JENNIFER HARRISON GOOD GAL!!!

[Otter_23]

Repashy has stated that his diet is a complete diet and that adding baby food throws it off. This another thread completely though.

 

[cahrens]

Here's the thing that gets me most of all... Why are the new snakes she's getting, and hatching, being vaccinated? That in itself shows that she's not sure that the risk has been eliminated.

I think that the test animal idea is a good place to start. Build your collection, little by little with unvaccinated animals. Utilize strict quarantine procedures with new acquisations. Wait a year or two and see where you're at. Seems like the perfect excuse to hold back everything you produce(Am I the only one who wants to keep them all?).

I also think that if you post an e-mail address for someone, in a public forum, then it's acceptable for people to use that e-mail address to contact that person. I'm glad we got Jacobsens outlook on it because until that e-mail, I was under the impression that all 3 members of the "vet team" were supporting her decision to sell the animals.

 

[Melissa_Khrs]

Given that she did recently have some serious issues with her collection I'd be vaccinating as a precaution too. It's much like asking why people quarantine... simply a precaution.

 

[Cat_72]

OK my first responses to Jen were when this was thought to be a simple RI

All of the quotes I posted from you came from a single post 3 days ago. Had nothing to do with "back in the beginning" of all of this.

Sorry if it doesn't make you happy to hear that good ol' Jen is a liar - I didn't make her change her stories repeatedly. I just wanted to get to the bottom of it.

Nor did Jen or any one of us make YOU post the "inaccuracies" that you posted. They are still "inaccuracies". Or lies, depending how one looks at it.

Given Jens lack of credibility throughout - forgive me if I tend to believe what the Dr. said over what Jen posts that he says. And he tells me a far different story.

How are we to know that is even what Dr. Jacobsen said, or what you said to him to prompt that response? You won't even post the email with the full header, nor the email you sent to him, so.... That, coupled with the fact that TWO other perfectly competant vets agreed with using the vaccine...people do it all the time when they are ill, it's called getting a second (and third) opinion.

I may also note that it's kind of funny....here some seem to be taking Dr. Jaconsen's word as "law" because he is the expert, even though 2 other perfectly competant vets are supporting Jen's statements....yet in the Bearded Dragon world, they are rejecting Dr. Jacobsen's flat-out statement that AV positive dragons should not be bred, because they want to keep breeding them, and their "local herp vets" think it's perfectly OK. What's the difference?

Anyway - rally around Jen all you want - good for you - and call me the bad guy

I didn't call you a "bad guy", I'm just trying to hold you to the same standard of accuracy and truth that you've been holding Jen to. So far, it hasn't gone so well.

 

[cahrens]

Given that she did recently have some serious issues with her collection I'd be vaccinating as a precaution too. It's much like asking why people quarantine... simply a precaution.

Yeah, I would vaccinate everything new as well if I were still afraid that there may be a risk present. It would have been my second precaution, the first being that I wouldn't allow anything to leave. It's kinda one or the other. Either you're completely sure that you're collection is clean or you're not. If you're sure then there would be no reason to vaccinate any more animals and you would feel comfortable selling some. If you're not completely sure then you can vaccinate as a precaution and hold off selling anything for a while.

It will be interesting to see if this was in fact what Jen and the two vets think it was. Hopefully it was and she's irradicated it from her collection and everything goes well from here on out. One thing I do know is that it's easy to hear what you want to hear. If someone has a devastating disease rip through their collection and they find someone who has a possible cure when they're getting nowhere with the current specialist who's working on it...... Who wouldn't try it? And then if it works, seemingly miraculously, it would be obvious(to someone who was desperate for them to be right) that they were right about what the problem was. Now take into account that 2 out of 3 vets working this say that you're clear...... It would be easy to make the mistake of moving forward too quickly.

 

[ToshaMc]

Guess I'll be the one to bring it back to the top since it's being passed around in PMs and emails anyway --

According to Jens latest post on SKs forum -- she says she's lost another snake to the virus (now aren't you glad you didn't buy all those perfectly healthy snakes she had up for sale). She says she is euthanizing her collection because she is getting a divorce and can't care for them anymore. However -- she is keeping a couple "as pets" and the guy who has the exposed genetic stripe (?) at her house on breeding loan is getting it back to keep "as a pet" at his brothers house.

I guess it would be harsh for me to request proof of the euthanasia but I'd really hate to see these animals get sold out the back door.

