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Bad Guy Jared ohsman reptile mogul exotics FRAUD!

Teatime
I responded to Robert personally as his sounded the most heated and unreasonable to me......I still stand behind Jim and when I say he had to go back to school, we are not talking a kid here, we are talking college........if he contacted the owner an hour after purchasing these snakes, why then did the owner not have him come right back down? And what does it matter if it is the owner he deal with or a staff member, how easy is it to tell Jim to just bring the snakes back for a refund, not like someone else is not going to buy them, he is not gonna loose any money over it and if his staff is not competent to do this transaction they should not be working there...........So to sum it up Jarad wants Jim to wait on him to return from a show, however Jim has to be back at school, so Jarad knowing this, why not end it all and just refund his money and they both go their seperate ways? I just think everyone is jumping on Jim and he is the one who got screwed in this deal. I have 15 Ball Pythons and have never run into an owner who was so unyiedling, I had one breeder replace a baby for me a month after I had it and it passed away due to not thriving, no questions asked and I did not even ask her to, I only informed her of the death of the snake, she insisted on replacing it. Now that is the kind of breeder I like to deal with, it was not her fault yet she wanted me a happy customer.
I am done with this conversation. It is too late now for anything to be done and I don't think Jim acted too fast, he already had his answer from Jarad so what was done was done and not to his satisfaction, so why not warn others of his experience as soon as possible?
 
Jim,

Just curious, but when you were in the shop picking up the snakes did you happen to have Jared and someone else sex the snakes before you took them???
When you sexed them yourself how deep did the probe go on the suspected female?
How experienced are YOU at probing snakes?
Did Jared know that you had to be back at school on Monday?
And once you found out you had two males, what kind of demands did you have for him?

The reason I am asking all this is to find out a little more how the whole thing went down.

Scott Austin
 
Finally time for my side....

First of all I want to thank all of you who had a sensible outlook and saw my point of view without it even being made. I feel like you all read this for exactly what it was without my input.

NEEDLESS to say I am not happy about the situation..

To start it all off on October 24th I was expecting some new arrivals so I asked Andrea to post the "pair" (I myself probed the animals before the post to be sure) of carpets as a 2 for 1 deal TODAY only, MUST pick up and pay in full TODAY to receive the deal. I agreed to hold the animals with NO deposit due to a long term customer relationship.

I received a call Saturday that Jim was upset and the carpets were both males. After speaking with Damon (who also probed them in front of the customer before purchase and got 1.1) I said I would take care of it when I returned. If we were wrong we would take care of it weather replace one or refund (we have a no refund policy. We will gladly replace items, animals etc if they were defective or miss sexed etc at time of purchase. I am very confident in my abilities and my assistants abilities, that being said we all make mistakes I just had to see it myself before handling it. I was informed he had to be back at school and I asked Damon to tell him we would work it out when he was back in town and could meet or he could have someone else bring them by. I was also told that he seemed ok and did not give the impression that we couldn't work it out. then he posted this immediately after. Kind of irrational..

Jim is fairly new to probing as far as i know and not long ago came to us to sex for him. I am not saying hes not experienced, or is not right, I am just saying between Damon and I we have more years experience than Jim is years old. I had to question the situation. I know carpets probe deeper than most and are easily miss sexed. Either of us can make a mistake I am still confident that Jim left here with a pair. If not I am happy to refund his money as long as they are in the same condition they left in. I just need to see it for myself.

We have never had a return for a missexed animal. I am proud to say that and I am even prouder to admit I can make a mistake. I gave Jim the opertunity to contact me when I returned and have not heard from him.

As far as not having a phone, I didnt have a charger and didnot want to waste battery.

Comparing to petco or petsmart is hilarious!! you never get a guarantee of sex at either one. they may take returns but that just promotes impulse buying which we urge against.

I contacted Jim via facebook from a friends tablet Saturday night after the show and after hearing about this post hoping to take care of this and he gives no response so I take i he figured out he was wrong after all... The BOI damage is done. After a post like that you cant expect to get your money back. I am open to suggestions I want ALL of my customers to be happy and to feel appreciated because you all are, We would not be here if not for the loyal repeat customers. The last thing we would do is try to defraud ANYONE! I have been an inactive member for years and not a single complaint.

