JENNIFER HARRISON GOOD GAL!!!

[Pink Lady Exotics]

Proof? What, like pictures of the piles of dead bodies before I burn them? That's pretty morbid.

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

These are the two e-mails I got from him today:


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The IBD mention is very interesting. When i have some spare money aside, id gladly donate to the cause.
I understand that its the nature of a Virus to change/adapt/mutate . And When i spoke to Dr. Fitzgerald about the subject, he mentioned that they are also seeing cases in Cornsnakes and Kingsnakes as two examples mentioned. and in the other threads that have been active on the BOI others have mentioned that the virus is also being seen in some hots. Maybe the virus really has mutated? I dont know, but that would certainly explain what the heck is going on....

 

[lanceheads]

Alicia,
I think the virus was VERY isolated in hots. In fact, that was a paper written many, many years ago in a lab setting. I have not heard of this in recent years.
Trust me, I keep up with this, as I mainly have hot snakes in my collection, and have had for 35+ years.

Randal

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

Alicia,
I think the virus was VERY isolated in hots. In fact, that was a paper written many, many years ago in a lab setting. I have not heard of this in recent years.
Trust me, I keep up with this, as I mainly have hot snakes in my collection, and have had for 35+ years.

Randal

Thats alright, and good to know. the more info verifying fact Vs. rumor is better than nothing at all. I will have to go and dig up the link/s? that were found.

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

Thats alright, and good to know. the more info verifying fact Vs. rumor is better than nothing at all. I will have to go and dig up the link/s? that were found.

Found the info which you posted in the previous thread. Thanks Randall.

 

[johns6068]

The last I checked none of us was made perfect!!! Some may think it but then again they are the ones who usually end up looking like the stupid ones in the end . Anyhow I think it rude and harsh to demand photos or proof of her destroying them "that's my personal opinion" I feel if she hasn't proved to you by now that she is trying to be honest all the way then what the heck is some photos going to do as to ease of mind??? Anyone can fake photos??? You want her to body tag each one???Even that can be faked?? Yeah the girl has made mistakes who wouldn't have??? I don't need photos to belive her. If she was that dishonest she would have never came forward in the first place. Plain and Simple

 

[johns6068]

If we are the Sally Sorthers then you must be the??????

Doubting Thomas: is a term that is used to describe someone who will refuse to believe something without direct, physical, personal evidence.

 

[johns6068]

If we are the Sally Sorthers then you must be the??????

Doubting Thomas: is a term that is used to describe someone who will refuse to believe something without direct, physical, personal evidence.

I'm Just kidding with you John Stranahan We have to have a little fun sometime

I hear your point and I think everyone is just as concerned that all is done as so it doesn't spread anymore.

 

[Pink Lady Exotics]

I hope people realize that it doesn't just end with me. Wyatt sold many other snakes at the same time I bought my het clown from him, all of which have very good chances of potentially carrying this virus -- and he is STILL selling snakes, via his girlfriend. What bothered me most, is that even when I came forward about what was happening, he continued to sell snakes -- and seemed very apparently "dumping" his collection and equipment at dirt cheap prices to get what he could before this all came out. Hence 2 more people suffered illnesses and losses (and who knows who else may have also had losses that just didn't come forward or weren't aware of the BOI -- like Jason wasn't until I showed him). I have e-mailed both Mike and Jason to let them know where Dr. Jacobson is at regarding his research, as they very well may need to shut down their collections as well if this turns out to be something related to IBD. It isn't IBD directly, as in all the necropsies I had done, all liver tissues repeatedly tested negative for inclusion bodies -- but at least this is a potential lead as to what the hell it is.

So I am picking out 3 individuals to have lung, spleen, and liver tissues removed from for analysis -- the rest are going to be frozen, as that seems to be by all accounts my only real option for the least cruel form of death. Ugh.

If anyone wants to donate toward the costs of my past vet bills that I still owe, or the new ones that these new samples are going to rack up, you can either PayPal me at:

[email protected]

or mail it to:

Fitchburg Veterinary Hospital
Attn: Dr. Mark Gordon
6249 Nesbitt Road
Madison, WI 53719

On the check/money order, please write "ATTN: Ball Python Virus Research -- Jennifer Harrison". They had already recieved a couple donations way back in the beginning, so they know what to do with it. If possible, please include your name and e-mail address as they save copies and I would like to be able to thank you. My last lovely little pink past-due note from them had a balance of $779. That was for 2 sets of euthanasias, necropsies and histopathies (tissue sample prep) -- and after my own payment of $200 at the time. So you can guesstimate what 3 new sets are going to add up to. As for Dr. Jacobson's bill, I have no idea what I owe yet -- I haven't recieved anything in the mail, but he may be billing it to Dr. Gordon and then I pay through them. Not sure. The estimate Dr. Gordon gave me when he sent everything down there was $250 per test that was run x 6 different tissue samples x 2 snakes = $3,000. I really hope it isn't that much. As soon as I find out what it is, I will post it.

