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Jerry Detwiler Canopy Creations BAD GUY!!!!!!

One last thing, IF that snake was in that condition due to "breeding mose" it should have never been used for breeding in the first place. NO snake would lose that kind of weight (at least with a end result of that pathetic looking albino) just due to breeding.
 
gravid - itisis ?

I've never heard of a male breeding 7 females. Anyone ?
Dave Derrick
 
well...

Well my better instinct tells me stay out of this, but then again I feel like Michael is definately in the right. Also this is not the first time Jerry has done something along these lines.

All I can say is what happened with my dealing with Jerry.

A few years ago I had a small group of Ceylonese I was raising up also an adult female. Jerry had called me up offering me some Chondros, but nothing panned out. We kept semi-regular contact (mainly on his part calling me.) He seemed like a really nice guy and sent me pictures of a "top secret" breeding project. He sent me some decent pics of an albino pimbura looking python. He claimed it to be a pure pimbura that was amelanistic... He said he needed a female pimbura to breed it to, and said if I sent him my female he would send her back after breeding and a pair of "hets". After months of staying in contact with him, and hearing all of these "updates" on her breeding and this that and the other yet nothing coming my way I get a phone call from a breeder. To my surprise this fellow had purchased my pimbura off of Jerry months before, and had heard through the grapevine Jerry only had it on breeding loan from me and that I was still under the impression he had it.

This fellow filled me on everything then even paid me a fair price for the snake, AFTER he had already paid Jerry for it. I in turn sold him the rest of my colony for a very very fair price for him being so honest. Jerry has yet to apologize or accept any responsibility.

I know I am going to get attact on character, but I had a very good reputation at one time. I have never intentionally screwed anyone, and everyone has or is being taken care of. This though is malicious in my opinion on Jerry's part.

Good luck Mike, you'll need it.

J
 
First off, I would like to say HOTS OFF to the guy who contacted you after he had already bought it from Jerry. I would like to know his name and I think everyone should no of someone who would act like that!!!
I am not aware of the situation you speak of, on the other hand why would I, but that is flat out WRONG and discusting. He not only tried to stick you for the snake he sold of yours, but I also look at it this way. If he indeed had a albino that he was going to breed yours to and give you a pair of hets, he has also screwed you out of the money for the hets (whatever going price would have been) and any future income you would have received from the future breeding of the hets.
I have no reason to doubt what your story is saying. If this is indeed true (hell, even if it were just a normal x normal and was to receive a pair of "normals" out of the deal) that single story would keep me from buying from him...........now and forever.
That is flat out wrong!!!!!

There seems to be allot of this "selling of a breeder loan" type stuff going on this past year. I cannot believe people have ZERO respect for themselves and would do such a thing.....not to mention the person they are screwing. It would take the trash of all trash to do something like that.

At least you were compensated and again, hets off tot he guy/gal that did so!
 
Hey Brian

Hey Brian,

It's been about 3-4 years. I also never did business with the fellow again. Maybe he will see this and speak up, although who knows if he's even in herps anymore. I believe his name was Chris, but can't say for certain.

Also he told me the albino was nothing more than a burm pimbura cross..


hasta,
J
 
Maybe it's just my computer but, does the male in the picture with the female that jerry posted look like the male that Michael posted? There seems to be some size discrepancy in the head size as well as girth. I don't see how a snake as small and skinny as the one Michael posted could ever have been as fat as the one jerry posted.

Any one else concur on this?

Wes Pollock
 
That was my original thought, but decided to just say (from my other post) something along the lines of how do we know that is the same albino.
That is what I was thinking though. Who knows with people these days.
 
Where did 'ol Jerry go. He sure was involved in this thread until some legitimate questions arrose from me and others.

I my humble little opinion, it sounds like someone was trying to scam someone out of both the $ and the snake!

We should all keep a pic of the snake that Mike received. Reason why is, you watch, it will be up for sale again in the near future!!

So sorry this happened to you Mike............like I always say (to myself) live and learn. In this case, you now know of someone NOT to do business with even IF he made good on it. I would not trust him.
 
Mr. Detwiler,

You stated I starved the boa to death??? For the past 5 months you told me is was twice the weight and was doing great!!!! When you told me he died after YOU had him for 5 months you said you would send the pictures of him dead. Where are the pictures? Maybe he did not die after alll and maybe you found someone else to buy him for more money since as you claim he was twice the size and 100% healthy after 5 months in you care.
You have not returned ANY of my phone calls for the pat month. You told me on the phone you would send me a full refund. Your excuse was that you had to wait to get money from someone at sea on an oil rig. AGAIN you stated on the phone you would refund my money and sent me an email that you would refund my money.
Here is the email.....
----- Original Message -----
From: Lila Detwiler
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 2:47 PM
Subject: Albiono Boa



Hi Mike, as per my request during our conversation this morning, Just ship the albino boa back this monday for a refund. I feel that this is the best way to solve this .I don't feel that you are comfortable trying to Flag the snake.This is the best I can do for the both of us
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Thank you, Jerry


After I called you about the refund several times you stated the albino was doing great and you would just send himn back to me.

About your 48 hour guartentee, I called you the next morning and you stated don't worry "he is in breeding mode"

Mr. Detwiler please pay the money you owe me.

Michael Yarish
 
Jerry "Mike stated he didn't have other snakes, "

Were did I state that? You know I have other snakes. When I received the albino from you it was Quarenteened in a seperate room. After he would not eat at YOUR suggestion I put him with a CB Columbian I bought in 1994. Yeah, I know that was stupip on my part. I though Jerry was being honest with with. He told me he bread SEVEN boa and now after talking to actual breeders they just laugh.


