JENNIFER HARRISON GOOD GAL!!!

[Phil Bradley]

My $.02

The best cure for the overwhelming stress that comes with captive keeping is to get out in the field and find some critters in their natural habitat. Had I not become so involved with field herping and conservation my love for breeding would have evaporated years ago. There's a whole world to go explore and no one out there to belittle and berate you (except suspicious locals who can't fathom why you would want to catch and photograph snakes )

 

[KelliH]

The best cure for the overwhelming stress that comes with captive keeping is to get out in the field and find some critters in their natural habitat. Had I not become so involved with field herping and conservation my love for breeding would have evaporated years ago. There's a whole world to go explore and no one out there to belittle and berate you (except suspicious locals who can't fathom why you would want to catch and photograph snakes )

Amen! That reminds me, it's about time to get out there again. I think a trip to West Texas will be on the agenda this year, HWY 277 and the Juno Road, yep, I'm jonesin'.

 

[Chandler Reptiles]

Jen you posted your emails while I was typing my post, I was refering to the pasted one pages ago.
If by bringing up that you said nothing has left your collection since September of 07 and showing something did in November of 07 gave anyone the idea that it was sick, died or destroyed someones collection then people need to not make assumptions like that.
I was pointing out the major difference in the dates of your words and your actions.

 

[varnyard]

Jen you posted your emails while I was typing my post, I was refering to the pasted one pages ago.
If by bringing up that you said nothing has left your collection since September of 07 and showing something did in November of 07 gave anyone the idea that it was sick, died or destroyed someones collection then people need to not make assumptions like that.
I was pointing out the major difference in the dates of your words and your actions.

So she gave a snake away, big deal. I think you failed to see the meat of the facts; she did not collect any cash, but did put out a bunch. As for the dates, well idiot trolls do abound, and please don't make assumptions on that, you are an idiot.

When you dump a few thousand dollars and the blood sweat and tears she did, your little whining might mean something.

Now if you have proof that she somehow scammed our hobby, then by all means post it, if not, then go craw back in your hole.

 

[Serafim]

I hope that Jen takes some time and rethinks this. In the few times I have talked back and forth with jen through forums or Ims her words are always filled with such passion on the subject of ball pythons. I believe it is a huge lose to the hobby. Jen don't let these people take away something you love. Don't give up. we are here for you if you need us. To those of you who went off with all the assumptions and malicious attacks remember Karma is a bitch.

 

[Cat_72]

Jen you posted your emails while I was typing my post, I was refering to the pasted one pages ago.
If by bringing up that you said nothing has left your collection since September of 07 and showing something did in November of 07 gave anyone the idea that it was sick, died or destroyed someones collection then people need to not make assumptions like that.
I was pointing out the major difference in the dates of your words and your actions.

The girl has given up, thrown up her hands and vowed to have most of her animals euthanized....what the hell else do you want from her?? Is even that not enough? What will be enough?

I think Sammy is correct, it is time to step away from the Big Giant Ass Clowns for awhile. I have typed and deleted this post several times....it ain't gonna come out right no matter how many times I retype it, this whole thing makes me sick.

Jen, you have my number. You know you can call anytime. Please take a step back and think this through before you do anything drastic, you've had more courage through all of this than I ever could have.

 

[Serafim]

The girl has given up, thrown up her hands and vowed to have most of her animals euthanized....what the hell else do you want from her?? Is even that not enough? What will be enough?

I think Sammy is correct, it is time to step away from the Big Giant Ass Clowns for awhile. I have typed and deleted this post several times....it ain't gonna come out right no matter how many times I retype it, this whole thing makes me sick.

Jen, you have my number. You know you can call anytime. Please take a step back and think this through before you do anything drastic, you've had more courage through all of this than I ever could have.

Well put Cat.... And I agree with Sammy 100% Time to step back

 

[NorthernRegius.com]

So many good people Jen

I don't know why I can't give out KArma points right now- but Shrap, Cat others who have been supportive of Jen... thank you.

I have taken the good with the bad here on the BOI, but there are folks here that remind you it's about the animals not so much the people as far as what it is about keeping snakes that brings us joy.

Jen, please don't kill the animals you've come to love! Take your time wait things through... why not see how they do? I know what it's like to spend years building up, finally getting to a place where you can see the fruits of your labor... I can only imagine how this year has been & thank YOU so much for your honestly. For that I hope you will continue on, may be a bit more time BUT as the Peter Gabriel song goes:
"don't give up
'cos you have friends
don't give up
you're not beaten yet
don't give up
I know you can make it good"

I've some animals for you down the road, to help you rebuild... when it's okay to send them to you, I sure hope you'll take them. They are hold back '06 possie het Albino females, FT feeders from my bigger female here. I want you to have them, when you are ready. We need folks like you- hang in there.

Deb

 

[Seamus Haley]

So she gave a snake away, big deal. I think you failed to see the meat of the facts; she did not collect any cash, but did put out a bunch.