-Jim \ Jenny, If you want to call the store and set up a time to come by and handle this civilly, I will see if I can have some other experienced volunteers here to sex them, if it turns out we made a mistake and you were sold 2 males we will talk about how to fix it at that time. 480-307-6330

Thank all of you again who "had my back" and were confident enough in me to post without even hearing my side, That means way more to me than Jim's slanderous post.

-Jared
Reptile Mogul Exotics
 
@ scott I have 15 years experience with the care of reptiles and I am a registered vet tech specializing in reptiles. When the snakes were probed at the shop Damon probed them and got a count of 6 which is an odd scale count.When i returned home as i do will all my snakes i probed the animals once again so i could place the correct snake in the correct cage.When i probed the animals i got a count of 12 on one and 13 on the other snake anything over 10 is a definite male.In respose to jared yes he did contact me and no he did not offer to resolve the issue.Like i told him I gave him his chance and i can compare this to petco or any other business.I have run this scenario by other shop owners in the area and they all asked the same question i did.Why didn't he just have Damon swap out the snake or give a refund?Like i told Damon to mention to Jared I was fine with store credit.I will be posting a video on youtube of me probing the snake in question. I did not figure i was wrong i did respond to jared and still have the responses if everyone would like to see them i will be glad to share them.This is going to be my last post regarding this issue as i have better things to do then worry about someones shotty business practices.Jared you know you were wrong and need to place yourself in my shoes.you knew i was in school and that I am pressed for time.I have placed myself in your shoes and as a business owner the only thing that continuously repeated in my mind was no matter where you go your business is there for you to handle 24 hours a day 7 days a week.Its your responsibility whether you are in the shop the state the country or on another continent.You obviously do not get that and your actions have proven it. Another thing is you now admit to talking to damon on the phone but in the message you sent via Facebook you said you would not have a phone until you returned to the valley. So which is it Jared or was that a lie ? I am gonna post those messages. and then this is done.
 
in my message I said I have no phone.

I also explained in my post that I had limited battery and no charger. I did briefly talk to Damon, shortly after my phone died completely.

I really dont care what the sexes are anymore, Its not about that any more. I told you via Damon I would be more than happy to take care of it when I got back I understand you are busy and had school, I too am busy. We ""drop any cash over $50.00 for saftey. I am the only one that has access to the safe. there was no way to refund you. You post lies because you dont have any patients thats just rude and immature. We held the animals for over a week to wait for you to get back in town as a favor, I guess I see what happens when I bend the rules for someone...



As far as credit that was never mentioned because Damon and andrea can issue credit per my approval. First I heard of credit was today when i finally got to read this post. If credit would have been acceptable it would have been done. I had first thought it was a credit card purchase and cash was being demanded. I believe now cash was paid. either way

On any note if you want anything done if we have made a mistake, you should contact me personally at the store to discuss it. wineing to the public that could give a s### less about it isnt going to help. They cant fix it.
 
So, the professional you trusted until very recently to do your sexing for you probed to six, then you (a much less experienced prober) probed to 12 or 13? I'm cringing for that poor snake.
 
I don't know that it matters at this point, but if he goes to school in Flagstaff at NAU, that is in state and not all that far away.

Also, I've talked with Jared on multiple occasions and always seemed a stand-up guy, although I've never actually purchased an animal from him.
 
definitely a premature post at best. You also used the word "fraud." That implies that the store knowingly sold you 2 males under the pretense of it being a pair. It's also a felony. Not really a word to throw around. I don't know if you were just trying to get people's attention with this thread (worked one me, I guess) but calling a man a fraud when at WORST he made an honest mistake and is taking slightly longer than your (unreasonable) demands is way over the line.
 
