Bad Guy Jeff Barringer --Kingsnake.com hypocrisy

[The BoidSmith]

Written by Dale Carnegie, How to Win Friends and Influence People is one of the first bestselling self-help books ever published, rumor has it he is working on Part 2: How to Lose Friends and Alienate People...

 

[poppy]

Why don't you just drop it Jeff? Im not telling you to, I am just confused, I couldnt imagine taking the reins and running, page after page after page if this was my thread. You could have saved the trouble and just submitted a badguy post on yourself. You are coming off very arguementative, it seems you are the one who never wants to get back into Kingsnake, and alienating any future customers who happen to decide to use the BOI as the tool it can be, prior to making an online purchase.

It's definitely not going to get anyone to add to your Karma.

 

[East_Coast]

I gather you know from first hand experience...

Jeff, The difference is I don't have a bunch of snakes to sell that nobody wants. I think you will find that, by the very nature of this site, people are more educated about snakes here.

People are going to click your ads... then they will click YOU in here and will see how you conduct yourself.

Good luck. Personally I always knew that the stuff you peddle is garbage. I mean that just the way it sounds: GARBAGE.

I may have gotten in arguments, etc on here and KS - but the difference is I never really did it (breed and sell snakes) as more than a pastime: you are actually looking at this like you have a business (you don't).

Good luck, keep posting, and get ready to sit on your fake intergrades, your fake "monster milks, and your other fake trash snakes that are not worth the money it costs to ship them.

One last thing: please don't send me any more PM's in here like we are friends. I don't know you, I don't care to know you, and I don't want to have any private communication with you.

 

[Jeff Schofield]

Jeff, The difference is I don't have a bunch of snakes to sell that nobody wants. I think you will find that, by the very nature of this site, people are more educated about snakes here.

People are going to click your ads... then they will click YOU in here and will see how you conduct yourself.

Good luck. Personally I always knew that the stuff you peddle is garbage. I mean that just the way it sounds: GARBAGE.

I may have gotten in arguments, etc on here and KS - but the difference is I never really did it (breed and sell snakes) as more than a pastime: you are actually looking at this like you have a business (you don't).

Good luck, keep posting, and get ready to sit on your fake intergrades, your fake "monster milks, and your other fake trash snakes that are not worth the money it costs to ship them.

One last thing: please don't send me any more PM's in here like we are friends. I don't know you, I don't care to know you, and I don't want to have any private communication with you.

S0, I will take that as a YES? Glad you are the Garbage Police, man you take the cake. Can you tell me you treat the people who MADE the intergrades I BOUGHT the same way? Mark Bell? Rainer, Zenny,Tom Stevens?? As far as having a business, selling hundreds of babies a year does constitute a business to many. A pic says 1000 words and I have never misrepresented anything I have ever had. If I sent you a PM it was because to me your responses sound personal, believe me that was NOT my intention. Go get into another arguement with a tree or fire hydrant and leave this thread alone if you cant stay on topic. The topic, if you are interested, was the hypocrisy on kingsnake.com.

 

[Southern Wolf]

Actually.... since you are the OP .... you too can become the topic. Because anything you type can come under fire as suspicios.... then you have to stand up the scrutiney (sp?) Quite frankly... your character also adds or subtracts to the outcome of the thread.

I think its safe to say most folks are going to side with Jeff and KS because of how you have treated folks here. The 'greater than thou' attitude you have shown.... and the unwillingess to adimt that maybe... just maybe.... your definition of intergrade vs hybrid may be off a bit.

So back on topic..... the topic is YOU and KS. You started the thread... and its about KS.

Have a good day.

 

[David Scarboro]

Really

S0, I have never misrepresented anything I have ever had.

There is a thread on this very BOI where not only did you misrepresent an animal, you lied about it. Care to revisit that, I don't mind.

 

[David Scarboro]

Also

Here are some more of your words of wisdom from one of YOUR bad guy threads.

"That BOI is a joke now anyways(the traffic is down 70%!),having people PAY to complain about others is a farce.'

There are plenty more. PLEASE lets continue...

 

[jmp745]

I cant believe I read that whole thing. As an unbiased observer, who has never bred a snake in my life, I easily grasp the argument on the hybrid thing as explained here. Mythical snakes from location A eat rodents mostly, while snakes in location C eat mostly birds. Natural breeding in the wild might end up with AXC in the middle(location B) who like to eat frogs. Mix A and C in a tank and the babies might hate frogs.

I as far as the original topic goes, it doesn't seem fair that some ads got moved while others didn't. But I'm guessing its like someone else said. He was probably sick of the OP and used it as a reason. I'm bored with the guy after one thread. Might be the reason his ads got fast tracked to the new system in the first place for all I know. Doesn't really matter. If you own a site, you dont have to be right. You own it, and the right to do what you want with it, while deciding who else gets to do what on it, for any reason at any time. Its not like getting ripped off or done wrong to, its more like someone asking you to leave there home, even if its only because they're sick of your company.

The big question is, what now? Whats another 20 pages going to change? Nobody here is getting there minds changed about anything. Its kinda turned into one of those "beat the dead horse" things about 15 pages ago.

