Bad Guy JERRY TRESSER--BAD GUY- the worst kind

[KNOBTAIL]

Hey Ben

In my situation if we litigate this , I can loose $ 900. I thiink I would prefer to litigate the matter at this time... Because if anyone is lying, its you.. You specifically told me that the skinks came First from the San Diego zoo, then you changed your mind and told me it came from Bushmaster. I was willing to pay you at our meeting whatever you paid for the skink less the $ 100, and you declined that offer. You stood by your 7 day guarantee period and we parted as quietly as we started. I never was belligerent towards you, nor acted in any ungentlemanly manner... Are you going to tell me that this is all made up as well., That my phone calls were made up , that my conversations with Billy were made up . that the skink is doing very well.

I dont think I could create that kind of a conspirisy ! You have done a very good job in making sure your friends have come to your rescue. Regardless of what I may say, its some hidden agenda of mine that I have been doing for years.. !!!!

This much I can tell you. without another idiocy remark about hindering the investigation that you brought up.. There will always be death related lawsuits . Your no exception !... You caused your own problem, not I , Your publicity and the arrogance that you portrayed about your waiver, without even mentioning the loss of a person right outside your establishment , does not surprise me. that was on the nightly news.. Thats probably my fault as well... Not sure what the medical examiners report will provide, but written articles on people eating roaches have caused internal allergic reactions which I hope for your sake was not the cause of death or leading to it...

You should be responsible for your own actions, and stop diverting blame elsewhere. It was your operation, your premise, your advertising, and it may be your demise ! Not sure how insurance plays into this , not sure if this was an after hours gathering, and not sure if you are a corporation or a sole owner.

What I am sure about is the stress you created for yourself , your wife and your manager, is your doings. Not mine... Aa you said , I was not even there Thank goodness. At least I cannot be blamed for that..

You are correct, attornires can be expensive, these matters usually end up if you are not insured , depending on whether you are a corporation, in bankruptcy, which may be something that may raise its ugly head . Attornies like deep pockets. Wrongful death suits usually sympathize with those who have had the loss.

Spare me the antics and take some responsibility for yourself and those whom you brought into this nightmare with your lack of thinking onhaving this insect eating extravanza.. I am sure one of your handful of duty bound friends will immediately respond..

" Im finding that out really fast. I sure hope that any of the false things he wrote don't upset me and my family or my manager or his family. No doubt they have already hurt the investigation that is underway by spewing out complete lies about an incident that Jerry was not even at. "

Your familty, manager and yourself have every right to be upset. Noting that I have written or mentioned that has not already been discussed on many of the other herp boards as well as articles, Tv.etc.


You have been the one lying not I. Unfortunately your cronies need to bring in things that have no relatioship to the matter on hand other than to disect everything I say in order to justify everything you seem to elucidate...

Now you have the unmittigated audacity to include your current miseries with this roach lunacy that I HAVE ALREADY HURT THE INVESTIGATION...

You give me to much credit Ben, I hope thing work out well for you. No need replying. This is now over.

You started this post, not i . I was hoping to avoid this altogether, but you managed to bring this to the forefront for no reason at all, but to start a flame war. when all you would have had to do was to be reasonable a little for a settlement and call it a day.. Not Ben Siegel , he's to smart, he has a waiver..! Goodnight.

 

[bmr1052]

" You should be responsible for your own actions, and stop diverting blame elsewhere......"

That is very good advice Jerry, you should try to do the same. You keep bringing up the incident that occured... What does it have to do with you ripping off Ben? Personally I don't think you have the animal in question anymore, my bet is you sold it.

 

[scaledverts]

In my situation if we litigate this , I can loose $ 900. I thiink I would prefer to litigate the matter at this time... Because if anyone is lying, its you.. You specifically told me that the skinks came First from the San Diego zoo, then you changed your mind and told me it came from Bushmaster. I was willing to pay you at our meeting whatever you paid for the skink less the $ 100, and you declined that offer. You stood by your 7 day guarantee period and we parted as quietly as we started. I never was belligerent towards you, nor acted in any ungentlemanly manner... Are you going to tell me that this is all made up as well., That my phone calls were made up , that my conversations with Billy were made up . that the skink is doing very well.

I dont think I could create that kind of a conspirisy ! You have done a very good job in making sure your friends have come to your rescue. Regardless of what I may say, its some hidden agenda of mine that I have been doing for years.. !!!!

