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Bad Guy Jeff and Christina Wise (Wise Reptiles) Stole Money from Benefit Auctions for Maggie

Well why didn't you say something to the public?

No proof. Gut feelings only cut it amongst friends, not in the BOI.

The wise's were in the BOI fundraisers too. I'd suggest anybody who put money into that make sure it was actually received by Rich if you didn't paypal him directly.

Maggie, my daughter wants me to tell you she has movies for your kids. Some of the cases aren't in good condition (puppy) but the movies work. PM me a mailing addy & they're yours.
 
I just thought of an old saying, and it's been around for many years. I will wrap it in quotes and then modify it below. I find it fitting since Jeff owns some kind of a lawn business.

Your ass is grass, and I'm a lawn mower

Well, Mr. and Mrs. Wise, both of your ass's are grass, and you just fired up the biggest lawn mover you're ever gonna see.
 
What I don't understand is that Christina knows what a giving community this is and decided to steal instead of looking here for help. After they made themselves out to be heroes, the Wise couple could have very easily come up with supporters who would help them attend a funeral and cover other expenses. They had just witnesses the awesome power of compassion that this site's members have.I have worked less time than I have been off in the past couple years,and was in and out of the hospital for most of last year, and may be returning soon. Fauna members didn't hold auctions for me, but its most likely because I didn't share my problems. Perhaps they told people here that they needed help and nobody jumped to auction anything for them? I don't know. You would think this would be the first place they turned, unless their money woes are just a cover for a drug issue. Of course nobody is going to auction off beloved pets to pay for her old mans drugs.

What I do know is that it is wrong to steal money that was donated to a grieving widow. I know that it is more wrong to buy drugs with the money while claiming that the intended recipient is the one with the drug problem.

Very low class.
 
Looking back I could have sent it to Maggie. I guess they could have also recommended that when I asked where to send it. Makes me kinda feel like an :censored:. For that I will never forget.

Just for the record...
 

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What I do know is that it is wrong to steal money that was donated to a grieving widow. I know that it is more wrong to buy drugs with the money while claiming that the intended recipient is the one with the drug problem.

Very low class.

Wo, wo, wo ------ did she call me a person with a drug problem (the intended recipient)??????????????????????????????????????????
 
Wo, wo, wo ------ did she call me a person with a drug problem (the intended recipient)??????????????????????????????????????????

Yeah, I had heard from another well respected person here that she was making you the bad guy here
 
Im simply Disgusted This makes me sick to my stomach well I seen the pics of them on page 11 Maybe we can post the pics to some of are myspace accounts Facebook and twitter and see if anything comes up Because thats Just wrong on so many diff levels its unreal. Im trying to hold my tounge so I dont say anything out the way as Im Very close to doing yet I have one 2 many infractions already and dont want to be banned from Fauna for any amount of time. I do indeed hope they get whats comming to them Preferably sooner than later
 
I don't know if all the Wise children are fathered by Mr. Wise, but if not, I believe the father/fathers have a right to know how their children are being raised by someone with a drug problem.

$3500 buys ALOT of vicodin.
 
Sure enough, Sam - excellent catch!

Also, here's an image I created using the same font Christina (or Jeff?) used on the bogus check. I also have the paint.net program and downloaded the font.

Here's where the font can be downloaded:
http://www.abstractfonts.com/search/?q=festus

I didnt realize you could download fonts into that program.... glad I could help ya.

I knew once I put the program name out there.... someone would figure it out.

You Rock!
 
I have been in the works all day talking with DAND FRAGGING DRAGON AND POLASIAN trying to sort it out for john to meet dand with the the albinos and the hets along with the cresteds. To be put torward maggies funds this fell through and I cant ship through SYR so I was told to ask what you guys thought I should do how to resolve this so the animals could be sold and funds gone to maggie.
 
I have been in the works all day talking with DAND FRAGGING DRAGON AND POLASIAN trying to sort it out for john to meet dand with the the albinos and the hets along with the cresteds. To be put torward maggies funds this fell through and I cant ship through SYR so I was told to ask what you guys thought I should do how to resolve this so the animals could be sold and funds gone to maggie.

Why cant you ship the Cresteds through SYR, other then the fact not a SOUL trusts you.
 
I would seriously consider pawn shops, auto buyers, and everything under the sun to get this taken care of. I dont know what those hets are worth now that they are coming from you.

After all, you only paid 1000.00 for them with an Albino male, which is low to begin with. How can anyone be guaranteed that those hets are really hets coming from you?
 