 

[shrap]

Tosha,

How about I ask some proof from you on the insinuations you are making? I know not having proof has never stopped you in the past from making making accusations, just thought maybe this time you could actually supply some proof to back up your BS.

I mean if you really wanted to gripe about something legit, how about griping about the fact Jen is selling all her racks that housed these animals. She has had ads up for a day or two for them and not a single word is mentioned in her ads about the virus and how these racks could be carrying it. That would be a legitimate gripe instead of this conjecture BS you seem so fond of.

 

[shrap]

Guess I'll be the one to bring it back to the top since it's being passed around in PMs and emails anyway --

Oh and I just have to ask.... is that all you people do? Constantly run around emailing, PMing and calling each other to talk about others behind their backs?

As my grandpa is fond of saying..."just another case of humans being".

 

[grandmagreen]

Guess I'll be the one to bring it back to the top since it's being passed around in PMs and emails anyway --

According to Jens latest post on SKs forum -- she says she's lost another snake to the virus (now aren't you glad you didn't buy all those perfectly healthy snakes she had up for sale). She says she is euthanizing her collection because she is getting a divorce and can't care for them anymore. However -- she is keeping a couple "as pets" and the guy who has the exposed genetic stripe (?) at her house on breeding loan is getting it back to keep "as a pet" at his brothers house.

I guess it would be harsh for me to request proof of the euthanasia but I'd really hate to see these animals get sold out the back door.

Please post a link. Thank you.

 

[ToshaMc]

Tosha,

How about I ask some proof from you on the insinuations you are making? I know not having proof has never stopped you in the past from making making accusations, just thought maybe this time you could actually supply some proof to back up your BS.

I mean if you really wanted to gripe about something legit, how about griping about the fact Jen is selling all her racks that housed these animals. She has had ads up for a day or two for them and not a single word is mentioned in her ads about the virus and how these racks could be carrying it. That would be a legitimate gripe instead of this conjecture BS you seem so fond of.

I'm insinuating nothing just providing information that some people might consider important - so I'm not sure what proof you would expect - a link to her thread?

As far as the racks I didn't know anything about them -- but thanks for pointing that out -- hopefully you've posted as much on the sale thread and this will further stand as a warning and no one buys them.

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

http://ballpython.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=47422&highlight=#47422

Since It was simple enough to do.

Anyway, the only thing i really see wrong here is the fact that, Racks are being sold, and no word mentioned, and animals are still being kept.
The only thing i would and can say against the keeping of these animals, is out of fear for mine, and others collections. The rest has already been said, and truly it is SAD that the injections did not work and animals are still getting sick.

I have to ask though, is it possible that another animal in that household may be carrying the disease, and passing it on to less resistant animals?

 

[SPJ]

Anyway, the only thing i really see wrong here is the fact that, Racks are being sold, and no word mentioned, and animals are still being kept.

You are exactly right. If those racks being sold housed these snakes with this virus that no one can identify and has killed numerous animals, it should be included in the ad. Heck, I would be afraid to buy those racks because no one knows what this virus that kills BP's is. The racks may not be safe since you don't know if disinfecting them will remove the virus.

IMO, the racks should be destroyed just like responsible keepers who have had IBD did to their boa caging.

 

[shrap]

I'm insinuating nothing just providing information that some people might consider important - so I'm not sure what proof you would expect - a link to her thread?

As far as the racks I didn't know anything about them -- but thanks for pointing that out -- hopefully you've posted as much on the sale thread and this will further stand as a warning and no one buys them.

Not insinuating anything? You came on here and flat out insinuated that she might sell these animals "out the back door" and then added your rolling eyes in a sarcastic way like she is lying about keeping them as pets. Both are nothing more than insinuations on your part.

So tell me again how you are not insinuating anything.

You and your rumor mongering friends have sat around talking back and forth and have INVENTED this so called "valuable information". So tell me how you are providing "valuable information" when that info was nothing more than a bunch of BS that you and your friends INVENTED in a bunch of private conversations.

You Tosha are a LIAR and a SCUMBAG.

 

[lillyorchid]

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113531

Here is the link (that is locked~surprise) that has all her racks and stuff for sale.... Not a word mentioned. Go figure.