Well, it is a potentially big deal... but not every "big deal" is a "boi deal" if the distinction makes sense.

Quaranteen, to most individuals, means keeping the general population out of their personal collection until it's passed muster and is verified to be clean- but it works both ways; releasing animals into the general population from a personal collection when they may be asymptomatic carriers is a similar violation of good quaranteen practices. If she adopted animals out, given the time frames and the unknowns involved in the specific disease causing agent, it was definitely something that was wrong of her to do. Wrong doesn't automatically mean it was malicious or uncaring or that anyone was scammed- in this case it just means that it was an action that was, retrospectively, in error and potentially dangerous.

So it is a big deal; the recipients of those adopted animals need to be contacted, as well as anyone who recieved any animals from them and anyone who recieved any animals from them and anyone who recieved any animals from them and... on down the chain, so that quaranteen conditions can be reestablished.

 

[Chandler Reptiles]

So she gave a snake away, big deal. I think you failed to see the meat of the facts; she did not collect any cash, but did put out a bunch. As for the dates, well idiot trolls do abound, and please don't make assumptions on that, you are an idiot.

Wow answer Jen's question to me and get called an idiot...assclown and an idiot, making so many friends I see...

I have not made one assumption on her dates, the dates shouldn't change nor should they be something that is up for discussion, it either happened or it didn't.

I have concerns that this isn't the only case since she forgot that she got rid of this one.

 

[shrap]

Well, it is a potentially big deal... but not every "big deal" is a "boi deal" if the distinction makes sense.

Quaranteen, to most individuals, means keeping the general population out of their personal collection until it's passed muster and is verified to be clean- but it works both ways; releasing animals into the general population from a personal collection when they may be asymptomatic carriers is a similar violation of good quaranteen practices. If she adopted animals out, given the time frames and the unknowns involved in the specific disease causing agent, it was definitely something that was wrong of her to do. Wrong doesn't automatically mean it was malicious or uncaring or that anyone was scammed- in this case it just means that it was an action that was, retrospectively, in error and potentially dangerous.

So it is a big deal; the recipients of those adopted animals need to be contacted, as well as anyone who recieved any animals from them and anyone who recieved any animals from them and anyone who recieved any animals from them and... on down the chain, so that quaranteen conditions can be reestablished.

Let me sum this up for you ass clown. The ONE animal she adopted out was adopted out with the person having FULL knowledge of what was going on with Jen's collection at the time of the adoption.

 

[shrap]

Wow answer Jen's question to me and get called an idiot...assclown and an idiot, making so many friends I see...

Nope... just making people see that the labels that have been applied to you were accurate.

 

[Chandler Reptiles]

Nope... just making people see that the labels that have been applied to you were accurate.

Maybe but you are also showing your true colors...

 

[BalloonzForU]

Let me sum this up for you ass clown. The ONE animal she adopted out was adopted out with the person having FULL knowledge of what was going on with Jen's collection at the time of the adoption.

Sammy, She didn't tell the person that adopted the animal till afterwards as it states in her own words in this thread. Also She says one animal here, but two out of three she stated were adopted out in the add. Did she contact the other person?

Jeff, why wouldn't the e-mail be accurate? I copied and pasted the entire thing. Want me to forward it to you?

Why would I have any reason to state that Elliot doesn't talk to me any time sooner than now? He is the lab doing the lab work -- which is contracted by Dr. Gordon for the samples he obtained. When any of you have lab work done on your pets through your vet, do you talk to the lab directly or do you talk to your vet? I talked to my vet, and I don't see the mistake in this.

How is my timeline screwed up? I haven't changed anything.

I now figured out where people are getting the idea about the 2 adopted ball pythons. I had posted this ad for 2 rescues in early October:

http://www.alexhuereptiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18085

Only ONE was adopted -- by a member of that forum, and this happened in the very first days of this ordeal -- when only 2 snakes had fallen ill with what we were still thinking was a routine bacterial respiratory infection and nothing to be overly concerned about. The info didn't come out that it was potentially a virus until later that month -- and I immediately contacted the person that adopted that snake to let him know. He replied and said he had him in strict quarantine and he would let me know or take care of it if something happened. He has since contacted me just a month or two ago to tell me all was still well with that male. This person can verify all of the above, or he can verify it to Jeff and Jeff can verify it here.

Sammy I'm not attacking Jen, I'm looking for answers as to why there is so many inconsistencies in her posts. Hasn't that what the BOI has always been about? Getting the facts?

I didn't attack her either when she decided to assume this morning in a post on AHR that the cash that I've spent on balls lately is due to money that I collected from my late husbands life ins. Talk about a class act.

 

[BalloonzForU]

http://www.alexhuereptiles.com/forums/showpost.php?p=223990&postcount=16

And for those who can't see it....

