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The BoidSmith said:
One thing's for sure, someone that claims never to have animals die while in their care, they are either not 100% truthful or they haven't kept animals long enough. :rolleyes:
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True, Must have been a fluke! SHHHHHHHHHHHH! I know nothing............
 
jasballs said:
True, Must have been a fluke! SHHHHHHHHHHHH! I know nothing............
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Jen, Sorry to hijack your thread! But, It got awefull quite in here! You wont beleive how many breeders have sickness! LMAO! Better of buying ch. Now a days..
 
jasballs said:
Jen, Sorry to hijack your thread! But, It got awefull quite in here! You wont beleive how many breeders have sickness! LMAO! Better of buying ch. Now a days..
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You bring an excellent point John. The more animals you concentrate in close proximity the greater the chances that they fall with some disease. :)
 
The BoidSmith said:
You bring an excellent point John. The more animals you concentrate in close proximity the greater the chances that they fall with some disease. :)
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And transfer it to others without telling them? AWESOME!! :thumbsup:
 
jasballs said:
Listen. I have nothing against bhb. I just hate all of this Under cover SHIT!
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John, the reason HELL is now free is so that you can use that sort of language to vent in there. Saying "STUFF!" would have worked just as well. And your "fag" comment in the previous post isn't really going to be much appreciated by a lot of folks here or in hell either.

I know you're an outspoken sort of guy, but eventually this sort of stuff is going to get you banned. I'm not sure why you'd want that...because a lot of folks really do appreciate you posting here again. You'll be disappointing those folks if they cant enjoy your presence here.
 
The BoidSmith said:
No, Sammy. We were just discussing the effectiveness or not of bleach and how to improve it. See my comment below:



Best! :)
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Yeah I read that the first time. But that didnt cover the most important aspect of this, which was whether or not any of us would feel safe putting our animals in those racks. I was not trying to be a smart ass, I was sincerely interested in your opinion on that aspect because I know your veterinarian background and your knowledge on these types of things certainly surpasses mine. So thank you.
 
I also would avoid the CO2 method and research other methods instead. I believe i read somewhere as well, that snakes can survive a longer period without oxygen. I dont have time to look up the different facts now, but i will try to get to it later.

Freezing, as much as i hate it, would probably be your best bet, at least over the use of a Co2 chamber. Whomever is experienced in this matter though, should speak up and note the differences if they can. To make this a less stressful process for both Jen, and her snakes.
 
Jen......I'm so very sorry. I wish there was more we all could have done.

You have my number, please call me if there is ANYTHING I can help you with, reptile related or otherwise. Please keep in touch.

And just so you know, my offer is good indefinitely. If sometime, down the road, whenever....you decide you are ready.....there will always be an albino baby with your name on it.

*hugs*
 
I haven't done it yet. I majorly edited my profile the other day and made everything past tense so I wouldn't have to edit it again later. I didn't want to deal with any questions or any more e-mails saying "don't do it!" from people that really don't understand the whole picture.

Dr. Gordon told me freezing is slow and painful and absolutely cruel. So if I can't freeze them, can't put them to sleep with CO2, and can't afford dozens of individual lethal injections, how exactly am I supposed to do this?
 
What I heard somewhere was that you can use the CO2 to put them to sleep, then put them in the freezer to actually kill them.
I'm very sorry you are going through all of this. HUGS.
 
Jen,

My understanding (which I will admit isn't always completely correct) is that freezing would be most humane for small reptiles who do not have a good deal of mass, but for larger animals, the process IS slower and can be painful, as ice crystals will begin forming in the outer tissues before the core temp is low enough for them to be "far enough gone", to not be feeling it.

The CO2 method will work more slowly in the snakes than in a rodent, but I don't believe it would be inhumane....or less humane than freezing them.
 
JenHarrison said:
Dr. Gordon told me freezing is slow and painful and absolutely cruel. So if I can't freeze them, can't put them to sleep with CO2, and can't afford dozens of individual lethal injections, how exactly am I supposed to do this?
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Is there absolutely no way that you could work with the vet you have now, him having worked so closely with you, and these animals, and make an arrangement, at all? I would hate to see you, and the animals go through MORE crap, and i would hate for you to... as much as it sucks to say it, have to try several different "Home" methods to put them down, solely because you could not afford to do it with this vet. ( i Do understand the money issue, i really do... but id hope that the vet would be understanding of this, at the very least)
 
He offered to come out to my house and do it so that I don't have to haul them all over to Fitchburg, and I wouldn't have to pay for the service itself, but I still have to pay for the supplies (needles, bags, bottles of whatever it is that kills them -- phenobarbitol?). I literally have NO money right now. Without unloading too much personal baggage on here, let's just say that my douchebag ex-husband decided to run up an $800 phone bill last month, and another $270 one this month, and not give me a dime for it, nor a dime for the rent (despite him getting BAH from the Army to do so every month). I only work half-time right now and can't pick up too many extra shifts without overloading my parents with babysitting duties. So I am extremely behind in a lot of things right now, and putting $52 in my gas tank every week to get to work and food in my daughter's stomach takes priority over more continued vet bills.
 
Not to rub salt in a wound, but how would you be feeding "dozens" of animals if you weren't having to put them down?
 
DaveyFig said:
Not to rub salt in a wound, but how would you be feeding "dozens" of animals if you weren't having to put them down?
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Some people stock pile months of frozen rodents at a time (I certainly do), you know. Is it hard to believe that she doesn't have a freezer full of rodents that she purchased BEFORE all of this happened? :shrug01:
 
I don't believe for one minute that freezing snakes is inhumane. The snakes slowly go into brumation and then deeper to "sleep" Remember, they are ectotherms.
Thats my 2 cents. Using Phenobarbitol, M-99 and such is a waste of time and too expensize. C02 works, but slowly, it removes the oxygen from the container that the snakes are in, but results in a slower death than freezing.
 
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