This much I can tell you. without another idiocy remark about hindering the investigation that you brought up.. There will always be death related lawsuits . Your no exception !... You caused your own problem, not I , Your publicity and the arrogance that you portrayed about your waiver, without even mentioning the loss of a person right outside your establishment , does not surprise me. that was on the nightly news.. Thats probably my fault as well... Not sure what the medical examiners report will provide, but written articles on people eating roaches have caused internal allergic reactions which I hope for your sake was not the cause of death or leading to it...

You should be responsible for your own actions, and stop diverting blame elsewhere. It was your operation, your premise, your advertising, and it may be your demise ! Not sure how insurance plays into this , not sure if this was an after hours gathering, and not sure if you are a corporation or a sole owner.

What I am sure about is the stress you created for yourself , your wife and your manager, is your doings. Not mine... Aa you said , I was not even there Thank goodness. At least I cannot be blamed for that..

You are correct, attornires can be expensive, these matters usually end up if you are not insured , depending on whether you are a corporation, in bankruptcy, which may be something that may raise its ugly head . Attornies like deep pockets. Wrongful death suits usually sympathize with those who have had the loss.

Spare me the antics and take some responsibility for yourself and those whom you brought into this nightmare with your lack of thinking onhaving this insect eating extravanza.. I am sure one of your handful of duty bound friends will immediately respond..

" Im finding that out really fast. I sure hope that any of the false things he wrote don't upset me and my family or my manager or his family. No doubt they have already hurt the investigation that is underway by spewing out complete lies about an incident that Jerry was not even at. "

Your familty, manager and yourself have every right to be upset. Noting that I have written or mentioned that has not already been discussed on many of the other herp boards as well as articles, Tv.etc.


You have been the one lying not I. Unfortunately your cronies need to bring in things that have no relatioship to the matter on hand other than to disect everything I say in order to justify everything you seem to elucidate...

Now you have the unmittigated audacity to include your current miseries with this roach lunacy that I HAVE ALREADY HURT THE INVESTIGATION...

You give me to much credit Ben, I hope thing work out well for you. No need replying. This is now over.

You started this post, not i . I was hoping to avoid this altogether, but you managed to bring this to the forefront for no reason at all, but to start a flame war. when all you would have had to do was to be reasonable a little for a settlement and call it a day.. Not Ben Siegel , he's to smart, he has a waiver..! Goodnight.

??? You should stop while you are ahead here!

On another note, to all - the discussion of the recent tragedy that happened at Ben's shop is in no way relevent to this thread and off topic. Do not discuss that in this thread.

I would actually argue that we are not so much "rescuing" Ben as condemning your actions here! There's nothing to "rescue" on Ben's part here to begin with. You've made your own bed and now you must lie in it!

 

[Pinky gecko girl]

Hey jerry why do you keep talking about other things besides your own? Wow this guy is such a bad person! I hope Ben takes him to court! It sucks but someone needs to stop this guy in his tracks. Bully that's all he is!!!

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Keep deflecting using the unfortunate incident that has nothing to do with you. You brought up the bug contest for no reason at all. One can only suppose you thought your argument was weak and needed a diversion.

I don't know Jerry, here we have two different people/businesses who thought enough you to let you walk with animals not yet paid for. I'd say that is some pretty good treatment. Neither have been paid and both tell the same story with your avoidance of the transaction and a supposed death of the animals. It was mention that a third company is coming forward as well. The reading public can come to their own determination. For many it may looks like a pattern.

So why would people that treat you so well suddenly have issues with the way you dealt with the situations? Could be you might want to look inward for the answer instead of flaring around about a contest that has nothing to do with you or your transactions in any remote way.

 

[Fangthane]

You specifically told me that the skinks came First from the San Diego zoo, then you changed your mind and told me it came from Bushmaster....
... Are you going to tell me that this is all made up as well., That my phone calls were made up , that my conversations with Billy were made up . that the skink is doing very well.

Let me guess, this was all over the phone? How convenient that seemingly everything that you're citing to show your innocence, happened over the phone, where it can't be verified, aside from by illegal wire-tapping. I'd think such an old pro would know better than to disregard the prudent need for more of a paper trail.

I dont think I could create that kind of a conspirisy ! You have done a very good job in making sure your friends have come to your rescue. Regardless of what I may say, its some hidden agenda of mine that I have been doing for years.. !!!!