Felicia, because 2 very knowledgable and experienced reptile vets told me it was OK to do so. Why would I have any logical reason to not believe them? As I posted on the BOI, Elliot is doing the lab work -- contracted by Dr. Gordon's clinic. When you have lab work done on your pets, do you talk to the lab or do you talk to your vet? I'm willing to bet you talk to your vet and probably never hear anything from the lab except for test results on paper. Which is what I was doing, I was talking to my vet and making decisions based on believing that he was going on what he was learning from Elliot and his own expertise and research. Again, why would I have any reason to disbelieve him?

I already stated what I am going to do. And I will say it -- Felicia, I don't have $35,000 to spend on ball pythons like you. That's great that you do, although I'm assuming you got it through insurance money because you had to go through a horrible personal loss, which I am truly sorry for. But as I stated on BP.net -- I will not kill otherwise healthy animals unless it comes back that I have absolutely no choice. If I have to, I will -- and I will never keep snakes again. I will surely lose my family if I even remotely think about spending money to start over from scratch. But how do you think I (or any reasonable animal lover) would feel if I killed them all -- then the results came back that this virus is indeed something else and has a very plausible cure or does not get carried asymptomatically, and that they would have all been just fine? I would be more devastated than I am now after losing animals not by my own doing. I can't do that.

Like I said above -- I am going to work with what I have privately for a few years. If it comes back that they have to be destroyed, then I will do that and keep the 2-3 that mean the most to me as pets. I will never work with snakes again. But if it comes back that they will all be just fine, then I will come back into the business and will at least have a lot built up that I can start with.

 

[varnyard]

So Seamus, you once again know more than everyone else, like an all knowing god.....

I guess what a real expert says means nothing, like a real exotic vet, no your right, what he says should not pass the muster, well at least with you, oh all knowing wise one.....

As for good old Chandler, well I hate to be frank, but your not even worth a response.

As for my opinion from the outside looking in, it looks like few here are trying to remove the competition. That's about all that has been proven here, the good old railroad attempt. I am very sorry that a few of us see it for what it is, and it is not going to fly with us.

 

[KelliH]

I didn't attack her either when she decided to assume this morning in a post on AHR that the cash that I've spent on balls lately is due to money that I collected from my late husbands life ins.

 

[KelliH]

And I will say it -- Felicia, I don't have $35,000 to spend on ball pythons like you. That's great that you do, although I'm assuming you got it through insurance money because you had to go through a horrible personal loss, which I am truly sorry for.

Jen, that was a real shitty thing to say and tells me all I ever need to know about you. You, my dear, are the true assclown.

 

[LukaTisus]

Wow..

I must say that I can understand completely why other breeders sweep epidemics like this under the rug. I've been following this for a while, and I can definetely say that I'm rather sickened by how this poor girl was treated.

As John said, she didn't sell any animals, she cancelled those reservations, she's tried to bring to light at least one problem that any breeder or hobbyist could someday experience. After going through this thread, do you honestly think it encourages anyone to be as open and honest about a problem in their collection as Jen was? She could have simply kept it quiet and never whispered a word of it to anyone, but instead she did her damndest to keep us all informed on the progress of this..

Whether there were miscommunications through her contact with Dr.Jacobson, as there can often be when recieving information from a second party, seriously.. you've all lashed out and ripped her to bits already, give the poor woman some dignity!! The fact you've driven her to even consider euthanising the rest of her animals, after everything she's been through, just makes me shake my head...

Do I agree with the fact she'd offered the animals up for sale? No, but she didn't go through with the sales. Was it because she was "called" on it? Does it matter? The fact of the matter is that she cancelled the sales. Personally, I appreciate the fact that she was so honest about all of this, I had never even heard of a virus like this before this was all brought up and I'm pretty sure there's quite a few of you out there who could say the same.

 

[romad119]

As for my opinion from the outside looking in, it looks like few here are trying to remove the competition. That's about all that has been proven here, the good old railroad attempt. I am very sorry that a few of us see it for what it is, and it is not going to fly with us.

I'm sure that's it. Though more likely if this thread was about tegus and their origin. I don't think Jen is the Wal-Mart of BPs and has people nervous about a monopoly on the BP market.

You need 'ass-clowns'. Many times they have been the ones to find the real answer on things. They turned over some rocks and I think Jen answered any accusations correctly and most of them were satisfied. It can take guts to ask the questions everyone is thinking but won't ask.

Some might have asked for different reasons, not all altruistic, but its hard to lump everyone together. I bet some might be paranoid about whats going on or see shadows where none are. But trying to shut them down with the same attacks they prodded Jen with seems a bit hypocritical?

It's great the donations she has pending from some of you. Do you think its best to wait to see what the vets finally conclude?

I think alot of this came about from the need for quick relief for Jen and her animals versus the time that the vets want/need to reach a scientific conclusion. It's easy for the vets to say it will take awhile, don't treat with this and that, etc.

Much harder from Jen or any owner's perspective.

Jen, I'd like to see the info coming as you get it and never let others dictate your interests. A few critical people shouldn't derail all the effort you have put into this. Some will always play devil's advocate. I usually do myself