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Bad Guy Jeff and Christina Wise (Wise Reptiles) Stole Money from Benefit Auctions for Maggie

Dennis Hultman said:
I would like to thank those of you that have other sites for getting this up and linking. I would also like to appeal to those that normally don't let such topics on their boards to let this one stand, Please. We share a lot of the same member base. Thanks.
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Just got a message from the admin of reptileculture.com via my facebook. She is going to make an alert thread to make sure everyone knows. :thumbsup:
 
I have to say I am proud of how the members of Fauna have pulled together yet again to be there for people in need and to not tolerate wrong doing.
 
Mrs_wise_reptiles said:
I have been in the works all day talking with DAND FRAGGING DRAGON AND POLASIAN trying to sort it out for john to meet dand with the the albinos and the hets along with the cresteds. To be put torward maggies funds this fell through and I cant ship through SYR so I was told to ask what you guys thought I should do how to resolve this so the animals could be sold and funds gone to maggie.
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I was and am still waiting for you to call me back pertaining to this. :toetap05:
 
Dave... I talked to you about this... Remember back a few months ago

This makes me sick to my stomach......

I know now why they tried to sell me their gecko collection....... If I see them at any show I go to I will have them kicked out... Chuck was a friend..... This is.... I can not post my thoughts at this time because Rich would have to ban me....

Yeah even if they make it right... MEANS NOTHING TO ME.......
 
Dennis Hultman said:
I would like to thank those of you that have other sites for getting this up and linking. I would also like to appeal to those that normally don't let such topics on their boards to let this one stand, Please. We share a lot of the same member base. Thanks.
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Oh.... its on my site... and it will stay. I have also been talking to law enforcement.

Christina... you really are a :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored:
 
This is to the Wise family... Please do not contact me for help anymore.... Please do not contact me to help you get anything... Please do not contact me to for anything.
 
I am going to say it and Rich do what you have to do.....

This is the lowest thing I have seen anyone do in the reptile world. To use the deaths of people to gain... To use the deaths of people you did not even know to gain money... To use the emotions of people that truly cared to get money... Green fricken pieces of paper.....

Wise's you are not welcome in Taylor... The only way I want to ever see you there is to give my good friend Dave the money that belongs to these families.. THe money that this community gave to help them families NOT YOU!

Then you leave....

These people are scum... These people deserve what ever they get.... Have these families been through enough!
 
Christina and I have only known Robert from Yahoo... He will be missed and his family will be in our prayers at there time of need... For all that have known Robert in person or online will miss him dearly... He was a great friend and an awsome person to talk to... Our heartfelt thoughts and wishes go out to his family and friends...

Jeff Wise (Liquerpussy)
Christina Horn(Kinkygirl_Within)
Jeffery Wise and Christina Horn
Aug 13, 2006
Clarkston, MI
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They actually put their classless user names on a (family-oriented) funeral home obituary memorial page?!

LMAO - you two really are a piece of clueless, trashy work. I'm sure the deceased's family was pleased. :ack2:
 
LauraB said:
They actually put their classless user names on a (family-oriented) funeral home obituary memorial page?!

LMAO - you two really are a piece of clueless, trashy work. I'm sure the deceased's family was pleased. :ack2:
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It seemed like a lot of the deceased's friends that commented were people he knew from some chat room. I assume they added their usernames so that others would know who posted.
 
I read through the first 15 pages and all I can say is wow I cant believe that happened. It is low and disgusting.

On a side note, I remember seeing on the news somewhere that a lady had been raising money for a breast cancer organization and actually spent all the money. She ended up going to jail for around 6 months. Like I said, I didnt read all the posts because it seemed like they were all saying the same thing.

I really think this should be brought up to the authorities and I don't think it needs to be by the people that donated the items. More than likely who the money was intended for or someone that can represent them.
 
I just got in contact with Rich Prater who sold them the Albino and Het Albino Ball Pythons. I was also there when Rich met Jeff to do the deal. Deal was Jeff was putting 600 Cash down on the group of ball pythons. And then 400 dollars was owed still to Rich. I just talked to Rich and they have til the 27th of May to pay him the balance of $400. I want everyone to get what is owed to them. But if the Wise's do give the Albino and Het Albino's to whoever to sell for the money owed. I think Rich should get his remaining $400 dollars that is owed. Rich's computer is down so he can't post this himself. But if anyone needs to get ahold of him PM me and after making sure it is ok with him I will give you his contact info. Any other information needed let me know. I have know Jeff and Christinia a while before they even came to fauna. Always seemed a little skeemish. But this is a new low.
 
bradleymoore said:
it would be nice to see what lucille would have to say.
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I have plenty to say. I am just learning about this situation, and I am disgusted.

It brought to mind another auction years ago, and how some folks were totally outraged when some mention was made about the self serving efforts of one of the people who was trying to 'help' in the auction, his name was Chris Johnson.

I think, if anything, we as a group should be careful about how we treat those with small voices who quietly say 'this is not right, there is something wrong here'. Encourage them. Listen.

(We're not talking about David, he has a big voice, for which I think we all owe him a vote of thanks).

When one holds money for another as a fiduciary, it is both wrong and an actionable breach of fiduciary duty to take and spend it on ones self.

Before filing suits and taking actions, I am of the opinion that it would we a good idea to give a short deadline for the money to be sent where it was rightfully supposed to go.

If indeed the Wises as alleged have held back funds and breached their fiduciary duty by spending those funds on themselves, I would encourage them to sell animals at a loss or whatever it takes to get the money back now, including borrowing from relatives.

However, if the Wises want us to 'bring it', I'm certainly willing to help get it brought.
 
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