JENNIFER HARRISON GOOD GAL!!!

[reagorfu]

She was told that bleach would kill the virus. Not the decsion I would make....but she trusted him. After rethinking it, she changed her mind. If she was trying to "slip one by", would she have posted the ad here on Fauna where everyone who is so hot on her ass could read it?



Did you even READ half of this? SHE COULDN'T GET A RESPONSE FROM HIM LONG BEFORE SHE TRIED TO SELL THOSE SNAKES. Why is that so freakin hard to understand?



So what? Jen didn't have $15,000 to spend, and she provided all of the information she could to help EVERYONE in the herp community. I don't believe she had anywhere close to that amouint invested in her collection to begin with, so besides trying to save her pets, she chose to make all of this information public, instead of hiding it and sweeping it under the rug like those before her did. If those before her has spent that kind of money on research, shared the infomation with others, perhaps Jen would never have had to have done ANY of this. But it's because of the public reaction they would get (like your post and so many others) that inspired them to keep it hidden. She euthnized some of her own animals to try to get more information, yeah, that's strictly protecting hers.



Bullshit! If she really wanted to hurt the community, would she have told everyone she had it? Would it have made you feel better if she would have just kept on selling, not telling anyone? Not gone thru the time, money, and heartache of even contacting other countries looking for some help?



Again, one more time.....THERE WAS NO COMMUNICATION FROM HIM LONG BEFORE THE FIRST HALF OF THIS THREAD!!! She sought out other vets when she was getting no help from him! You would have preferred her to just sit back and do nothing? That would really be progress, huh? I hate to tell you, this is far from the biggest thing Dr. Jacobsen has to work on, and is very probablynot on his "high priority" list. Just because she sought out the aid of other vets, vets who are COMPLETELY QUALIFIED, she's done wrong?

Yep. I don't think it's right, but I completely understand why those who have gone through this before never opened their mouth.

The human race sucks.

sorry, but i still think that she is a bad guy. i think she played the dumb card, and her completely qualified vet that told her she could sell the snakes that don't show signs of illness is OK? seriously?

how long was there no communication before they went against his advice to give the snakes the meds for the birds?

maybe the poor me act got me a little heated, i don't fall for that one. sorry, maybe i just hear it way too much, but the violins playing the sad song don't really piss me off. maybe i'm a jerk, but at least you will never see me trying to sell anything out of an infected colony with the advice of a vet who has been consistently wrong.

if this were anyone else that was not in the BP forum clubs, no one would be sticking up for her. it really sucks, and i know that you will most likely never see it, but you guys are in the wrong because people need to be held accountable.

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

if anything she tried to hurt the community by selling sick snakes and racks that may or may not have the virus on them. not a good guy, even if your pals with her.

Uh.... i dont think she TRIED to do any of this on PURPOSE. What the hell!?

She was given inaccurate information to work with. Its not HER fault that she listened to the vet she is working with currently.

 

[reagorfu]

Cathy, I wish I could give you more karma for your most recent post...

People, you need to read the ENTIRE situation before spouting of half truths or opinions as fact.

i have read this entire thread, but thanks.

 

[reagorfu]

Uh.... i dont think she TRIED to do any of this on PURPOSE. What the hell!?

She was given inaccurate information to work with. Its not HER fault that she listened to the vet she is working with currently.

yes, it is her fault

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

Its not HER fault that she listened to the vet she is working with currently.

Well, she listened to him, but its not her fault that he is basing his advice on unknowns, or uncertainty.

 

[The BoidSmith]

Im sure theyre great disinfectants.

I would never trust them if my collection had a deadly virus, dont care how great they can be, if i missed one crack, that crack could have some of the virus in it. Not worth the risk. I would get rid of everything.

The point is that I'm in agreement with the vet who suggested using bleach. Bleach is one of the most effective disinfectants out there, even recommended by the National Academy of Sciences as a disinfectant of syringes to be used to prevent the spread of AIDS in drug users. That will give you an idea of it's effectiveness.

There's one thing though, bleach tends to inactivate when in contact with organic matter if surfaces are dirty. Enclosures are way to cheap by comparison if you consider the damage that an unknown virus can cause in ones or other people's collections. Regrettably we don't know the economic situation of every individual. For some it's feasible to discard everything away and start anew, whereas for some it's nearly impossible.