 

[Pink Lady Exotics]

I'm keeping my two pets -- two normals that I have had since I first got into snakes. I don't see how this harms anything, as they're staying in my posession. The g-stripe is going back to my friend as he owns it and it is his decision to do what he wants to do with it. He is well aware of everything that has transpired since he sent the snake to me and knows it must be kept in a different building than his others and not be bred. The rest are being put down -- every single snake in this house. There is no proof that this latest death was caused by the virus, as it had somewhat different symptoms (prompting Dr. Gordon to ask me to wait on euthanizing them), but I don't care at this point. I'm just going to assume it was the same thing and end it all right here. The racks are easily disinfected with bleach -- as I was told to do by Dr. Gordon. I didn't put the situation in the ad because I didn't feel like writing a long rambling explanation of everything -- but for those that have inquired, I have explained it via e-mail.

 

[shrap]

Jen,

You nor your Doctor can say with 100% certainty that those racks cant spread the virus to other animals. Disinfected with bleach or not. To not inform people who might buy them of the situation BEFORE HAND is flat out WRONG!!!

"These racks have housed Ball Pythons that have died from an unnamed and untreatable virus. I do not know if they are capable or not of spreading the virus to your reptiles if you buy them."

That aint long or rambling. That is short and direct. Try adding that to your ads. That way people can make an informed decision on whether they want to risk buying them.

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

I'm keeping my two pets -- two normals that I have had since I first got into snakes. I don't see how this harms anything, as they're staying in my posession. The g-stripe is going back to my friend as he owns it and it is his decision to do what he wants to do with it. He is well aware of everything that has transpired since he sent the snake to me and knows it must be kept in a different building than his others and not be bred. The rest are being put down -- every single snake in this house. There is no proof that this latest death was caused by the virus, as it had somewhat different symptoms (prompting Dr. Gordon to ask me to wait on euthanizing them), but I don't care at this point. I'm just going to assume it was the same thing and end it all right here. The racks are easily disinfected with bleach -- as I was told to do by Dr. Gordon. I didn't put the situation in the ad because I didn't feel like writing a long rambling explanation of everything -- but for those that have inquired, I have explained it via e-mail.

Do you know or does your vet know 100% fact that bleach will kill this virus? has he done tests to prove this? Are you going to bleach them? entirely? every little crevice that one could possibly get into? What about the Tstats that were on them? are those going to be bleached too? will it 100% Kill any trace of the virus that may have ended up on them?

I just dont think it will be 100% effective.

Im sorry, but i just dont see that as a logical way to do things. Toss them. Get rid of everything. just like anyone else would be expected to do. Im sorry for your loss, but racks that held sick animals with a virus that is known to have killed off several animals in a few month time span should not be sold.

Send them to the dump dismantled and destroyed, why risk it? really. any items used should be tossed. Sure, its expensive, and we know its not YOUR fault that this virus ended up in your collection, but if it ends up in someone elses from your stuff, because you were SURE that your vets recommendation of bleach was good enough, then it will be your fault. Because im saying right now, i dont think it will be. If i were in this position, i would never be risking it.

As for the warning about the virus and such in your ads, a link to your blog or wherever else you have already typed stuff up about the virus/disease in your collection in those ads would have been sufficient. if people are curious, they will click it. no further explanation needed.

This is the kind of stuff that upsets me. Its not logical.

 

[jasballs]

The g-stripe is going back to my friend as he owns it and it is his decision to do what he wants to do with it. He is well aware of everything that has transpired since he sent the snake to me and knows it must be kept in a different building than his others and not be bred. The rest are being put down -- every single snake in this house.

Jen, I demand you post your friends name here! So for others we know never to buy g-strpies or basically anything else from him!

 

[EricIvins]

http://ballpython.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=47422&highlight=#47422

uhhh, read the posts in the link again?

 

[lillyorchid]

I agree Jas.

But I have to wonder what kind of person would think "okay this is a good idea to send my snake over to a friends to breed even tho she has lost snakes left and right to some unknown virus."

If that were me I'd
1. NOT ever think of risking that snakes life or even chancing it getting in to my collection.
2. If my snake was out on a breeding loan and that person with my snake had a virus pop up in there collection, I would either tell them to just keep the snake or I'd put it down asap. Not worth the risk at all in my eyes.

As for all of the racks and such I'm surprised you are even trying to get any kind of money for those. Yes I know you have spent a lot of money on getting those items BUT I don't know one person who would even think about attempting to sell those kind of things if they had what happened to you and your snakes. I'd just trash ALL OF IT and caulk it up as a loss. Who knows if bleach will kill that virus. Like Moo said has the vet even attempted to try to test that out and see? If so you may want to get that all in writing just to cover yourself if some person does decided to take that plunge and buy anything from you.