Jerry "he had and even posted not to long ago regarding a snake he purchased from someone else (sexed wrong) So he does in fact have others. "

Again you know I have other boas and the albino from you was kept in a different room. The mis-sexed boa came from Rich Ihle which was a SIMPLE mistake which he made GOOD on. Rich Ihle is a stand up guy who cares about what he sells

Jerry "That is why we limit our policy to 48 hours, as stated in our terms section of our web site. "

I called you the NEXT day and you said he was "just in breeding mode" after breeding SEVEN females.

Jerry "But the real Kicker is this! Mikes own Vet stated that he thought it was from worms contracted by feeding Live Rodents. I asked Mike about this and he said he didn't feed live yet he e mailed me at one time stating he didin fact feed it live."

The vet said that was a POSSIBLE solutin but she was not sure. Mr. Detwiler the boa was VERY skinny when I picked it up from Delta.

Jerry "Mike sent the snake back starved, skin and bones and never took it to the Vet for treatment! "

I called you every few days and you said he was fine he just had to adjust


Jerry " but it was too little too late."


What are you talking about "to late"??? After YOU had him for 5 months you said he was 100% healthy and twice the size



Jerry "Go to my site to view the snake breeding, This is the condition Mike got it."

Wrong Mr. Detwiler, at the begining of this post is a picture the night I picked him up I took beside a dollar bill. The FIRST thing I do is take a photograph of any boa I receive.


It is funny know how your computer works. I have sent at least 40 email with no responce from you



AGAIN THIS IS AN EMAIL FROM YOU.......

----- Original Message -----
From: Lila Detwiler
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 2:47 PM
Subject: Albiono Boa



Hi Mike, as per my request during our conversation this morning, Just ship the albino boa back this monday for a refund. I feel that this is the best way to solve this .I don't feel that you are comfortable trying to Flag the snake.This is the best I can do for the both of us
.

Thank you, Jerry


Michael Yarish
 
Enclosed is a copy of the email Jerry sent me telling me he would reund my money dated July 11,2003
Also is the UPS receipt showing the albino was deleivered to him on July 15, 2003







----- Original Message -----
From: Lila Detwiler
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 2:47 PM
Subject: Albiono Boa



Hi Mike, as per my request during our conversation this morning, Just ship the albino boa back this monday for a refund. I feel that this is the best way to solve this .I don't feel that you are comfortable trying to Flag the snake.This is the best I can do for the both of us
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Thank you, Jerry




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It is in black and white... please refund as you stated

Michael Yarish
 
I'm glad Jerry "said" he'd send you a refund....took long enough + aLL the post.
I posted how he done me.....I guess I'm just out of luck. He's never offered a refund to me.
The funny thing is..IF Jerry is willing to correct the problem with the albino....why did it take ALL these post to get him to do it ?
If any of you get the time and do a search on Jerry Detwiler. He done me VERY wrong. Only thing I truely got from him was learning NOt to buy from him& an ugly Hypo
If ANYONE reads my former post....please post your opinions. Why will he work things out with Mike & not me? I glad for you Mike BUT....Jerry owes me ALOT!
Dave Derrick
 
I am not sure what matters with a more recent email. The most important email they could have had between the two of them is the one that was posted. Mike was told 6 months ago that he could send the boa back and get a refund. That is all I would post as that is all that would matter to me. Mike is not denying that he would have taken the boa back if it were in good health, but that never became an option since it apparently died. So, then, he deserves the refund that Jerry himself told him he would get.
 
I was interested in knowing more about this claim

Mike called and e mailed after the Vet told him it just needed worming and atated he wanted the snake not a refund. He requested that I continue treatment on the snake so this is what was agreeded to. Mike knows this all is true and knows I have all the e mails to back it up! Jerry Detwiler
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I have seen nothing to back any claim by Jerry.
It seems very obvious to me what Jerry's intentions were when he sold the snake originally.
 
No

He wrote a post for me to contact him. He never replied,never called. It was a while back..but he still owes me.
Dave Derrick
 
My Two Cents

Having done business one time with Jerry in the past, and having met Mike in San Diego, guess I'll toss in my two cents since I've dealt with both individuals in this thread :)

I spoke with Mike in San Diego about his issue with Jerry. For starters, Mike is a very patient, polite guy who did not want to post anything negative on Jerry, but who's patience was wearing thin with the excuses he was being handed. Mike is also a professional photographer, thus I'd be willing to bet his assertion that he photographs all new animals is valid !

Fact: Mike received an emaciated boa from Jerry. This boa's condition was documented by Mike, and his concerns with it's condition voiced to Jerry. Jerry agreed to refund the cost of the animal in his e-mail once shipped back. CASE CLOSED !

I guess the kicker to me is that even after sending the boa back, Mike was told it was fine up until it died. I'm sure if there would have been a clause in that e-mail from Jerry about the animal dieing being Mike's responsibility, Mike would have certainly taken the boa to the vet on his own.

Jerry, do the right thing ! Heck, I'm working on replacing a high-dollar animal for a Daytona customer that I didn't even sell or collect a cent for (was sold by one of my guys working the booth).
Reputation is everything in this business, and honestly, this situation is not in your favor.

Stephen Emerick
Napa Valley Snakes
 
I think that is some good insight (fair and balanced) to the parties involved. Even without it, I still say Mike is more than deserving of a refund.
Where oh where is Jerry all of a sudden (last 20 hours or so)?
 
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