What a pitiful excuse for a clever trap. If we post, you'd have us painted as accomplices, and not objective. Pretty lame. You clearly believe that you have a way with words; but you don't. You're a half-assed pseudo-intellectual, at best. You're trying to project your own lack of integrity on to us. Your attempt is as weak and transparent as everything else you've posted, thus far.

So you'd have people believe that the simple act of us refuting your self-serving and unsubstantiable claims, automatically puts us in league with Ben? Is that what you were doing, when you chose to be more active on the BOI? You were just blindly supporting one party, out of some sense of loyal obligation? You can't really cast those aspersions at us, without implicating yourself in the same duplicity.

This much I can tell you. without another idiocy remark about hindering the investigation that you brought up.. There will always be death related lawsuits . Your no exception !... You caused your own problem, not I , Your publicity and the arrogance that you portrayed about your waiver, without even mentioning the loss of a person right outside your establishment , does not surprise me. that was on the nightly news.. Thats probably my fault as well... Not sure what the medical examiners report will provide, but written articles on people eating roaches have caused internal allergic reactions which I hope for your sake was not the cause of death or leading to it...

Blah, blah, blah. More irrelevant deflection.

You should be responsible for your own actions, and stop diverting blame elsewhere.

You should heed your own advice.

What I am sure about is the stress you created for yourself , your wife and your manager, is your doings. Not mine... Aa you said , I was not even there Thank goodness. At least I cannot be blamed for that..

You are correct, attornires can be expensive, these matters usually end up if you are not insured , depending on whether you are a corporation, in bankruptcy, which may be something that may raise its ugly head . Attornies like deep pockets. Wrongful death suits usually sympathize with those who have had the loss.

And all of this has exactly what to do with your choice to steal the lizard? You sure do seem to be trying to get him to focus his attentions elsewhere. For someone that claims to be so eager for litigation, you appear awfully desperate to convince him that he should just forget about your thievery.

Spare me the antics and take some responsibility for yourself..

More advice that would be applicable, had you directed it toward yourself.

I am sure one of your handful of duty bound friends will immediately respond..

For all of your 20 years in the business, and your countless big-name customers, I wonder why no one's defending you... I know, I know, you're suddenly on the Bobby Hill ego-trip. We're all a bunch of "grubby little trolls", who are ganging up on the poor scammer. How rude of us, to no blithely buy into your lame excuses.

You have been the one lying not I. Unfortunately your cronies need to bring in things that have no relatioship to the matter on hand other than to disect everything I say in order to justify everything you seem to elucidate...

You mean like your continual, moronic rantings about the completely unrelated tragedy at his store?

You started this post, not i . I was hoping to avoid this altogether,..

I bet you were. I'm sure you were banking heavily on the likelihood that you'd be able to capitalize on his current situation to divert his attention from you. Pretty damn low, that you'd be so willing to not only rip him off, but also try to hide behind a separate tragedy. Pretty cowardly, if you ask me.

 

[BenSiegelReptiles]

low down--- its almost painful watching at this point. And you know what Jerry--aside from all your money based fear and greed---a nice guy died who had 2 surviving daughters and you are using that situation as fuel to divert attention away from your fraudulent behavior. Thats about as shady a move as I have ever seen, but the curtain is up! There is no coming back from this. YOU KNOW AT THIS POINT your reputation is done? Keep posting--every post you make digs yourself deeper--the BOI bandit is actually not the GREAT GUY who IS SO HONEST when it comes to his own back yard. Your a sad sad man Jerry Tresser. Petty-cheap and a have no concept of morals or truth. I have seen people like you before Jerry--I think everyone here has---

 

[cobain1309]

Ben, You have enough evidence for small claims court. he doesnt have a leg to stand on.small court fee $175.00 attorney's can not participate plus you can prove malicius act meaning treble damages plus court cost and youre time.that is $3425.00 bucks.I hate people/scum that pray on people's kindness.Karma's a bitch
Chris G

 

[Rawbbeh]

I have never done business with either of these people, Jerry or Ben, and have actually never really heard of Ben Siegel until I saw the tragic accident that happened at his facility.

With that being said...and taking an unbiased approach to this (as I have no interest or relations with either party) this is what I make of it all.

Ben, being an established reptile vendor both from his store, the internet, and at expos, having a company under which he does business, has a Live Animal Guarantee that says they guarantee the animal's health for 7 days, and, according to recounts from others, he is very good about fixing a situation, should it arise, to make things whole.

