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Isn't this ILLEGAL

It is not stated in the ad which shipper will be used.
The price though is $200 shipped for one and $180 for each extra. With that, one could assume they are using an overnight carrier, but it is not stated as such.
Before passing judgement on this person's shipping methods you'd need to ask them how they intend to ship the snakes.
 
With that, one could assume they are using an overnight carrier, but it is not stated as such.
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It is, however, implied. The last I heard, Delta, Northwest, et al, don't deliver door to door.
 
You are correct Ken. I read that ad at least 5 times to make sure I was reading it correctly and the "to your door" just didn't register.

So the answer to the original question is yes it is illegal. While it may technically be harmless to ship venomoids as such, there is no distinction made and it would still wreak havoc if something were to go wrong.
 
Even though a venemoid is "harmless" since the alteration, wouldn't the shipper AND the receiver be in a LOT of legal trouble if something did happen? The poor person delivering it would not know if was an altered snake. All they would see is a rattlesnake. Price is good for a venemoid but boy would I be scared ####less to have that thing going door to door delivery.
 
Steve,

Your are absolutely right. This kind of lack of responsibility is what we don't need in our hobby. I would either report it to kingsnake. Or put them up in the BOI.

Regards.
 
I don't understand what the problem is. He said they are venomoids and he has the papers to prove it. Is it illegal to ship a venomoid?

I just don't see the problem...what am I missing??
 
Sybella,

Usually the carriers such as UPS and Airborne will not knowingly ship snakes. The likelihood for this shipment to go unidentified with the species is thus high (thus violating the Lacey act). If by any chance the snakes escapes (which has happened in the past), how would you like to be confronted (as a worker for the carrier) with a rattlesnake which you don't actually know it's a venomoid? How would you think this would reflect on the herp community?
 
A rattlesnake is a raqttlesnake is a rattlesnake. There exists, nor should there exist, any legal difference between a venomous snake and a venomoid snake.
 
Shipping

Not to mention Liability!!!!!! A person would not have to be bitten....can you say punitive damages.....??? What if a person were to injure themselves trying to get away from what they would of course consider a "venomous" species. Heart attack is possible in persons with certain fears.....In this case an identifiable species that is usually considered otherwise dangerous. Plus we all know that carriers take "special care of our boxes and never damage them....Yeah right. I know of 2 cases were people were charged or sued when boxes did not clearly identify the species being shipped and the boxes were broken open or the specimen escaped. Take the extra time and a little extra money and do it right. Just my 2 cents for what it's worth.
 
From what I understand, venemoid operations are not done by licensed veterinarians. There's a possibility that the surgery was not successful in completely removing the venom-delivering capabilities. And I have heard that if the method used was just cutting the venom duct (instead of removing the entire gland) that it can repair itself, leaving you with a deadly animal.
 
How much is a genetic stripe boa worth?

I'm puzzled by some ads posting genetic stripe boas for under $200. Some of the larger breeders are selling theirs (Clark origin) for $10,000 a pair or $4,000 for a lone male. What do people understand by genetic stripe, and what's the basis for their pricing system? Again, to jump or not to jump?
 
Well,

The post above should have gone on a different thread. What was I thinking of?

My apologies.
 
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