Best

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

yes, it is her fault

So if you listened to your vet, because you believed him right and didnt know any better, it would be your entire fault? 100% without fail? Even if he ended up being wrong, because even HE was not sure? and did not tell you this?

I think you are dead wrong in this.

 

[Cat_72]

i have read this entire thread, but thanks.

Have you read her blog, or any of the other pertinaent information as well?

If so, you appear tohave a bit of a comprehension issue.

if this were anyone else that was not in the BP forum clubs, no one would be sticking up for her. it really sucks, and i know that you will most likely never see it, but you guys are in the wrong because people need to be held accountable.

So, why not hold accountable those who had this virus a couple of years ago and swept it under the rug, instead of going through all of the work Jen has to try to learn something about it? Or maybe the guy that sold her the sick animal, is completely aware of it, and as far as I know is STILL selling sick animals?

I guess she's a much easier target.

And FWIW, I'm not a member of any kind of "BP club", nor do I post on any other reptile forums besides this one. Hm, we have the "wolf pack", the "Fauna Clique", and now apparently there is a "BP Club"...do I hear any others? And uh, does the "Brotherhood" know about this BP club?

 

[reagorfu]

So if you listened to your vet, because you believed him right and didnt know any better, it would be your entire fault? 100% without fail? Even if he ended up being wrong, because even HE was not sure? and did not tell you this?

I think you are dead wrong in this.

she had another vet, one that is more qualified that said the one she is still using is wrong. wrong about the illness, wrong about how to treat the virus, wrong about her colony being cured, and now wrong about just using bleach in the racks to get rid of this unknown virus. i would have gone to someone else long ago, 100% her fault now.

 

[reagorfu]

Have you read her blog, or any of the other pertinaent information as well?

If so, you appear tohave a bit of a comprehension issue.




So, why not hold accountable those who had this virus a couple of years ago and swept it under the rug, instead of going through all of the work Jen has to try to learn something about it? Or maybe the guy that sold her the sick animal, is completely aware of it, and as far as I know is STILL selling sick animals?

I guess she's a much easier target.

And FWIW, I'm not a member of any kind of "BP club", nor do I post on any other reptile forums besides this one. Hm, we have the "wolf pack", the "Fauna Clique", and now apparently there is a "BP Club"...do I hear any others? And uh, does the "Brotherhood" know about this BP club?

i think that dan guy and the watte(?) guy who sold the boa to jen are in the wrong too, but sorry to say that it seems to me that she is in the wrong also. if you think she can keep sliding off the hook, cool.

and say what you will, but she is getting special treatment.

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

And FWIW, I'm not a member of any kind of "BP club", nor do I post on any other reptile forums besides this one. Hm, we have the "wolf pack", the "Fauna Clique", and now apparently there is a "BP Club"...do I hear any others? And uh, does the "Brotherhood" know about this BP club?

LOL Hey now... theres nothing wrong with the wolf pack!

 

[Cat_72]

she had another vet, one that is more qualified that said the one she is still using is wrong. wrong about the illness, wrong about how to treat the virus, wrong about her colony being cured, and now wrong about just using bleach in the racks to get rid of this unknown virus. i would have gone to someone else long ago, 100% her fault now.

I'm guessing you have no idea how research works?

When you are dealing with an unknown, do you sit back, watch animals die, and call that research?

No. You try new things, you try anything that MAY work. How do you think almot all of the vaccines and such we have were developed? From sitting and doing nothing?

Please show me where Dr. Jacobsen said that her vets (she had 3 other vets she was working with, not just one, 2 of whom specilize in reptiles and re well qualified) were so wrong, wrong, wrong. Many other vets were consulted along the way as well. She HAS gone somewhere else......tenfold.

And please show me where ANYTHING dr. Jaconbsen has done, ANYTHING besides tell Jen to do nothing that has led to any kind of assistance with the matter.

now wrong about just using bleach in the racks to get rid of this unknown virus

Probably not....there is a good chance, that properly used, bleach would indeed kill it. But....I, along with many others, agreed that we would not be willing to take that chance. You have any kind of documentation to show that there is no possible way it could? Any kind of degree that makes YOU smarter than any of these vets?

maybe i'm a jerk

Finally, something we can agree on.

