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Bad Guy Jeff and Christina Wise (Wise Reptiles) Stole Money from Benefit Auctions for Maggie


There is no need to try and track Mr. Hart. I've got all the information on him but I'm going to sit on most of it for now.


By the way, "Dave" is nothing more than a "business partner" of Jeff's. You can send him a link to this thread and show him where she admitted to the fraud. They are telling him a different story. But, his ignorance is no excuse for is actions. I know both business names they are using and when I go to file another report, I'll name him as in accessory after the fact and include the intimidation of those that have been victimized by these two. If he actually stated he was a lawyer (I don't remember), I will be making a report on that as well.


Jeff, this is no bull. I have a lot of information. If you don't make in effort tomorrow to get the funds you stole to Maggie, it's going to rain on you, hard.

Did you report to the state the money you just stole? That might have a bearing on your state aid status. I'll be working on that after the Holiday Weekend.
 

There is no need to try and track Mr. Hart. I've got all the information on him but I'm going to sit on most of it for now.


By the way, "Dave" is nothing more than a "business partner" of Jeff's. You can send him a link to this thread and show him where she admitted to the fraud. They are telling him a different story. But, his ignorance is no excuse for is actions. I know both business names they are using and when I go to file another report, I'll name him as in accessory after the fact and include the intimidation of those that have been victimized by these two. If he actually stated he was a lawyer (I don't remember), I will be making a report on that as well.


Jeff, this is no bull. I have a lot of information. If you don't make in effort tomorrow to get the funds you stole to Maggie, it's going to rain on you, hard.

Did you report to the state the money you just stole? That might have a bearing on your state aid status. I'll be working on that after the Holiday Weekend.

He did not state that he was an attorney. I just said he tried to act attorney-like with the "cease and desist" title in the email.
 
By the way for those of you that were scammed by these two, this is the correct Prosecutor's Office.

Genesee County Prosecutor's
(810) 257-3210
900 S Saginaw St, #100, Flint, MI 48502
 
You're a good man Dean. Don't waste any more energy on these two though, unless it's focused on bringing them down. That email to you is certainly an indicator that they are remorseless and are not interested one iota in fixing this.

All our energy should be focused on stopping them now. They've had more chances to fix this then anyone else would have gotten.
 



Did you report to the state the money you just stole? That might have a bearing on your state aid status. I'll be working on that after the Holiday Weekend.

This is a really good point, I'd be willing to bet they are receiving government benefits, Medicaid, Food Stamps, etc. :iagree:

Has anyone figured out who the kids' father is? He may be interested in Christina's admission that Jeff is abusing Rx pain medications, and they are scamming people to float that habit with his kids in tow.
 
You guys are so awesome. I have totally enjoyed seeing how great this community is at pulling together when its needed. I just wish I could do more. Why anyone would come on this forum and try something so stupid is beyond me. I have NEVER been more proud to be a part of such a wonderful community as I am with the Reptile world here at Fauna CLassified. I am honored to call you guys, friends. Keep up the good work and I know Maggie is in the best of hands here with you all. No other words other than AWESOME can describe all of you.
 
Oh any fellow Texan will tell you they Honor almost EVERY states CCW laws. They actually encourage it according to a officer i talked to few years back. They allow open carry holstered in plain view. Kinda seems why crime levels dropped a bit there.


I highly a person with a CCW would go around making threats like that in writing, as thats grounds to take it away.

Don't know if this was already posted, Texas allows concealed carry, no open carry though.

(I'm from Texas..;) )
 
I kinda figured you knew, just thought I'd toss out the obvious in hopes someone might contact the state agency along with you. :D
Ticks me off to see people scamming our government and nice, caring people.
 
can someone PM me the link to the summarized story again? I have lost it and won't be online long enough to look for it later- but some of the DS moms want the link. Thanks!
 
I don't have the direct link to the summary.
I do have this copy/paste version to the summary and I've been adding to it in order to keep track of what's happening on my Facebook page.

I also have the long form of the transactions from the paypal in my Facebook notes section. For space and easy reading, I only included the summary of where the money was ACTUALLY spent.

Hope this helps.

The Not So WISE Scam

In today’s electronic era forums are popping up all over the place to allow people with like interests and hobbies a place to meet. In many of those forums the members become like family. When one member is going through a hard time the community comes together to do what they can in order to make life a little easier. This is what happened on Fauna Classifieds.

Chuck Kimmel, a long time member and family of the community, had a heart attack. The community came together and had auctions for his wife Maggie and their three children, Angelina (8), Annie (6) and Charlie (19 months). . Previous to Chuck’s heart attack and passing another family member of the community, Rick Morro tragically lost a daughter. The Morros’ had no insurance and the community also came together for Rick and his family to help with some of the added expenses.

These auctions were ran by Jeff and Christina Wise out of Flint, MI. Many members donated reptiles and reptile related items for other members to bid on with ALL proceeds supposed to be going to Chuck’s widow and their three children or to Rick’s family. The community raised thousands of dollars for their online family in their time of grief.
All the proceeds of these auctions went directly into Christina Wise’s PayPal account under the name of Christina Horn. These funds were supposed to be transferred directly to Rick Morro and Maggie Kimmel. Christina did forward two payments of $800 into Maggie’s paypal and $440 into Rick’s account.

