Jason Sobek,The Arachnoporium(Bad Guy)

[MikeCurtin]

My name's Mike Curtin and I'm in NJ. I don't know you either, but from what I've seen on this thread, a seller on your site needs to beat someone for $4500 to come close to being banned from selling. In addition, you delete records/complaints/proof about said transaction because they're not productive. Lastly, negative reviews on this seller are nowhere to be found. If this is inaccurate in any way, please correct me and I will profoundly apologize for doubting the integrity of the way things are done there.

 

[John Apple]

Look, I don't know you, and I'm not interested in escalating your little insinuation that we are some kind of club for scammers. When you have somethign to say to someone's face, let us know. Have a GREAT day.

heh heh funny man...I feel the same way when typing as there is no face to face. Tom ....arachnoboards does stick to the guns, I have made some loot there. Generally I DO enjoy the site and some of the folks there

 

[AF Exotics]

Tom I get the picture your painting.I understand the need to keep a level of civility on the AB,no beef with that here.I just don't get the idea of letting someone continue to post items for sale when there is that issue hanging over them.There is a methodical approach I see and understand,but he should've lost his privilege to post until it was resolved.That is the problem I have.It portrays him as a good vendor when all you see is favorable reviews,when that is clearly not the case.I see that as wrong and misleading.Nothing will change my mind,face to face,phone to phone,keyboard to keyboard.He stole from me and was allowed to sell my stolen stock,and some of Botar's too.I have been respectful of the site,and everyone on it,because my issue is with Jason,but WISH the AB would've handled it differently.Enough on the AB,JASON IS THE PROBLEM.PERIOD

 

[MikeCurtin]

It portrays him as a good vendor when all you see is favorable reviews,when that is clearly not the case.I see that as wrong and misleading.Nothing will change my mind,face to face,phone to phone,keyboard to keyboard.He stole from me and was allowed to sell my stolen stock,and some of Botar's too.

This was the reason for my earlier comment, and like I said, if I was mistaken, I'll be first to admit it and apologize. Just seems that with no repercussions, Jason (and perhaps folks like him) can do as they will and benefit at the expense of those they've stiffed.

 

[AF Exotics]

Michael,I appreciate the sentiment.I think we all can agree that the AB isn't the culprit here.It is Jason Sobek.I hope he develops some integrity and changes his ways.Maybe he will bump his head(not a threat) and remember the people who trusted him and tried to help him.Maybe not.

The culprit here is JASON SOBEK.

 

[MikeCurtin]

Michael,I appreciate the sentiment.I think we all can agree that the AB isn't the culprit here.It is Jason Sobek.I hope he develops some integrity and changes his ways.Maybe he will bump his head(not a threat) and remember the people who trusted him and tried to help him.Maybe not.

The culprit here is JASON SOBEK.

I can agree with that, and I wish you the best of luck...I probably came off sounding like a jerk, but a little extra oversight couldn't hurt.

 

[ravensgait]

Tom why not take a look at this thread it's about a known scammer who pops from site to site scamming folks and the admin and members of those sites got all upset just because people tried to help them by WARNING them about the guy! http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=110474

I wonder what happens the next time one of your members gets scammed by someone You Knew was a bad guy and yet removed post that could have warned others and turned a blind eye. I'd bet a good deal of money the person would want to get into Your Face about it.. Randy

 

[AF Exotics]

Michael,you didn't sound like a jerk at all.Just legitimate questions.Jason is a scam artist until proven otherwise.Nothing and nobody is perfect and there were some things I would've liked to see happen,but that is the past now.Jason and his debt are current and dynamic.He owes me,Botar,his former landlord,an explanation to several hundreds,if not thousand of animals he left behind and this person from Egypt now.

Nice work Jason.I like your little motto on your former site.I guess the way you adapt is to become spineless and run from your responsibilities.

 

[McLovin]

after reading every post made on this topic, I feel sorry for you Marcus, it seems like you are ice skating uphill

... when we no longer wish them to sell at AB, we remove their ability to do so.

What a quote Tom. What is taking so long to ban Jason cuz if 5k ain't enough, then maybe your hand is in Marcus' cookie jar too perhaps?
Bob Delaune

 

[Mister Internet]

What a quote Tom. What is taking so long to ban Jason cuz if 5k ain't enough, then maybe your hand is in Marcus' cookie jar too perhaps?
Bob Delaune

Hi. You and I aren't on a first name basis as far as I'm aware, but our hands aren't in anyone's cookie jar. I've tried my best to explain our rationale, but I'm certainly not going to discuss our proceedings and every little conversation we've ever had about every shady character. Suffice it to say that things get dealt with when we feel it's needed. When more is needed, we shove people towards the BOI, because we don't want to deal with the crap. Save your conspiracy theories and insinuations for the real scammers, I'm not biting.

