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Bad Guy Jeff and Christina Wise (Wise Reptiles) Stole Money from Benefit Auctions for Maggie

Allrighty folks. I have spent almost the past 2 hours talking with Christina and it appears she will be posting a reply in the near future. Unfortunately it will only be stirring up more crap because there will be blame being shifted to others then herself and Jeff and excuse on top of excuse. I attempted to make her understand that placing the blame elsewhere and any excuse is horse crap but I don't think, no I know it didn't sink in.

I would like this thread to try and stay on track, point being, getting the monies due to Maggie. I have looked over their pay-pal records and have copies of them. My ass is falling asleep from sitting so long last night and there is so much I need to say but my butt can't take much more and I need to walk this off some. In short the money was spent. I was told it was due to Jeff using the money for drugs.

Nevertheless I was told they intend to make this right though actions speak louder than words in my book. There are a few things in the works (one being I may be picking up some snakes tomorrow in hopes of selling them so the proceeds can get to Maggie.) Only time will tell.
 
StrictlyExotics said:
I also wonder how many people took them up on their website design whom they still owe websites to.
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I was ABOUT to!! The only reason that I haven't called her back yet, to go over exactly what I needed, was that I'm behind from visiting my mom in the hospital all week. Was planning on calling her today....'til I saw this thread last night!!!! :angry:
 
DAND said:
Allrighty folks. I have spent almost the past 2 hours talking with Christina and it appears she will be posting a reply in the near future. Unfortunately it will only be stirring up more crap because there will be blame being shifted to others then herself and Jeff and excuse on top of excuse. I attempted to make her understand that placing the blame elsewhere and any excuse is horse crap but I don't think, no I know it didn't sink in.

I would like this thread to try and stay on track, point being, getting the monies due to Maggie. I have looked over their pay-pal records and have copies of them. My ass is falling asleep from sitting so long last night and there is so much I need to say but my butt can't take much more and I need to walk this off some. In short the money was spent. I was told it was due to Jeff using the money for drugs.

Nevertheless I was told they intend to make this right though actions speak louder than words in my book. There are a few things in the works (one being I may be picking up some snakes tomorrow in hopes of selling them so the proceeds can get to Maggie.) Only time will tell.
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this will be interesting.
 
will say sorry I did read the account wrong ( not sure why I thinking it went down instead of newer actions up top ).


Maggie pm me I may have some anime type dvds for the girlsI know it not much but I know it should give them something to watch once they get back from camp. I 'll give you a list of what I got and a linkt olook at the shows to make sure it alright for them to watch. I know some anime goes close to the boarder on different ages. I know stuff like Code lyoko, Ah MY goddess (2 seasons and ova/movie) and possible anglic layer may be good ( interest them some )
 
Yes I have avoided this thread because I didnt know what to do or say. The check is a fake the PAYPAL is all real and can be verified by Dand. HE has been in my account and has seen it. I did lie about the money. I was scared. Maggie had told us when she called and we was upset about Jeffs aunt to take the money to go down there. She knew we would have to stay in a hotel and rent a car she said it was ok I told her no she said ok i wont take any more money from you you need to do this. we argued about it for awhile and then I finally said fine I was gonna give her money out of my next check then. Then when we got home I found in the mail a bill from my electric company saying I owed 700 or they would shut it off due to an old bill it was an address i lived at a long time ago my ex had put the electricity back in my name. How i dont know and why i dont know ... they said i had to pay it because I lived there before. I had this convo with maggie when we were talking about our days she said use the money everything was fine right now do what i had to do and I could pay her back . THAT WAS THE 1500. thats 3100 total so far. I then knew jeff was going to random places to buy small items and get money back to get pain killers for his knee. It has been bothering him lately and there was nothing to stop the pain and nothing to help. I knew he was doing this but was scared to say anything I didnt expect it to get this bad. I didnt know what to do. When maggie said I need the 1000 now or else, I didnt know what to do I knew i wouldnt have 1000. I thought the only way i could do it is make it up to stall. I am wrong for that. I am sorry I really wasnt trying to hurt you maggie I am truelly sorry I dont think you will ever believe me. I am working at get you money now. I was gonna list the albino and 3 hets up for sale so that I can have that money sent you , also the crested I will sale . I know I messed up and I want to make this right I know this will not make anything right or better I just want maggie to have her money. I know its a little late and i know I will get heck for this post but I needed to do it. I am truely sorry to all of you and have cleared it all up. The check and the bank account are the only items I fixed. I just didnt know what to do.
 