Jerry, having bought this skink, an animal priced at appx $1,000, paid 10% of the settled price and took the animal home, which would then fall under the Live Animal Guarantee that Ben operates under with any transaction he makes by default, unless specified otherwise.

Three weeks after the purchase date, Jerry claims the animal fell ill and died but claims that issues arose while under the Live Animal Guarantee that Ben offers on his sales by default. Jerry, failing to make record within the 7 day period therefore forfeits any rights to claim under the TOS from Ben. The fact that he did not take pictures or contact Ben or his manager during the 7 day period after the sale has nothing to do in all honesty with this sale. The only time that he can make any claims after the sale is within 7 days. No contact to make a claim...no rights to claim for loss from Ben.

That there is the end of the story....or is it?

There is still an outstanding $900 to be paid on the animal. Under the terms of the sale...the only thing missing for a complete transaction via the contract of sale they undertook between each other, is the completion of payment from Jerry. Otherwise, everything else is completed. Whether or not he resold the animal, it died, or it is still alive and living at his residence (or similar) or even if he killed it. The fact that all of this took place outside 7 days of the sale has no relevance to the contract.

The contract needs to be completed. Jerry owes Ben Siegel $900. End of story. It doesn't matter what the state of the animal is...the fact is that Jerry has no claim whatsoever for any kind of solution to a problem (as, once again, it does not fall under the agreement between the two of them)

I don't see why Jerry has an issue with this? I am pretty sure my views on the sitation at hand are correct as...I did pay attention in my Business law and other law classes in college...

 

[Basand]

I have never done business with either of these people, Jerry or Ben, and have actually never really heard of Ben Siegel until I saw the tragic accident that happened at his facility.

With that being said...and taking an unbiased approach to this (as I have no interest or relations with either party) this is what I make of it all.

Ben, being an established reptile vendor both from his store, the internet, and at expos, having a company under which he does business, has a Live Animal Guarantee that says they guarantee the animal's health for 7 days, and, according to recounts from others, he is very good about fixing a situation, should it arise, to make things whole.

Jerry, having bought this skink, an animal priced at appx $1,000, paid 10% of the settled price and took the animal home, which would then fall under the Live Animal Guarantee that Ben operates under with any transaction he makes by default, unless specified otherwise.

Three weeks after the purchase date, Jerry claims the animal fell ill and died but claims that issues arose while under the Live Animal Guarantee that Ben offers on his sales by default. Jerry, failing to make record within the 7 day period therefore forfeits any rights to claim under the TOS from Ben. The fact that he did not take pictures or contact Ben or his manager during the 7 day period after the sale has nothing to do in all honesty with this sale. The only time that he can make any claims after the sale is within 7 days. No contact to make a claim...no rights to claim for loss from Ben.

That there is the end of the story....or is it?

There is still an outstanding $900 to be paid on the animal. Under the terms of the sale...the only thing missing for a complete transaction via the contract of sale they undertook between each other, is the completion of payment from Jerry. Otherwise, everything else is completed. Whether or not he resold the animal, it died, or it is still alive and living at his residence (or similar) or even if he killed it. The fact that all of this took place outside 7 days of the sale has no relevance to the contract.

The contract needs to be completed. Jerry owes Ben Siegel $900. End of story. It doesn't matter what the state of the animal is...the fact is that Jerry has no claim whatsoever for any kind of solution to a problem (as, once again, it does not fall under the agreement between the two of them)

I don't see why Jerry has an issue with this? I am pretty sure my views on the sitation at hand are correct as...I did pay attention in my Business law and other law classes in college...

I was formulating my own response, though this is my view completely. I have never had any sort of relationship with either party involved. I completely agree with your view on the matter and was going to post something quite similar.

Another point I would like to make, though, is that the tragedy that happened at Ben's store is completely unrelated to this. The tragedy has nothing to do with Ben's business practices. From what I have seen, he is one of the most honest and upfront businessmen within the industry!

Face it, Jerry, from a completely objective point of view, you are in the wrong.

You actually remind me of my ex(as of two hours ago!) in that the two of you both believe you can live in a fantasy world in which what you want to be true comes true. "It is that way cause I said so" mentality while the rest of the world looks and you with a " " mentality.

~Brad

 

[KORBIN5895]

Now we know why Jerry is the Lord of flies. He is starting to smell funny.

