at: ://www.armslocker.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29275
I
have decided to abandon all moderation on this site. It just is not worth the time and effort. I have sites with a LOT more members then this one and don't have 1/100th of the headaches this one gives me. I, and certainly you and Glenn, have better things to do with our time then playing pattycake with these people on here.
So I am going to just go ahead and let them make fools of themselves.
I will read and respond to messages of my own personal interest, and to hell with the rest of it.
Thanks.
I still don't see it! Show me anything from the special Moderators Forum that indicates that I was not doing a decent job of trying to hold back the tidal wave of bad posts at that site. Go ahead, show us all PLEASE Rich show us. Yet, now you have the nerve to write this:
So as far as I am concerned, I gave you your chance to prove yourself with your "help", and I found it lacking.
You Rich are the one who gave up, not me. You are the one who let them do the what you say in the following:
Yeah. I'm hoping that if they have to wallow around in their own crap for a while, maybe they will get tired of the smell and be more receptive to paying more attention to the quality of their own posts instead of blaming it all on someone else.
Thanks
You surely tout yourself as someone other than a guy who would twist things around as I see you just did to make me look like a bad guy both at this and yet the armslocker site! In fact you think quite highly of yourself (seehttp://www.armslocker.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29185) :
I try to be fair, open minded, and give everyone the benefit of the doubt. And most of all, just because I run a message board doesn't mean I know anything more then anyone else who visits it. I've seen far too many site admins get smitten with the God syndrome.......
No Rich, I am not a knight in shining armor, nor am I looking for the Boogey Man. I was raising an issue, albeit one that you did not like, that I thought was quite pertinent to the way this site is now being run. I have not changed, over all the years I have used this site, in the way I post things that other may not like. That is not being a troll, that is airing things out that I believe are important. I did not set any bait or lure as someone would in trolling - you changed the way things are run, you brought up the fee for acceptance of good guy certification, and I brought up something with it that could potentially be a problem. Yes it was a tough question, and how do you respond: Again you, in my opinion, respond by calling me names, by twisting the truth (about armslocker), by getting pissed off and not thinking things out, and saying I think I am right and others just do not understand me. No that is not it at all. I know others can and do understand me, I give them credit for their ability to understand. I also understand that other and myself often disagree. So what, is that wrong, must we all see it your way now? I also post respectfully in the great majority of instances (my brief stint of bad posts at armslocker notwithstanding, as I was trying to fight fire with fire for a short time until I saw it did not work). I also happen to know that most others will not raise such issues because they are afraid of getting you pissed off, or because they do not want to bother, or because they don't see it my way at all. I did see what I saw and I raised the issue for open discussion, that is all I did. I am not saying I am right, I am discussing an issue, and mostly asking if others see it that way. I wanted some other opinions before I made up my mind on the issue. Funny though how I asked a question on one thing, and something totally ff topic is what probably will make up my mind for me. Of course I am referring to the statements you made about me and my moderation at armslocker. I think the armslocker thing has just about made up my mind.
As for you refunding my donation. whom are you again trying to kid. Does that make you feel as if you have done your penance? Is that blood money so to speak. Or isn’t that just like the kid saying I am taking my ball and leaving cause I don’t like you. Yeah it is the same kind of mentality – here I don’t want it because the grapes are just sour anyhow. Funny though, you have always taken my money quite readily, even this last $25 that is until I raise an issue that you really do not like. It was your money to do with as you pleased, once you received it from me, now you have returned it - but do not say it was not meant as a donation - all my money to you was always meant to support you and your site as have been meant these posts that pee you off so badly. I was not throwing it in your face, I brought it up because of how many times people have, in essence, asked me if I wanted a free ride on your site or implied that I want to be a free loader.
As I said, it was your money and, you gave it back to me. That is fine. As I said many times, this is your site to do with as you please even if I think it a mistake. The thing is though you have usually allowed people to point out when they think you are making a mistake, or when they think there could be a potential problem for you to nip in the bud. As you invited, I gave my thoughts in things on these forums. You never said anything about you having to like them or about them having to be easy butt kissing nicities for you to love. Your reaction really surprises me after all I have read that you have written about others, what I have read that you wrote about this site, and after what I read what you have written about other herp sites and their practices. I never say myself as the white knight Rich, you got that wrong in the extreme. I was one of many of the knights servants. You were always the white knight Rich, at least that is how your many of your membership perceived you, don’t you get it. You were the guy saving us from the crappy herp sites and the unscrupulous herp dealers. You were the one pushing ethics to the max for the herp industry and for herp related web sites. We all just followed along. I am sorry but, now I see some tarnish in that armor after receiving my biggest surprise. I guess the thing I find most surprising and hardest to believe about you is that you would so blatantly twist out of shape the whole thing at armslocker, because twisted out of shape is certainly what it appears to me that you have done just to make me look like a bad guy here. Absolutely unbelievable….
Sincerely,
Glenn B