I'm. With everyone else here. Jared would have made it right, PERIOD! You jumped the gun entirely. Jared and I even talked about this and he was concerned Sunday at the show. So basically like Tom said now you went and blew a probe through Jareds female and probably ruined her chances for her ever breeding for him. Cause we all know the customer aka YOU are always right. I don't think so on this one, you've done damage to a good business man posting an uncalled for BOI thread and your gonna get your refund on a snake you damaged!

I've known Jared for years, this would have been made right when he got back Monday.
 
jims72 said:
I have 15 years experience with the care of reptiles and I am a registered vet tech specializing in reptiles.
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Jim, I did not see your license here, perhaps I searched the wrong way?
http://www.vetboard.az.gov/LicDir/licenseeSearch.aspx#

chongorojo said:
blew a probe through Jareds female and probably ruined her chances for her ever breeding for him.
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If Jim indeed is licensed as he claims, I think a complaint to the licensing board may be in order if this critter was in fact injured by the probing process.
 
jims72 said:
@ scott I have 15 years experience with the care of reptiles and I am a registered vet tech specializing in reptiles. When the snakes were probed at the shop Damon probed them and got a count of 6 which is an odd scale count.When i returned home as i do will all my snakes i probed the animals once again so i could place the correct snake in the correct cage.When i probed the animals i got a count of 12 on one and 13 on the other snake anything over 10 is a definite male.In respose to jared yes he did contact me and no he did not offer to resolve the issue.Like i told him I gave him his chance and i can compare this to petco or any other business.I have run this scenario by other shop owners in the area and they all asked the same question i did.Why didn't he just have Damon swap out the snake or give a refund?Like i told Damon to mention to Jared I was fine with store credit.I will be posting a video on youtube of me probing the snake in question. I did not figure i was wrong i did respond to jared and still have the responses if everyone would like to see them i will be glad to share them.This is going to be my last post regarding this issue as i have better things to do then worry about someones shotty business practices.Jared you know you were wrong and need to place yourself in my shoes.you knew i was in school and that I am pressed for time.I have placed myself in your shoes and as a business owner the only thing that continuously repeated in my mind was no matter where you go your business is there for you to handle 24 hours a day 7 days a week.Its your responsibility whether you are in the shop the state the country or on another continent.You obviously do not get that and your actions have proven it. Another thing is you now admit to talking to damon on the phone but in the message you sent via Facebook you said you would not have a phone until you returned to the valley. So which is it Jared or was that a lie ? I am gonna post those messages. and then this is done.
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That would indicate a female.

Randal
 
Lucille,
I suspect your correct. IF Jim is a Vet Tech, he isn't licensed in Arizona. He may hold a license from another state, but can't work in Arizona as a vet tech (which belittles his aurgument) until he's licensed in Arizona.
 
If he is certified in the state of Arizona, then he is good to work as a technician. He can be licensed from another state and is able to work in the state of Az, just has to be transferred here. There are three "stages" of being papered as a vet tech: certified, licensed and registered (cvt, lvt or rvt). Its based on state and education level and which test(s) have been passed.

Im confused, what exactly indicates a female ??
 
reticguy76 said:
If he is certified in the state of Arizona, then he is good to work as a technician. He can be licensed from another state and is able to work in the state of Az, just has to be transferred here. There are three "stages" of being papered as a vet tech: certified, licensed and registered (cvt, lvt or rvt). Its based on state and education level and which test(s) have been passed.

Im confused, what exactly indicates a female ??
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The number of sub-caudal scales is significantly less on females than males. If he or someone probed 6 scales deep on one, and 12-14 on the other, it's a pair, with the high count of sub-caudals indicating a male.
 
I havnt had any problems with the shop the other shops in town like him and say he is legit and a good guy. The employees he has there which are a young girl and a guy. I dont think they do any of the probing themselves which is why he most likely wanted to verify this himself before returning the animal. I know that it I sexed something and was wrong id be curious about my mistake, which in Jared's many years of experience would be unlikely. I think his two employees just handle feeders and sales of animals while jared is away and hes almost never there. As far as my experience hes very helpful and friendly. Its wrong to throw him under the bus after a day
 
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