DAND said:
Allrighty folks. I have spent almost the past 2 hours talking with Christina and it appears she will be posting a reply in the near future. Unfortunately it will only be stirring up more crap because there will be blame being shifted to others then herself and Jeff and excuse on top of excuse. I attempted to make her understand that placing the blame elsewhere and any excuse is horse crap but I don't think, no I know it didn't sink in.

I would like this thread to try and stay on track, point being, getting the monies due to Maggie. I have looked over their pay-pal records and have copies of them. My ass is falling asleep from sitting so long last night and there is so much I need to say but my butt can't take much more and I need to walk this off some. In short the money was spent. I was told it was due to Jeff using the money for drugs.

Nevertheless I was told they intend to make this right though actions speak louder than words in my book. There are a few things in the works (one being I may be picking up some snakes tomorrow in hopes of selling them so the proceeds can get to Maggie.) Only time will tell.
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Reptiles = Drugs? LoL I know they are addicting but that is ridiculous to think that we will believe that she had nothing to do with it. I mean, how do you go and spend 1k on some ball pythons from a deal in chat that you cannot afford to do? By the way, it wasnt Jeff that made that deal, it was his other half.

And, as for the drug issue, did she NOT know he had a drug problem BEFORE she married him. All I am seeing are excuses, nothing more.
 
DAND said:
I was told it was due to Jeff using the money for drugs.
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This makes my heart hurt. There is nothing I can say that can express the utter disappointment and disgust I feel toward these two. :(

Don't they know that this community is like family? If he has a problem with addiction, I am SURE the people here would have done whatever they could to help him.

I am so damned livid right now and I am going to shut up before I say something I will regret later :angry:

I just don't get it
 
Nevertheless I was told they intend to make this right though actions speak louder than words in my book.
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Always .... and thus far, the actions of one or the other or both have been to lie, to deceive and steal. And then try to cover their sorry butts with altered checks and bank statements, and then lie some more. They knew EXACTLY what they were doing. NO EXCUSES, no blame shifting.

And they have children, do they not? Jeff stealing money for drugs? Christina covering for him? Wow - opens up a whole new can of worms where child welfare advocates could be concerned.
 
Mrs_wise_reptiles said:
I know I messed up and I want to make this right I know this will not make anything right or better I just want maggie to have her money. I know its a little late and i know I will get heck for this post but I needed to do it. I am truely sorry to all of you and have cleared it all up. The check and the bank account are the only items I fixed. I just didnt know what to do.
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Where exactly does "bring it" fit into this whole thing? :rolleyes:
 
StrictlyExotics said:
Reptiles = Drugs? LoL I know they are addicting but that is ridiculous to think that we will believe that she had nothing to do with it. I mean, how do you go and spend 1k on some ball pythons from a deal in chat that you cannot afford to do? By the way, it wasnt Jeff that made that deal, it was his other half.

And, as for the drug issue, did she NOT know he had a drug problem BEFORE she married him. All I am seeing are excuses, nothing more.
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I agree. Just more smoke.
 
