Inquiry is usark scamming the reptile industry

[Culebra]

Rodney has a point, a long point, but valid. An organization purporting to protect our rights then throwing us under the bus (with the use of our donation $) to state legislators.

 

[JCCS]

If you can point to where USARK performed this alleged pushing, then you may have a point as well. As with all of Rodney's postings, your post shows not a shred of evidence for said pushing.

Chris

 

[Gloryhound]

Out of Rodney's last 200 posts less than 10 of them were not something in some way against USARK.

When you beat a drum too hard you no longer have music, you only have noise.

 

[rodneynboalich]

The following link will answer some of the questions as to how the FWS was able to add 4 of the 9 to the Lacey Act. There was no compromise on behalf of USARK. It's a good read even though the reasoning is flawed...

http://www.fws.gov/home/feature/2012/pdfs/FoursnakesQsAs11612.pdf

thanks for posting that ill have to read it latter when i have some more time

 

[rodneynboalich]

The species banned have all been found in the wild in the Glades. I don't believe that the other five have been documented loose in the wild.

ok well your wrong about this. python natalensis has not been found in the glads and i guarantee that since there arnt any in the country. there has been a large aound of boas living in FL for 10 or 20 years so why were they not kept on the list and why weren't retics kept on the list. well let see. some of usarks big backs breed boas and andrew wyatt owns retics. yet natalensis was kept on when there arnt even any in the states and yellows were kept on because its rumored the two were found in the wild in FL.

if you cant see that there is an agenda for usark you are all blind

 

[rodneynboalich]

sure. but can I borrow some money? You know it takes money to even file right?


and for goddness sakes. This was not a USARK compromise. <---- Can you read that? There was no compromising here. USARK was fighting the WHOLE thing. How hard is that to understand? I thought I printed it up in plain english. There was no compromise with this ban. sheesh

if yu dont care enough to spend some of your own money to fight for your rights then dont bitch when they are taken away. since your such a big snake breeder you should have plenty of money to spend

 

[AW2EOD]

if yu dont care enough to spend some of your own money to fight for your rights then dont bitch when they are taken away. since your such a big snake breeder you should have plenty of money to spend

With such an ignorant comment, you people are really gonna continue to argue with this guy? Is it really worth your time and headache, knowing he's still gonna be a nut job, not listen a bit of rationality and still try and pick apart USARK?

Rodney, how much money have you donated, to the cause? I mean, we all know you're a millionaire, since you claim to be a big breeder, when you're not.

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

ok well your wrong about this. python natalensis has not been found in the glads and i guarantee that since there arnt any in the country. there has been a large aound of boas living in FL for 10 or 20 years so why were they not kept on the list and why weren't retics kept on the list. well let see. some of usarks big backs breed boas and andrew wyatt owns retics. yet natalensis was kept on when there arnt even any in the states and yellows were kept on because its rumored the two were found in the wild in FL.

if you cant see that there is an agenda for usark you are all blind

Rodney do you think you can split that hair any finer?????

There have been at least two African Rocks found in the glades...they grabbed the subspecies as well. If you have nothing material to add...step away from the keyboard.

Incidentally...could you try and present some of the crap you spout as evidence without using the phrases

"it's rumored"

"I heard that somebody said"

"The people I speak to said"

"Rumor has it"


It's paranoid conspiracy crap through and through anyways but when you preface it with phrases like that it is hearsay as well.

 

[WebSlave]

Incidentally...could you try and present some of the crap you spout as evidence without using the phrases

"it's rumored"

"I heard that somebody said"

"The people I speak to said"

"Rumor has it"


It's paranoid conspiracy crap through and through anyways but when you preface it with phrases like that it is hearsay as well.

Just a note here that the rules for posting on the BOI specifically prohibit anonymous third party quotes, which would apply to the above admonition about such quotes from the noted OP. Such postings made within this forum will earn the poster infractions for violations of that rule, which can cumulatively lead to an automatic ban.