What do WE think? Isn't it obvious that we think you shouldn't have blown the money in the first place?

You're gonna have to find people to sell those to, that don't know how low you are, that's what you're gonna have to do. Good luck with that.
 
I would like to thank those of you that have other sites for getting this up and linking. I would also like to appeal to those that normally don't let such topics on their boards to let this one stand, Please. We share a lot of the same member base. Thanks.
 
Here is a little
Jeffery Allan Wise
Jeffery Mr Wise
Jeffery A Wise
Jeffery M Wise
Jeffery Wise
Jeffrey A Wise
Jeffrey Wise
J Wise
Jeffrey Weiss

34 age


relatives

Christina Wise
Deborah Sue Wise
Mark Lee Wise

Not sure if it was already mentioned, but on the paypal screenshot I posted, my monies were going to Christina HORN (not Christina WISE).
 
Maggie,

You had quite a bit on your mind at the time so don't kick yourself. Saving your kicking for those who deserve it.
I cannot even begin to stress how much I agree with this statement. You were taken advantage of during a time when you needed a friend the most. I think anyone of us in your situation would have done the same. In our darkest hour, we look for a guiding light. They seemed to be just that with these auctions- they deserve the kicking, not you.

She deleted me as a friend last night on facebook and I believe a few others as well.
Ditto.

The check is a fake the PAYPAL is all real. I did lie about the money.
I took out all but the pertinent information.
To clarify/recap for anyone reading at this point- the PayPal covered $1,600. That leaves approximately $3,853 unaccounted for from the total of $5,453 raised for Chuck, Maggie, and their children.
Moving on-

Then when we got home I found in the mail a bill from my electric company saying I owed 700 or they would shut it off due to an old bill it was an address i lived at a long time ago my ex had put the electricity back in my name. THAT WAS THE 1500. thats 3100 total so far.
First of all, you definitely could have refuted that bill. I would know- it's happened here between my parents. So that excuse right there makes no sense. (Just thought I would point that out to anyone who may care)
Second, let's remember that Maggie knew of you using $200 for said aunt from that trip. You, by your account now, have made it clear you used $800 for the trip- not $200. This is setting aside the fact that you used $700 without Maggie's knowledge (aside from casually tossing it into conversation :rolleyes:).
In Maggie's own words (and I'm so sorry for cutting out the major parts, please forgive me):
You called my house at 10:30 at night hysterical crying that his aunt died or was dying and you wanted to know if you could use about $200 to go.
I NEVER said you could take the $700 for your electric bill. You "threw it" into a conversation - you also said well, I knew you wouldn't want us to have no electricity.

When maggie said I need the 1000 now or else, I didnt know what to do.
So you denied any type of wrongdoing, told Maggie to "bring it", and when you finally confessed it was bogged down with excuses that was probably meant to tug at some heart strings (it didn't).

I was gonna list the albino and 3 hets up for sale so that I can have that money sent you , also the crested I will sale .
I just want maggie to have her money.
But you didn't, and she doesn't.
If you put anything for sale up here, I think it would be a wonderful idea to have the buyer send all but the shipping to Maggie's PayPal. That way, there is a true record of "paying what you owe". Food for thought.

Also I am trying to sell the snakes and cresteds to have money given to maggie whoever gets them can have the money sent right to her. I am talking with someone about picking them up.
If they pick it up, wouldn't it be safe to say the money goes to you? Did you mean a fellow member was picking them up and giving the money to Maggie? I don't see any new listings on here from you, correct me if I am wrong.

I never used her money to buy the hets or the albino. That money was from my mom she knew I wanted ball pythons and hadent gave me christmas or my birthday yet along with loaning me alittle more till we get taxes.
So, instead of paying what was owed to Maggie, you decided to use that money from your mother for yourself.

The bottom line is that this money should not have even been with you for this long. The SECOND you got these donations, you should have been sending the money to Maggie. Anything less, and in this case it was, was wrong and disingenuous. It was theft.

I would ask you not to lose heart when it comes to these matters.
I couldn't agree more. Doing so would be a disservice to not only Rick, his family, Maggie, and her children, but also to Chuck.

I keep going back to an old saying-
WWCD?
(What Would Chuck Do?)
I'm sure we'll all find out someday, if we would be so lucky. If I were the perps in question, I'd be pretty scared of the possibility of an afterlife. Although, Chuck is heaven, and well...:thumbsup:
 
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