I think I'm done talking about this now, back to my hole I go.

 

[McLovin]

I've tried my best to explain our rationale, but I'm certainly not going to discuss our proceedings and every little conversation we've ever had about every shady character.

to be honest, I'm not either but this thread is about Jason not "every shady character"

When more is needed, we shove people towards the BOI, because we don't want to deal with the crap.

totally understood cuz everyone wants to run a civilized, informative and well respected site (who wouldn't)

Save your conspiracy theories and insinuations for the real scammers, I'm not biting.

I certainly will try, but who are the real scammers- oh yeah that would be Jason

... when we no longer wish them to sell at AB, we remove their ability to do so.

well if you are a know scammer and you are reading this, then you know what site you can advertise without consequences




black + white version for you if you are confused still

Jason took 5k
Jason won't return 5k
Jason (known scammer) can still advertise on your site selling stolen goods




perhaps you would feel different if that was your money
Bob Delaune


if anything in this post is incorrect, please correct me where I strayed off the beaten path

 

[ravensgait]

Quote ""if anything in this post is incorrect, please correct me where I strayed off the beaten path""

I think he headed off the beaten path and into his hole, though there is some question as to which of His Holes he was referring to.. Maybe that dark ring around his collar didn't come from sweat if ya know what I mean.

I don't know Tom your evasiveness here leaves me with a bad taste, instead of giving real answers to the questions posed you run off..

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Is there real proof that the critters this scum bag is selling on their site is stolen?? Someone want to get some screen shots of these adds for me.. Randy

 

[Otter_23]

I think it is pretty clear. Jason is a two bit thief. I guess what kind of irks me though is that he is allowed to sell stolen stuff on another site. If proof can be provided that the stock he is selling is stolen he should be banned immediately no if and or buts about it. Personally the way Marcus has conducted himself on this thread would make me want him as a member of my site and not a victim of my site.

 

[Mister Internet]

I think he headed off the beaten path and into his hole, though there is some question as to which of His Holes he was referring to.. Maybe that dark ring around his collar didn't come from sweat if ya know what I mean.

For real? I don't even KNOW you... heck, I've never even heard of you outside the BOI. Not two posts into our exchange on here, and you're already resorting to prurient remarks about my bodily orifices? Are you truly unable to engage an issue without gratuitous references to bodily orifices and toilet humor?

I don't know Tom your evasiveness here leaves me with a bad taste, instead of giving real answers to the questions posed you run off..

I'm taking a page from Rich's book, as we have done hundreds of times over the years at AB... sometimes you sit back and calculate the cost of an engagement, realize the cost is too high, and pass it by, preferring to win the war. There's no evasiveness involved... in fact, this didn't involve anyone here except those who seem to continually insinuate that AB turns a blind eye. We do not. In fact this latest revelation that Marcus still hasn't been paid may well end with Jason being disallowed to sell, but it's not a knee-jerk reaction, and it's certainly not a decision that's out for public perusal. It's really very simple.

Now I'm done... or evading. Whatever will help you sleep better tonight. Just leave off with any further remarks about my orifices, I gotta be honest, it really creeps me out.

 

[AF Exotics]

Tom,I don't think I tried to insinuate anything.I clearly stated that I believe he should've had his ability to sell on the AB suspended until the matter was resolved.No ambiguity on my part.If you were referring to others within this thread,then my bad,but the boy stole from me,and others,and was selling on the AB the very same stock he stole.

I gave him every ample chance to make good.He didn't.Some of the stock was very unique and brought in by only me at the time.Now,things have changed and others have followed suit and are importing from the same country,but it was definately my stock(this part for Randy's inquiry).

I give respect where it's due,and conduct myself the way I was taught,Treat people as you would want to be treated,if not,a quick snatch of your floating rib will remind you to respect your elders and act right(Dad wasn't very gentle).The issue is Jason,and will always be,until he makes right.

 

[MikeCurtin]

In fact this latest revelation that Marcus still hasn't been paid may well end with Jason being disallowed to sell, but it's not a knee-jerk reaction, and it's certainly not a decision that's out for public perusal. It's really very simple.

