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Bad Guy jen cisneros

rottsko said:
oops. here's the url to my policies page.

http://www.komeleons.com/our-story/our-policies/
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After Jen posted her side and stated you changed the restocking fee amount after she sent you the funds, I decided to take a look.

Here is the cached page of your website

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...p://www.komeleons.com/our-story/our-policies/

She was correct. You just changed the restocking fee %.

As much as I dislike flaky people backing out of deals, I really can't stand downright crooked, dishonest, penny pinching sellers.

You are deceitful and I wouldn't trust you in any transaction.

You changed it from 20% to 25% after the fact.
Full payment is required in order to reserve any animal. There will be a 20% restocking fee if the buyer decides not to purchase the reserved animal.
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dennis...you don't know me for squat. don't say you'll do something w/o knowing what you're talking about. i changed my "restocking" fee to "non refundable deposit" recently as well. are you going to say i'm shady again? i didn't update my website and i changed it when i caught it. so are tos basically never allowed to change? you got a cache of an old policy. big whoop. good for you dennis. i wouldn't sell to you either.
 
rottsko said:
are you going to say i'm shady again?
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I'll say it. You're shady as all hell; and not nearly as slick as you think you are.

rottsko said:
so are tos basically never allowed to change?
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Considering that she didn't use your website's checkout system, it's fairly unlikely that your insidious TOS would even come into play, unless you explicitly outlined them to her or directly provided her a link to their location. If you didn't, what you desperately want to perceive as her implied agreement to your terms would likely fall under the category of a "Browsewrap Agreement," which isn't nearly as binding as you'd like. Not that I want to turn this into a legal debate of the intricacies of online implied assent; I'm just demonstrating that you probably wouldn't have a leg to stand on, in the legal sense. Even if your terms themselves were to be found lawful; the degree to which a reasonable person could have been expected to find and read them plays a huge role.

Be that as it may, I think the TOS aspect is merely tangential. What it boils down to is this - Based on the provided evidence, it'll be very easy for a reasonable person to read these threads and decide that your business model is very unethical and deceptive. Opinions will vary as to whether or not you're entitled to keep someone's money when they back out. Can you do it? Sure. Should you? Well, personally, I'd need a damn good reason to even consider it. A simple flake-out wouldn't be enough for me.

But to come here and whine about her lack of adherence to terms that you, yourself, conveniently "remembered" to change to your own benefit right in the middle of the situation? Wow. That's ballsy. Comically hypocritical; but ballsy.
 
Fangthane said:
I'll say it. You're shady as all hell; and not nearly as slick as you think you are.


Considering that she didn't use your website's checkout system, it's fairly unlikely that your insidious TOS would even come into play, unless you explicitly outlined them to her or directly provided her a link to their location. If you didn't, what you desperately want to perceive as her implied agreement to your terms would likely fall under the category of a "Browsewrap Agreement," which isn't nearly as binding as you'd like. Not that I want to turn this into a legal debate of the intricacies of online implied assent; I'm just demonstrating that you probably wouldn't have a leg to stand on, in the legal sense. Even if your terms themselves were to be found lawful; the degree to which a reasonable person could have been expected to find and read them plays a huge role.

Be that as it may, I think the TOS aspect is merely tangential. What it boils down to is this - Based on the provided evidence, it'll be very easy for a reasonable person to read these threads and decide that your business model is very unethical and deceptive. Opinions will vary as to whether or not you're entitled to keep someone's money when they back out. Can you do it? Sure. Should you? Well, personally, I'd need a damn good reason to even consider it. A simple flake-out wouldn't be enough for me.

But to come here and whine about her lack of adherence to terms that you, yourself, conveniently "remembered" to change to your own benefit right in the middle of the situation? Wow. That's ballsy. Comically hypocritical; but ballsy.
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good for you dan! you said "it" :thumbsup:
 
rottsko said:
good for you dan! you said "it" :thumbsup:
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Indeed, I did. Your powers of observation are truly awe-inspiring.

Nevermind me. I'm a nobody, with zero interest in what you're peddling. The real cost of this situation will be measured by the percentage of the silent thousands who'll read these threads and also say "it" to themselves. Hardly seems like a situation to be taking lightly; but whatever works for you. :thumbsup:
 
Sang, you should think about damage control. You've been caught making a couple questionable moves (although I applaud the full refund). Realize this thread is here forever, and think about the impression it leaves on people.
 
honestly, it is what it is. people are going to take sides and that's life. for nobody's like the dans of this world, their opinions are meaningless bc they don't contribute to society.

i run my business perfectly fine thank you. i've got great support from all of my clients and this lady was bound to happen at some point. can't make everyone happy or make them like me. my clients know me and how i run my business.

i find it amusing that this is a boi and when i started a thread of someone that thinks they are above the policies of a business, this is the reaction that came up. these are the types of people that take their french fries back bc it wasn't salty enough and wants a full refund after they've eaten half of it. way to support these losers.
 
rottsko said:
honestly, it is what it is. people are going to take sides and that's life. for nobody's like the dans of this world, their opinions are meaningless bc they don't contribute to society.

i run my business perfectly fine thank you. i've got great support from all of my clients and this lady was bound to happen at some point. can't make everyone happy or make them like me. my clients know me and how i run my business.

i find it amusing that this is a boi and when i started a thread of someone that thinks they are above the policies of a business, this is the reaction that came up. these are the types of people that take their french fries back bc it wasn't salty enough and wants a full refund after they've eaten half of it. way to support these losers.
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Yet you come to us "LOSERS" to :censored: about someone not abiding by your TOS, even though you yourself changed your TOS AFTER she bought the animal. :rolleyes:

You are digging yourself a damned hole, and if you'd quit, you could get out of it before it fills back in.