If a statement cannot be determined to have actual ownership, and that owner's responsibility for what was quoted clearly defined, then it has no place on the BOI.

 

[HerpVenue]

Rodney has a point, a long point, but valid. An organization purporting to protect our rights then throwing us under the bus (with the use of our donation $) to state legislators.

Wow. Now you are going to make the same points that Rodney is. Even though they have already been shut down.

But I will entertain you too.

Follow the link
http://www.usark.org/positionstatements.php
in it you will find the following quote

Support - Legislation for responsible regulation of large snake species, venomous reptiles and crocodilians as outlined by USARK.

Oppose - Legislation designating any reptiles as Dangerous or Inherently Dangerous; or banning the private ownership and trade in any reptiles based on unsubstantiated and false claims of public safety risk.

They support regulation but oppose banning based on unsubstatiated and false claims.

You say he makes a valid point. Can you show me proof of these points? You can't say something is a fact and it will all of a sudden magically be a fact.

the tittle said USARK is scamming. Up to now there is still no scamming.

 

[HerpVenue]

some of usarks big backs breed boas and andrew wyatt owns retics. yet natalensis was kept on when there arnt even any in the states and yellows were kept on because its rumored the two were found in the wild in FL.

if you cant see that there is an agenda for usark you are all blind

little hint. USARK backers also own burms. I guess you accidentally forgot on purpose

if yu dont care enough to spend some of your own money to fight for your rights then dont bitch when they are taken away.

choice between feeding my kids and putting food on the table. hang on I am still thinking Wait a second. Do you have proof that I have not donated any money to USARK? I am not talking snake donation which is pretty easy. I am talking CASH. Proof?

since your such a big snake breeder you should have plenty of money to spend

wait Now I am a BIG snake breeder when you want me to be and it suits your arguement. But I thought earlier you said the following in the quotes below

i just read his little bio on here. hes only been keeping reptiles since 1997 1998.

im guessing hes a big nobody in the reptile community.

dont waste your time arguing with him.

Like I said before. You keep chaning your arguements and points of view.........

i hate to tell everyone this but i think it would have been better if all he snakes were left on the list. we will have to take it to court now and if they had listed a bunch of snake unnecessarily it would have been more ammo to discredit the ban altogether but since usark is think fighting and compromise is the same thing this is what we get.

all you people that have so much faith in usark why arnt they here of all days to talk to the people they claim to represent.

i am glad my retics didnt make the list though guess its a good thing me and andrew keep the same kind of snakes

It almost sounds like you are saying the snakes they banned are okay to ban. Sounds like you are saying the only chance we have is IF they would have added others that were not necessary to ban. I think that is what you are saying. Let me find more stuff.

as retarded as this post is i have to agree with the part about these animals being dangerous. i think its a big mistake for usark to say these animals arnt dangerous. from the perspective of a law maker i would quickly point out to usark if these animals are safe why are they suggesting regulations for them. i think we need to admit they are dangerous just like a gun or a car or a dog or anything else that has the possibility of causing harm. but i really dont think the tiger in the neighbors back yard is realistic analogy unless your neighbor happens to be your local zoo.

really your worried about your rights not to have your child eaten by a tropical predator. is that really an issue in your neighborhood.

Sounds like Rodney here is in agreement of the regulations. Yet here he is saying USARK is a scammer and then only complains about aforementioned regulations.

Wishy Washy?

 

[ajakana]

Stay on topic

Seems to me that "i can't take those type of risk with a child envolved" means that you think your snakes are dangerous.
Also, ask anyone involved with the criminal justice system, ignorance of the law is no excuse.

If you can't stay on topic which i said this isn't about me then that's your own issue,with that being said god bless and have a nice day.

 

[ajakana]

hmmmm

Your posts make me go "wow", too.

This:

I like your style.

Thank you

 

[Shadera]

OP, if you have some hard evidence that USARK has been anything but up front and honest, with keepers' best interests in mind, then by all means post it up.