Now I'm done... or evading. Whatever will help you sleep better tonight.

Well, I for one will sleep better knowing that theives will not be allowed to use your site to sell the stolen property which they stole from members of your site...well at least not for any longer than six months...without facing a strong warning...or at least some consideration of being "disallowed to sell". Whew! The public at large sure dodged the bullet on that one!

Again, feel free to point out any inaccuracies in that last statement. It's late and I may be WAY off base here

 

[Mister Internet]

Tom,I don't think I tried to insinuate anything.I clearly stated that I believe he should've had his ability to sell on the AB suspended until the matter was resolved.No ambiguity on my part.If you were referring to others within this thread,then my bad,but the boy stole from me,and others,and was selling on the AB the very same stock he stole.

I gave him every ample chance to make good.He didn't.Some of the stock was very unique and brought in by only me at the time.Now,things have changed and others have followed suit and are importing from the same country,but it was definately my stock(this part for Randy's inquiry).

I give respect where it's due,and conduct myself the way I was taught,Treat people as you would want to be treated,if not,a quick snatch of your floating rib will remind you to respect your elders and act right(Dad wasn't very gentle).The issue is Jason,and will always be,until he makes right.

No Marcus, we have never had a problem with you... the only warning was back when the thread was escalating out of control. Honestly, it dropped off our radar after a bit of time, I think we just assumed it got taken care of... like I said, we'll re-examine everything in light of the knowledge that you still have not been paid, as that is certainly relevant and pertinent. I was referring to those who, despite making more money off of AB than I EVER will, continue to revel in taking potshots at it for whatever reason, and those who don't have a dog in the fight but want to be in on the perceived ground floor of the next scandalous BOI outing or something.

I think it is pretty clear. Jason is a two bit thief. I guess what kind of irks me though is that he is allowed to sell stolen stuff on another site. If proof can be provided that the stock he is selling is stolen he should be banned immediately no if and or buts about it. Personally the way Marcus has conducted himself on this thread would make me want him as a member of my site and not a victim of my site.

I agree, and we are looking back into it... honestly, the guy just doesn't sell that much, couple ads a month maybe that I've been able to find, and like I said, the relative silence around this issue seemed to imply something had been worked out. It appears it hasn't, and we're looking into it. The deal was not made THROUGH AB, so we're simply trying to determine what it means as far as allowing him to advertise with us any longer.

And finally, to everyone that feels they have 2 cents to add on this:

AB gets 5 times the foot traffic that Fauna does on a daily basis, and it is an INFORMATIONAL site, like I said. 90% of the traffic here is people trolling classifieds and the BOI... we actually have many informational forums that get the majority of our traffic. We have our hands full keeping the information forums clean, and we do not "watchdog" the classifieds/warnings forum. We will re-examine this situation and take appropriate action, that's the most I can promise. And if this still isn't good enough for you, or gives you a bad taste in your mouth with regards to AB, ask yourself how many scammers still do business HERE, and ask yourself why you continue to support THIS site, and you will have your answer as to why I still support AB.

MI out.

 

[ravensgait]

Quote""For real? I don't even KNOW you... heck, I've never even heard of you outside the BOI. ""

That's funny I could say the same IE I have never heard of you outside the BOI until this mess came to light. Besides the Toilet humor seems to have gotten your sorry butt back here so it seems to have served its purpose. Tom, you are your site are growing a strong scent of old Tuna !! I can understand why you delete the stuff you do over there, wouldn't want the General membership to know that the staff looks to be protecting scammers now would you !! Heck if they found that out and some got scammed they might put your sorry butt in a sling..
Randy

 

[AF Exotics]

Tom,One issue here is my silence.The infraction I received from the thread contained a pretty clear point.The phrase "You had your say" was used,then followed up with what clearly meant,shut up or face removal.The implication was to stop or get booted,so I stopped.I might need the site down the road and had to hold my tongue because I run a business,but that was a sorry position to be in,and it wasn't by choice.

 

[MikeCurtin]

the relative silence around this issue seemed to imply something had been worked out.

Whether it was warranted or not, when "relative silence" is the result of perceived intimidation (i.e. fear of being banned), then something had been worked out. Marcus blew the whistle on Jason, he was told to shut-up or beat it, it was brought here.

Was Jason ever given a warning? Or at least a warning that his continued illegal acts could lead to a warning?