Christina and Jeff Wise started going on a shopping spree within the community making many of the members wonder if the money was going to the proper places. Because many people were questioning them Jeff Wise posted a list of all money collected and what money went to each person. The totals that were given to the community was $5453 going to Maggie and $908 going to Rick. Many members of the community feel these figures are low due to cash donations that went unreported. Even with these figures the Wise’s owe the Kimmel family $3853 and owe the Morro family $468.

A respected member of the community, David Gruning, took it upon himself to attempt to collect the rest of the money from the Wise’s without making it public knowledge. Christina Wise then produced a forged check and forged bank records as proof she paid Maggie an additional $3500. When David proved that this was forged and was unable to collect the money owed he made it public in the Fauna BOI. (http://www.faunaclassifieds.com*Warning/ members of the community are extremely shocked and outraged by Jeff and Christina Wise.

When it went public the Wise’s, in an attempt to justify their actions, first blamed it on a drug addiction and financial problems, including a $700 shut off notice for an electric bill and an unexpected death in Jeff's family (his aunt). They offered to allow David Gruning to pick up their animal collection to sell in order to come up with the funds. When David was on his way to pick up the collection Christina called him stating that she was advised by an attorney and the police not to give up any animals. The officer's name Christina provided was found to be false.

Christina and Jeff Wise then started deleting everyone from Fauna from all of their social sites and closed their website(www.wisereptiles.com), trying to cover up their tracks. It was clear the families were not going to see their money without pursuing this further.

To add even further insult one of the $800 deposits into Maggie’s PayPal account is now being disputed by Christina’s bank. This has frozen Maggie’s PayPal account not allowing the community to send her donations directly as they have started to do once again.. Maggie is needing these funds to assure she can work this summer to provide for her family. Rick was planning on using the rest of the donations for a headstone for his daughter’s grave.

Christina also joined DiaperSwappers.com at the first part of May and posted a STOLEN image of triplets and claimed SHE was pregnant with triplets and asked for loads of donations. The scam was found out quickly, and the original owner of the photo had actually lost her babies at 27weeks.
Christina had NO problem stealing that picture from that post knowing what had happened and using it to try to scam MORE people even as this story was unfolding.

This couple is from Flint Michigan.

The actions of these two individuals is inexcusable and immediate justice is needed.

Here is a COPY of the Wise's ACTUAL SPENDING of the money (no $700 light bill, no rental car for a funeral...But TONS of ATM withdrawals)

Key Monies from auctions/donations $6,786.62

Maggie Received (1 disputed $800.00 by the Wises) $1,600.00

Rick Morro Received $440.00

Debit card ATM withdrawals $2,602.50

Purchase from Best Buy $238.48

Animals / supplies $372.60

Pennsylvania purchases, $469.72 $251.43 at 3 different Walmarts

Comcast $(279.59)
 
I don't have the direct link to the summary.
I do have this copy/paste version to the summary and I've been adding to it in order to keep track of what's happening on my Facebook page.

I also have the long form of the transactions from the paypal in my Facebook notes section. For space and easy reading, I only included the summary of where the money was ACTUALLY spent.

Hope this helps.

That is very helpful! Thanks!:):thumbsup:
 
Sorry Dennis, but I had already looked up David N. Hart. With NUDE in his email. Found this with NUDIST in MI so has to be the same guy, right??



David N Hart

Male | 60s
2284 Oakdale Dr
Waterford, Michigan 48329
([RP(-1,991765877,'Sally Hart','','Waterford, MI','2284 Oakdale Dr',42.673377,-83.371584)])
Household: Sally Hart
[email protected]
Photos & Profiles
Email profile search results for David Hart



Basic Profile†
Age: 63, born May 1947
Gender: Male
Ethnicity: unknown
Zodiac: Taurus
Relationship: Single
Children: No
Occupation: unknown
Education: unknown
Political Party: Democrat
Registered Voter: unknown
Religion: Protestant
Language: unknown
Hobbies: unknown
Home Owner: Yes
Residence: Single Family House
Length of Residence: 3 years
Est. Home Value: unknown
Neighborhood: Below Average
Wealth†
Lifestyle & Interests†
Drives a truck
Owns a RV
Enjoys retail shopping
Browses mail catalogs
Buys from mail catalogs
Household†
Sally Hart
60s | Female
David N Hart
60s | Male
Number of People: 2
Number of Adults: 2
Children: No
Home Description: Single Family House, built in 2002
Fireplace: unknown
Central Heating: unknown
Central Air: unknown
Swimming Pool: unknown
Est. Home Value: unknown
Length of Residence: 3 years
 
Great job Dave!!

Here is a copy of the Word doc. for those that don't have that program.

3/8/2010 Payment from Paul Roger Wilson $ 20.00 $ - $ 20.00 $ 20.00

As i Just now found this out and still have a lot of catching up to do, What is the best way to open a claim and or get my donation back?
 
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