Otherwise all you're doing is causing division (albeit a small one), in a community that now more than ever needs to stand UNITED. Is that really the best thing to do right now? (Oh and, I'm still digging the change for the lawyer's retainer fee outta the cushions of my Bentley collection so my apologies ahead of time if I don't get that suit filed by the deadline.)

When it comes right down to it, it doesn't matter which organization we fight under. All that matters, is that we DO fight. And not amongst ourselves, as you and H$U$ would have us do. And really, what business is it of yours who private people choose to give their private money to? I get the distinct impression that this whole thing is more about male ego than it is about who's taking whose money.

Post some legitimate proof of anything, not just heresay or accusations, and you might get more of an ear.

 

[rcpreis3]

ok well your wrong about this. python natalensis has not been found in the glads and i guarantee that since there arnt any in the country. there has been a large aound of boas living in FL for 10 or 20 years so why were they not kept on the list and why weren't retics kept on the list. well let see. some of usarks big backs breed boas and andrew wyatt owns retics. yet natalensis was kept on when there arnt even any in the states and yellows were kept on because its rumored the two were found in the wild in FL.

if you cant see that there is an agenda for usark you are all blind

Actually i believe there is only one population of boas in Fl, on a ranch way south, more southern then the everglades. Correct me if im wrong, but i believe they are called Davis boas... Ill have to re-research them and post links when im home on the comp, not on the phone. And retics have been found in the glades, anyone who watched python hunters knows that. Seriously stop spewing crap u dont even know to be true. Ur just making things up as u go hoping we dont catch them and correct u.

 

[FireStorm]

Copied and pasted from University of FL website (http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/uw286):

"Other large nonnative snakes—such as the common boa (Boa constrictor), green anaconda (Eunectes murinus), yellow anaconda (Eunectes notaeus), and reticulated python (Python reticulatus)—have been observed in the wild in South Florida, but only Burmese pythons and common boas are known to be breeding. Boas have been breeding since approximately 1970 in the Charles Deering Estate at Cutler, southern Miami-Dade County. Boas have also been reported elsewhere in South Florida, but without evidence of breeding."

 

[rcpreis3]

Copied and pasted from University of FL website (http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/uw286):

"Other large nonnative snakes—such as the common boa (Boa constrictor), green anaconda (Eunectes murinus), yellow anaconda (Eunectes notaeus), and reticulated python (Python reticulatus)—have been observed in the wild in South Florida, but only Burmese pythons and common boas are known to be breeding. Boas have been breeding since approximately 1970 in the Charles Deering Estate at Cutler, southern Miami-Dade County. Boas have also been reported elsewhere in South Florida, but without evidence of breeding."

Thank you, that is exactly what i was talking about.

 

[rodneynboalich]

so then why were they taking off the list

 

[ROBERT SIDERS]

Rodney , continue to question authority , as GREAT americans , i.e. Patrick Henry. jJohn Adams, ETC,always have , but the reality is that even webslave doesnt give you and I the same latitude as he gives the others , WE were attacked by several people and he did nothing .Iapologized and was still given 3 days to think about it.The fact is that our creed which is PROTECTED bylaw , remember creed is Any accepted system of belief or practice ,WE MUST STAND TOGETHER or all of us will lose our rights asfor BURMS , THAT LAWSUIT is being filed no matter what USARK does , you know Ionly keep HOTS but fight for the right to CHOOSE Vote out anyone ignoring our right to creed

 

[AW2EOD]

Hey Rodney...are you going to come to Tinley Park, IL for NARBC in March?

Put your money where you're mouth is. I personally invite you to be there, to show your support. Get a presentation together and talk to the big names, in the industry, about your ideas.

March 17th & 18th in Tinley Park. Mike Wilbanks, Andrew Wyatt, A Rep from PIJAC, Jeff Barringer, Dave Barker, Bill Brant etc. They're all going to be attending, to show support and rally the troops, to get this ban overturned.

What do you say?