Good on you for giving her a full refund, but you're business practices are still lacking. You don't come on and ask for other people in the reptile circuit to back what you're spewing, and then call us losers. But if you think this won't hurt your business, then good for ya. :thumbsup:
 
Mistyck said:
Yet you come to us "LOSERS" to :censored: about someone not abiding by your TOS, even though you yourself changed your TOS AFTER she bought the animal. :rolleyes:

You are digging yourself a damned hole, and if you'd quit, you could get out of it before it fills back in.

Good on you for giving her a full refund, but you're business practices are still lacking. You don't come on and ask for other people in the reptile circuit to back what you're spewing, and then call us losers. But if you think this won't hurt your business, then good for ya. :thumbsup:
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you should go back to school and take english again. i didn't call YOU a loser.
 
Patrick@ColorfulCreatures said:
Yes, I had a red barred ambanja for sale awhile back and he contacted me and asked me to hold him until he was paid for a Cham he had up for sale. He offerered a deposit but I told him I'd hold him anyways. After about a week he told me he was still waiting in payment and I was fine with that. After about another week after I send him an email asking if he was going to buy and he replied with its not what I'm looking for after all. This is ok with me, it's part if the business but I am amazed at his posting a bad guy thread telling other people not to sell to someone for doing basically the same thing he did to me. I marked the animal he had requested sold and also told interested he was sold and after a couple weeks they had found other available chams. Frustrating isn't it sang, just refund all they're and move on like a professional would, not come in to forums crying just because someone barely inconvenienced you. Click on the refund button and move on.
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rottsko said:
my clients know me and how i run my business.
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Unfortunately Patrick knows you all too well.
 
rottsko said:
you should go back to school and take english again. i didn't call YOU a loser.
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If you read what you wrote, and the way you wrote it, you called everyone a loser. So I don't need to go back to school to retake English (which should be capitalized, like I did in my sentence if you're going to try to correct me.) You apparently need to go back to school to learn manners though.

Your holier than thou attitude is gaining you great brownie points here. Quit while you're ahead from giving Jen a full refund instead of acting like a total jerk and trying to make it seem like you're in the right. You're not, and neither is she. Get over it!
 
Ed Clark said:
Unfortunately Patrick knows you all too well.
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hey ed, didn't you read my post about me backing out of a deal and being burned by the another seller's tos? so you see, i'm not a cry baby like the buyer in question on this thread. i didn't give patrick any cash so i wouldn't be violating his tos.
 
Mistyck said:
If you read what you wrote, and the way you wrote it, you called everyone a loser. So I don't need to go back to school to retake English (which should be capitalized, like I did in my sentence if you're going to try to correct me.) You apparently need to go back to school to learn manners though.

Your holier than thou attitude is gaining you great brownie points here. Quit while you're ahead from giving Jen a full refund instead of acting like a total jerk and trying to make it seem like you're in the right. You're not, and neither is she. Get over it!
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wow. so you're saying bc you read what i wrote the way you read it, you are saying i called everyone a loser? hhhmmm. i think you're assuming that everyone reads like you. sorry, i don't read like you and i read what i wrote and it read like the way i wrote it and the way it was intended. do you understand that?
 
rottsko said:
wow. so you're saying bc you read what i wrote the way you read it, you are saying i called everyone a loser? hhhmmm. i think you're assuming that everyone reads like you. sorry, i don't read like you and i read what i wrote and it read like the way i wrote it and the way it was intended. do you understand that?
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Oh I understand perfectly. You're being a jerk and just have to solidify it with everything you type. Thanks for clarifying that for me. You're top notch! :rolleyes:
 
Quite often, when someone posts a thread and gets upset that the consensus disagrees, that OP will get argumentative. The next step is usually personal attacks and then, ban.

Is this what Komeleans is about, Sang?
 
rottsko said:
hey ed, didn't you read my post about me backing out of a deal and being burned by the another seller's tos? so you see, i'm not a cry baby like the buyer in question on this thread. i didn't give patrick any cash so i wouldn't be violating his tos.
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I have no TOS so you can't break them. It doesn't really matter if you gave me any cash or not. It's still the same thing as this lady did to you. The only difference is she let you in a couple hours instead of a couple weeks. Your main points were that you marked the animal sold and that was problem. I had it marked sold for weeks for you and I just can't get why this was a big deal enough to even post about it. It happens all the time and even though it sucks its just a part of it. I also can't fathom why it's such a big deal to you when you yourself are guilty of doing the exact same thing. The only difference is I didn't have to click a button to refund money.
 
To be honest I don't think she was out of line backing out. If I see a price for something I would expect the seller to honor the price. If I was told 50 for shipping then for whatever reason charged an extra 5 bucks I'd have backed off as well. Then to do the 'ol plus five again on a restocking fee for something that hasn't even left the place yet.... Again just my opinion SHADY
 
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