I also e-mailed Dr. Jacobson back and asked where I should have people send donations to to help continue funding his research into this virus. Hopefully he'll respond today and I will post it when he does. I'm thinking of petitioning the big breeders to ask them to contribute donations to the lab.

One thing I noticed above is that some people took my $15,000 figure and thought it was all vet bills -- which isn't the case. My vet bills at the local clinics have been over $1,500 thus far, plus the estimate for the testing in Florida as mentioned above ($3,000). The rest of that figure is what I have lost in animals thus far (morphs and hets only, not counting normals). That figure is soon to go way up after I euthanize what I have left and discard all of my equipment. I never in my life thought I would end up in this position. I knew I took a risk buying animals that can fail to produce, possibly die, and lose market value, but I never EVER thought they would all be wiped out within a matter of months, leaving me with nothing. Plus now my jerk of an ex-husband is demanding I repay him the $2500 he gave me to buy the adult female het g-stripe that I lost -- even though back when I bought her, he said she was a gift to "get my business going". I love how people take things back when it's convenient for them.

Also, for everyone who has offered to donate animals to me -- I greatly appreciate it, and deeply thank you, but I am done with snakes. I am so burned out and hurt by this entire ordeal, that I no longer have any desire to work with them any more. I can barely stand to be in my snake room right now as it is. Not to mention that my priority is finishing my classes and making sure I can make ends meet now that I'm pretty much a single mom with a whole bunch of debt. I won't have the time, energy, or money it takes to maintain a collection -- nor buy all new equipment to house them. So if you have animals you wanted to donate to me (like the two Dan and Colette have set aside for me -- if you guys are reading this), I ask that you sell them and use the proceeds to fund the research into this virus. I really want to get some answers on what happened to my animals, as I'm sure everyone in this hobby does, and there is only one way to do it.

As for proof of my collection being destroyed -- well, I guess I will take a pic of the dead bodies and link to it for those that want to see it. I am not going to take pics of every single individual nor with ID's -- I have somewhere around 70 snakes right now, when you combine my baby kingsnakes and baby ball pythons in with the few adults I had left after all was said and done. That would be way too time consuming and traumatic to have to catalog them all when I put them down. I'm sorry if that's not good enough for some of you, but I am not going to make this harder than it already is. When the racks get taken away by one of the two people that volunteered to haul them, I will have them post here or post copies of the e-mails they send me. That's about all I can do.

 

[lillyorchid]

I hear your point and I think everyone is just as concerned that all is done as so it doesn't spread anymore.

Exactly. I do believe Jen will do the right thing in the end and yes she has done more then most people would for her animals, but sadly not everyone is honest. I think people here want to help her out along with making sure that this virus isn't spread any further. We are all just very worried about the "what if's" because this virus is very unknown right now. We are all human and we all do makes mistakes, but also as humans we for the most part are afraid of the "unknown". It's very sad and my heart does go out for Jen and all of her animals. I can see why John, myself, and others have said we'd like some kind of proof that snakes and racks are good and gone. Yes very morbid, but as a breeder or any kind of animal I'm sure we all have seen some very morbid things in our lives. In the end we just want to know for sure that all animals and racks have been destroyed.

I'll be more then happy to send money in to Dr. Jacobson for further research into this virus. I hope he allows use to contribute towards this research he is doing. If he does please post his address/phone number. I'm sure it is listed somewhere in these hundreds of pages, but right now I do not have time to go searching for it.

 

[lillyorchid]

Well Jen you beat me to it Please don't mind me asking for Dr. Jacobson's address/phone # since it has been posted.

 

[Pink Lady Exotics]

I don't have it yet -- I'm waiting on his response. He works for the University of Florida and I asked him for the address of wherever he wants the donations sent to, whether it be a physical address or PayPal address, etc. His contact info from this website (http://www.gulfbase.org/person/view.php?uid=ejacobson) is this:

Dr. Elliot R. Jacobson
Small Animal Clinical Sciences
PO Box 100126
College of Veterinary Medicine
University of Florida
Gainesville, FL 32610-0126

(352) 392-4700 ext. 5700

[email protected]

Not all animals are being destroyed; remember, I am keeping my two pets. Well, most likely one since Lucky isn't looking so good. She never really rebounded after laying her eggs. I'm sorry, but no one can make me kill Spoon...it just isn't going to happen. If he gets sick at some later point, I will put him out of his misery, but until then, he will ALWAYS stay with me. It isn't like he poses a threat to anyone -- there aren't going to be any other reptiles here, I don't go visit anyone that has reptiles, and I haven't gone to a show in 2 years. So he's isolated in my house.