 

[Jeff Schofield]

I cant believe I read that whole thing. As an unbiased observer, who has never bred a snake in my life, I easily grasp the argument on the hybrid thing as explained here. Mythical snakes from location A eat rodents mostly, while snakes in location C eat mostly birds. Natural breeding in the wild might end up with AXC in the middle(location B) who like to eat frogs. Mix A and C in a tank and the babies might hate frogs.

I as far as the original topic goes, it doesn't seem fair that some ads got moved while others didn't. But I'm guessing its like someone else said. He was probably sick of the OP and used it as a reason. I'm bored with the guy after one thread. Might be the reason his ads got fast tracked to the new system in the first place for all I know. Doesn't really matter. If you own a site, you dont have to be right. You own it, and the right to do what you want with it, while deciding who else gets to do what on it, for any reason at any time. Its not like getting ripped off or done wrong to, its more like someone asking you to leave there home, even if its only because they're sick of your company.

The big question is, what now? Whats another 20 pages going to change? Nobody here is getting there minds changed about anything. Its kinda turned into one of those "beat the dead horse" things about 15 pages ago.

Hi, thanks for your opinion, thats what I was asking in the beginning. And I do see that if you own a site you dont have to be right, and I felt wrong because I was a paying customer. Using your analogy wouldnt you want to know why you were asked to leave? Dont you think you should be afforded the same terms as anyone else? This thread is so long because I am taking the time to respond to so many people individually even if we dont see eye to eye. There have been a great many personal shots, plenty of attempts to get this thread to be about me. Anyone that wants to know me will know I am consistent, I take the time to answer every question, and I dont back down to online bullies even if I'm a new guy here. I find it very problematic that many chose to follow the thread to bash my snakes, which arent and never have been in question. I hope everyone like you who has read this far could eliminate the rhetorical discussion and look at the topic at hand. Thanks.

 

[Lucille]

There is a thread on this very BOI where not only did you misrepresent an animal, you lied about it. Care to revisit that, I don't mind.

The OP seems to be avoiding your posts. They are not something to gloss over. If he did indeed lie, he could be lying about what happened on KS. Who knows what kinds of emails were sent to Jeff B., it is obvious by reading some of the OP posts here, that whatever was sent was enough for Jeff B. to do what he did.

 

[Jeff Schofield]

The OP seems to be avoiding your posts. They are not something to gloss over. If he did indeed lie, he could be lying about what happened on KS. Who knows what kinds of emails were sent to Jeff B., it is obvious by reading some of the OP posts here, that whatever was sent was enough for Jeff B. to do what he did.

The thread Mr Scarboro is referring to is there for anyone to see. The facts remain that I sent him pics of the snakes he was trading, gave him all pertinent collecting info(Red Milks collected by Kirk Setser(locale included) sold to Shannon Brown bought by me)and explained more than once that a Red Milk(L.T.Syspila)from that area of Iowa isnt very RED. He got the snake in the pic I sent him and claimed it to be a Eastern milk(though it was keyed out as a Red Milk) and he doesnt know how to key out milks. Shannon and Kirk have attested to it. My customers mean alot to me so I paid the $50 for shipping and sent him a FREE replacement Red Milk and the second time he claimed the box arrived empty. Moral of the story, you cant make everyone happy no matter how hard you try. Please dont respond to this in this thread as it only encourages trolls. I hope this clears this up. I dont respond well to being called a liar. Thanks.

 

[East_Coast]

The OP seems to be avoiding your posts. They are not something to gloss over. If he did indeed lie, he could be lying about what happened on KS. Who knows what kinds of emails were sent to Jeff B., it is obvious by reading some of the OP posts here, that whatever was sent was enough for Jeff B. to do what he did.

Lucille, not to mention the (probably years worth of) childish and stupid requests and demands he made of Jeff on KS. Can you imagine dealing with this guy as a customer? His entitled and arrogant attitude?

I bet that the people at KS are looking at this thread right now and are glad to be rid of him: now more than ever.

 

[East_Coast]

The thread Mr Scarboro is referring to is there for anyone to see. The facts remain that I sent him pics of the snakes he was trading, gave him all pertinent collecting info(Red Milks collected by Kirk Setser(locale included) sold to Shannon Brown bought by me)and explained more than once that a Red Milk(L.T.Syspila)from that area of Iowa isnt very RED. He got the snake in the pic I sent him and claimed it to be a Eastern milk(though it was keyed out as a Red Milk) and he doesnt know how to key out milks. Shannon and Kirk have attested to it. My customers mean alot to me so I paid the $50 for shipping and sent him a FREE replacement Red Milk and the second time he claimed the box arrived empty. Moral of the story, you cant make everyone happy no matter how hard you try. Please dont respond to this in this thread as it only encourages trolls. I hope this clears this up. I dont respond well to being called a liar. Thanks.

Jeff, how about the fact that you sent David a snake that was contained in a dirty sock?

REAL PROFESSIONAL.... You're quite a "businessman".