 

[Cat_72]

i think that dan guy and the watte(?) guy who sold the boa to jen are in the wrong too, but sorry to say that it seems to me that she is in the wrong also. if you think she can keep sliding off the hook, cool.

and say what you will, but she is getting special treatment.

OK, we now have proof that you hae no clue what you are talking about.....

There is no "Dan" involved, and no boa either.....WTF?

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

and say what you will, but she is getting special treatment.

you want to know why? Because she came forward. She was honest about it.

 

[Cat_72]

you want to know why? Because she came forward. She was honest about it.

EXACTLY.

 

[reagorfu]

OK, we now have proof that you hae no clue what you are talking about.....

There is no "Dan" involved, and no boa either.....WTF?

i thought that dan sold the snake to the guy who sold it to jen. it has been some time since i read this whole thread. there were two vets that know about reptiles, i really don't care about the third. yeah, you can bash me all you want, i still believe what i believe. like i said before, you will most likely never see her as a bad guy because you have been in her corner from the start. good for you, you seem like a really nice and caring person and it is great that there are people like you in this community. i am not so much of a caring person. i see what i see, not really sorry about it either. she still comes up in the wrong in my book.

 

[Cat_72]

i thought that dan sold the snake to the guy who sold it to jen. it has been some time since i read this whole thread.

Exactly why I asked if you had even read it at all.....obviously, you are missing/confusing some facts. Before making the mistake of posting untruths, half truths, and erroneous information, as well as condemning someone trying to do the best they know how to do, it's always agood idea to make sure you have your facts straight.

there were two vets that know about reptiles, i really don't care about the third.

You should care about the third vet....he was sold a snake with the same virus. By the same person who sold the snakes to Jen. That gives him a vested interest in the whole deal, and learning all that he can as well. There were also MANY other vets consulted, near and far.

she still comes up in the wrong in my book.

Exactly why the others kept it a secret. They knew that no matter what they did, folks like you would point an ignorant finger at them.

 

[Otter_23]

Let's see first there is no DAN second the infected came according to her from Wyatt. She lost thousands of dollars in snakes and basically is black balled from ever selling anything snake related again because some jackass sold her a sick snake. She came forward spent more money on research not to mention how it effected her personal life. She never hid that it was in her collection and although she made some choices I would not have she never tried to bury or hide that she had sick snakes with a virus. That is why she is getting some understanding and compassion. Some scumbag who knew he had sick animals decided instead of researching and keeping others informed or cullying his collection to sell that collection to other unsuspecting people who in the end greatly disrupted at least one life and turned it completely upside down. She had dreams of breeding ball pythons and making a business out of it. She lost a lot of money, a lot of time, a marriage, friends and much more. SO HOW IN THE HELL WAS SHE LEFT OFF THE HOOK?

 

[Cat_72]

Let's see first there is no DAN second the infected came according to her from Wyatt. She lost thousands of dollars in snakes and basically is black balled from ever selling anything snake related again because some jackass sold her a sick snake. She came forward spent more money on research not to mention how it effected her personal life. She never hid that it was in her collection and although she made some choices I would not have she never tried to bury or hide that she had sick snakes with a virus. That is why she is getting some understanding and compassion. Some scumbag who knew he had sick animals decided instead of researching and keeping others informed or cullying his collection to sell that collection to other unsuspecting people who in the end greatly disrupted at least one life and turned it completely upside down. She had dreams of breeding ball pythons and making a business out of it. She lost a lot of money, a lot of time, a marriage, friends and much more. SO HOW IN THE HELL WAS SHE LEFT OFF THE HOOK?

Amen, Mark.

 

[Otter_23]

To be clear the choices she made that I would not have were to put up for sale her babies so soon after she thought the virus was gone, selling these racks etc... I commend her for coming forward but unfortunately after this incident I don't see many chosing to come forward again. Those with a higher moral and ethical sense may just quietly cull everything and start all over but there are those who will sell off their collection like Wyatt and hope that those they sell to won't say anything for fear of being black balled.