And as I mentioned above, this virus doesn't end with me. It is still spreading via Wyatt's continued sales and still may exist within the collections of the others that recieved sick snakes from him.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

I can see why John, myself, and others have said we'd like some kind of proof that snakes and racks are good and gone. Yes very morbid, but as a breeder or any kind of animal I'm sure we all have seen some very morbid things in our lives. In the end we just want to know for sure that all animals and racks have been destroyed.

Why demand proof from someone who's been up front and honest through the whole situation...Why would she be dishonest at this point? Everything has been destroyed for her in regards to this hobby already.

What good will that do for those that are hiding it? Shouldn't you be more concerned with Wyatt continuing selling snakes and the other people he's sold infected animals through who haven't come forward because of how Jen has been crucified?

Jeeze, you guys just like to nick pick and make things harder on her when she's the victim and their are others who you should be concerned about who are being dishonest.

 

[Pink Lady Exotics]

Stef, it's OK. I understand why they're asking for proof. If they want a pic, then I'll take one. I have to do what I have to do at this point. I just don't want people thinking that once my animals are gone, this virus is eradicated -- because it isn't. Far from it.

Does my incubator have to be destroyed too? If so, how do I do that? It's a gutted refrigerator with a plexiglass door.

 

[lillyorchid]

Stef,

I'm not picking on anyone. I'm just trying to look out for others. Like I said I do believe Jen will do the right thing. I know I can speak for myself along with others that we ALL are very concerned when it comes to who Wyatt has sold animals to. I do hope they do show face at some point OR have read what Jen has done and do the same to there collections and do stop all sales of there animals.

 

[NorthernRegius.com]

Jen, as a divorcee myself, gifts are not included in settlements- but it does show what an a$$ he is. His bills however (phone etc) that he's sticking you with are something which you can demand repayment... and I hope you've involved his 1ST SGT as it quicker than a court date. Sorry to see bad stuff happen to good folks.

 

[morphevolutions]

One thing that bugs me a lot is the cost of these vets bills. If Jen is donating all of these samples for test and further research, you would think that the vets would give her some kind of break on the price. I understand they need to make a living, but if she's providing some "groundwork" research samples, to charge her this kind of money when she could have simply chose to freeze the snakes and throw them away is crazy.

Maybe I missed something, but IMO these vets need to contribute a little more then what they have, if they really think this is so important. It's easy to tell people to "do the right thing", especially when it's not your $1500 and more.

 

[ophidile]

morphevolutions - unfortunately, doing these kinds of tests and research is *expensive*, and right now most research is in a budget crunch (lots of academic research money comes from the government, which is spending everything in iraq/tax cuts right now; not saying that's good or bad here, just how it is, very little money for human medical research, muchless reptile research!)
While I'd certainly hope the vets and researcher will give Jen a break when they can, it may be that they are just unable to.

Jen, sorry to hear you are set on euthanizing your collection.
It's probably the most gruesome and emotionally hard way to do it, but wouldn't chopping off heads actually be the fastest/least painful? When doing research on rats and mice, it was considered an acceptably humane way of sacrificing them. Freezing certainly wasn't.
Alternatively, maybe refrigerate them first, so that they "go to sleep", before freezing? D: Damn that sucks.

 

[Pink Lady Exotics]

Deb, he doesn't have a 1SG that would give a crap. He is in the middle of chaptering out and taking an uncharacterized general discharge because he just can't hack it anymore -- so his command has washed their hands of him. They don't want anything to do with him, and subsequently, he doesn't go to PT, go to work, or report in whatsoever any more. He pretty much spends his days sleeping and watching movies. They won't do anything to help me.

I can't chop off the heads of 70 snakes. I can't even prekill rodents.

 

[johns6068]

Maybe I over looked this...I keep hearing about this Wyatt guy and his sister also. What is his name exactly or what name are they still selling snakes under???? Like some said earlier more effort needs to be focused on them as this is a person who is still selling infected snakes!!!! Jen isn't!!! so if there is people who like or want to tear into someone or like doing that kind of thing I think there is where the firepower needs to be aimed