 

[charleshanklin]

The thread Mr Scarboro is referring to is there for anyone to see. The facts remain that I sent him pics of the snakes he was trading, gave him all pertinent collecting info(Red Milks collected by Kirk Setser(locale included) sold to Shannon Brown bought by me)and explained more than once that a Red Milk(L.T.Syspila)from that area of Iowa isnt very RED. He got the snake in the pic I sent him and claimed it to be a Eastern milk(though it was keyed out as a Red Milk) and he doesnt know how to key out milks. Shannon and Kirk have attested to it. My customers mean alot to me so I paid the $50 for shipping and sent him a FREE replacement Red Milk and the second time he claimed the box arrived empty. Moral of the story, you cant make everyone happy no matter how hard you try. Please dont respond to this in this thread as it only encourages trolls. I hope this clears this up. I dont respond well to being called a liar. Thanks.

What a Thayeri sale a year and a half ago? Didn't you sell a adult pair that were sick, cuss the customer up and down not refund the person? Ring a bell?

 

[David Scarboro]

The thread Mr Scarboro is referring to is there for anyone to see. The facts remain that I sent him pics of the snakes he was trading, gave him all pertinent collecting info(Red Milks collected by Kirk Setser(locale included) sold to Shannon Brown bought by me)and explained more than once that a Red Milk(L.T.Syspila)from that area of Iowa isnt very RED. He got the snake in the pic I sent him and claimed it to be a Eastern milk(though it was keyed out as a Red Milk) and he doesnt know how to key out milks. Shannon and Kirk have attested to it. My customers mean alot to me so I paid the $50 for shipping and sent him a FREE replacement Red Milk and the second time he claimed the box arrived empty. Moral of the story, you cant make everyone happy no matter how hard you try. Please dont respond to this in this thread as it only encourages trolls. I hope this clears this up. I dont respond well to being called a liar. Thanks.

I bet you wish that it was that simple. I invite anyone to take the time to read the thread in question, or any other of Jeff's bad guy threads. He was busted for lying and misrepresenting an animal in the thread I started. He has a long history here, none of it good.

 

[Southern Wolf]

Hi, thanks for your opinion, thats what I was asking in the beginning. And I do see that if you own a site you dont have to be right, and I felt wrong because I was a paying customer. Using your analogy wouldnt you want to know why you were asked to leave? Dont you think you should be afforded the same terms as anyone else? This thread is so long because I am taking the time to respond to so many people individually even if we dont see eye to eye. There have been a great many personal shots, plenty of attempts to get this thread to be about me. Anyone that wants to know me will know I am consistent, I take the time to answer every question, and I dont back down to online bullies even if I'm a new guy here. I find it very problematic that many chose to follow the thread to bash my snakes, which arent and never have been in question. I hope everyone like you who has read this far could eliminate the rhetorical discussion and look at the topic at hand. Thanks.

Hey Jr.... .you started the thread...therefore the thread is about YOU and KS. If you didn't want to be involved in the thread... you should have thought about that before you started it.

You have already been proven to be wrong and links to research has been provided. But yet... you still think you are right and smarter than 90% of the people here.

Do you realize it takes time to enact change... and you just happen to be on the front end of the change. It took months to get everyone here to comply with the new rules Rich put in place for the classifieds.

 

[charleshanklin]

Hey Jr.... .you started the thread...therefore the thread is about YOU and KS. If you didn't want to be involved in the thread... you should have thought about that before you started it.

You have already been proven to be wrong and links to research has been provided. But yet... you still think you are right and smarter than 90% of the people here.

Do you realize it takes time to enact change... and you just happen to be on the front end of the change. It took months to get everyone here to comply with the new rules Rich put in place for the classifieds.

Exactly! Somethings take a little time to complete. Patience and a little feed back would of been much more helpful and you would still have an account there.

 

[Lucille]

Please dont respond to this in this thread

I strongly suggest that you do not attempt to influence my posts. There are mods who will guide me if they see the need, but for you to try to step into the position of a mod now is .....laughable.

 

[Jeff Schofield]

Exactly! Somethings take a little time to complete. Patience and a little feed back would of been much more helpful and you would still have an account there.

Charles, you have to pick and choose your fights because if this thread proves anything you cant have a single arguement with everybody. I could cite literature proving my side of the story but again that is off topic. This thread isnt about any definition. I wasnt in the best mood that night as my Patriots had just lost to the Jets and Jeff B was sick. I waited a week and emailed him and apologized to no avail before I started this thread. I did my part I think. Even now others there we both know are basically saying the exact same thing in the forums that I said to Jeff B and there are no repercussions.....hence the title of the thread....hypocrisy.

 

[Southern Wolf]

Charles, you have to pick and choose your fights because if this thread proves anything you cant have a single arguement with everybody. I could cite literature proving my side of the story but again that is off topic. This thread isnt about any definition. I wasnt in the best mood that night as my Patriots had just lost to the Jets and Jeff B was sick. I waited a week and emailed him and apologized to no avail before I started this thread. I did my part I think. Even now others there we both know are basically saying the exact same thing in the forums that I said to Jeff B and there are no repercussions.....hence the title of the thread....hypocrisy.

Your so full of your eyes are brown.

YOU made this topic about definitions. YOU said your animals didn't belong in the hybrids section.