Mrs_wise_reptiles said:
Yes I have avoided this thread because I didnt know what to do or say. The check is a fake the PAYPAL is all real and can be verified by Dand. HE has been in my account and has seen it. I did lie about the money. I was scared. Maggie had told us when she called and we was upset about Jeffs aunt to take the money to go down there. She knew we would have to stay in a hotel and rent a car she said it was ok I told her no she said ok i wont take any more money from you you need to do this. we argued about it for awhile and then I finally said fine I was gonna give her money out of my next check then. Then when we got home I found in the mail a bill from my electric company saying I owed 700 or they would shut it off due to an old bill it was an address i lived at a long time ago my ex had put the electricity back in my name. How i dont know and why i dont know ... they said i had to pay it because I lived there before. I had this convo with maggie when we were talking about our days she said use the money everything was fine right now do what i had to do and I could pay her back . THAT WAS THE 1500. thats 3100 total so far. I then knew jeff was going to random places to buy small items and get money back to get pain killers for his knee. It has been bothering him lately and there was nothing to stop the pain and nothing to help. I knew he was doing this but was scared to say anything I didnt expect it to get this bad. I didnt know what to do. When maggie said I need the 1000 now or else, I didnt know what to do I knew i wouldnt have 1000. I thought the only way i could do it is make it up to stall. I am wrong for that. I am sorry I really wasnt trying to hurt you maggie I am truelly sorry I dont think you will ever believe me. I am working at get you money now. I was gonna list the albino and 3 hets up for sale so that I can have that money sent you , also the crested I will sale . I know I messed up and I want to make this right I know this will not make anything right or better I just want maggie to have her money. I know its a little late and i know I will get heck for this post but I needed to do it. I am truely sorry to all of you and have cleared it all up. The check and the bank account are the only items I fixed. I just didnt know what to do.
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You know what Christine... You can give us all your excuses but NOTHING you do from here on out can make up what you did to Maggie. All this time, you thought I was MAD because I wanted that het deal. I was keeping my distance from you because I KNEW this was going to be the end result.

YOU were making deals left and right, lying about your website design, buying Windows 7 Os, not just Jeff. Are you really trying to get us to believe that Jeff spent 3500.00 on pain killers? You flat out think that ALL of us are this naive to believe your statement?
 
... are you freakin' kidding?!! I just don't know what to say...

I won two auctions, one for a leopard gecko, funds sent for the winning amount (as payment owed) and paid for shipping directy to Niss (Janice). The other auction I paid (again, as payment owed). Didn't hear from Reptile Basics about paying for shipment, Jeff said he was giving them my info. Waited.. a month later I ask Jeff again what is going on, then I receive my RHP from Reptile basics, never was asked to pay for shipping. SO in the end I did receive both items.

I have PMs from Jeff if that's needed. Here's the screenshot for my paypal showing payments made, I put a rectangle around the ones that pertain to this.
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Please let me know what I can do to help. This is terrible.
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LauraB said:
And they have children, do they not? Jeff stealing money for drugs? Christina covering for him? Wow - opens up a whole new can of worms where child welfare advocates could be concerned.
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EXACTLY what I was thinking....

Christina, you and your husband should be ashamed. This is how you teach your four beautiful children? You call yourself a mother? I pity your kids, I really do!
 
"I lied about x, but you've gotta believe me about y" :rolleyes:

Good luck selling those animals. If anyone can hand you cash after reading all this, they need some help. Your reputation is effectively done.

I do hope we will see the right thing done, though it seems awfully convenient that things just keep popping up to take money. The making up for it starts when excuses stop being made.. And that's exactly what they are, no matter what they are. Life sucks, things pop up and you handle them the best you can. What would you have done if not for the generosity of Fauna to pay those excuses? That money wasn't yours to begin with, or your husband's.

Dave, if we need a posse or a lawsuit, I'm all in for everything I can give. Is there a timeframe yet for when all this will be paid back? Because I'll be watching my calendar with great interest.
 
What horrrible actions by even worse ...... garbage! Maggie I hope something puts a smile on the kids faces THEY didn't diserve this and neither did you. I hope it helps!

To the THEIFS that could go no lower than to take advantage of a widdow in her darkest hours... I hope you get what you dished out ten fold!
 
So they do have children? I've got family who work for the DHHS who would be mighty interested in parents with drug problems and money theft. I'm sure they could pass that along to the appropriate folks in MI.
 
Also Christina.. Are you STILL soliciting donations from new members... As recent as 5.22.10? I would ALSO advise you to be cautious in your answers as you will be setting yourself up for A LOT of liabilities. I am sure that if you have read this whole thread, you will realize that I DID contact the reporter who wrote the story on your wedding and will follow up with her to make sure she took a look at this.
 
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