Did Jerry really admit to recording all of the phone conversations on his 800 number or did I just read that post wrong?

I honestly think I have cracked this case. Ben mentioned another incident where Jerry bought an animal and claimed it died yet unfortunately for Jerry he had paid in full. So this time he puts a down payment on it. Then he pulls his little stunt so he can get it at BEN'S COST ( which is what he so graciously offered to pay). This little pile of fly bait was trying to get it at cost. Plain and simple.

 

[Lucille]

attorney's can not participate

This is misleading advice, attorneys certainly can participate in small claims.

low down--- its almost painful watching at this point. And you know what Jerry--aside from all your money based fear and greed---a nice guy died who had 2 surviving daughters and you are using that situation as fuel to divert attention away from your fraudulent behavior. Thats about as shady a move as I have ever seen, but the curtain is up! There is no coming back from this. YOU KNOW AT THIS POINT your reputation is done? Keep posting--every post you make digs yourself deeper--the BOI bandit is actually not the GREAT GUY who IS SO HONEST when it comes to his own back yard. Your a sad sad man Jerry Tresser. Petty-cheap and a have no concept of morals or truth. I have seen people like you before Jerry--I think everyone here has---

I agree, Ben. Jerry is throwing this situation into the mix at every opportunity as well as bullying and threatening legal action.
There are posts detailing reports of his actions in previous transactions with others where he suddenly announces critter deaths with zero evidence and refuses to pay. It is my opinion that his actions were premeditated, he saw you busy with other issues and decided to pull again what he has apparently pulled in the past, a false claim of death with no evidence.

 

[Rawbbeh]

Correct, Brad. The only reason Jerry mentions the tragedy at Ben's store and even goes as far to apparently say that minors were involved as a sort of ad hominem attack towards Ben has absolutely NO place here. I don't see why eating roaches after hours has any correlation as to why Ben should make amends for Jerry's breach of contract. In fact, it further supports the desperation on Jerry's behalf to try to justify why he shouldn't have to withhold his end of the sale.

In court, Trying to use this as leverage as a reason why you shouldn't have to pay for the sale in this case has no connection whatsoever to the point at hand and would be met with a giant "OBJECTION!"

Jerry, just pay up and accept the fact that you screwed up and take it as a hard lesson learned. Whether the animal was $10, $100, $1,000, or even $10,000 the same rules apply. And you botched them (if your side of the story is actually true that the animal got sick and died. Otherwise your attempts to, as it appears, to use the tragedy at Ben's store as a means to pry your way in and swindle and milk this for all you can get is pretty dang disgusting and I, like others, would be truly disgusted and would justify why this post was ever created.

If the story about the frogs is true as well... Well you amaze me. Apparently you didn't learn the first time. Or even with the sale of the fruit flies. Do you not understand what a contract is? Your personal attacks and rudeness towards others as a means to rationalize why you shouldn't uphold your end of a deal is VERY childish and morally (and legally) WRONG.

 

[rcarichter]

We keep talking about the 7 day guarantee here. Why do Ben's TOS come into play at all? Jerry didn't buy the animal. It was, and still is, Ben's animal (well, 90% of it). He paid for it, so either the animal or the money should be in his hands.

Noelle

 

[Skiploder]

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1523950#post1523950

Hey Jerry!

I'll take 4 pairs. You should have no problem accepting $100 from me as a down payment on them.

I'll Paypal you the rest in two weeks.

If I were you, I'd just get the hell away from the keyboard. Get in your Olds Cutlass with the fender feelers and the hemorrhoid donut pressed into the velour seat and peer myopically over the steering wheel until you arrive at Ben's store. The shuffle, shamble and creak on inside.

Reach them gnarled old fingers into your checkbook and write him a check for $975. $900 for the animal you tried to scam him out of and $75 as restitution for being a miserable, long winded old skid mark.

 

[Lucille]

In my situation if we litigate this , I can loose $ 900.

After all you have said and done here, and your extreme and outrageous conduct, it is my opinion that you could be on the hook for a lot more than $900.

 

[CJReptiles]

I must apologize because out of all the employees at Siegels shop, you and I had a very good relationship. I dont think for a second you would doubt that. We were always very courteous and friendly to each other. You are correct, you showed nothing but kindness whenever we met... So my intention here is not to hurt you or cause any difficulties.. Ben could have resolved the entire issue when I spoke to him. I was willing to pay. Not because I did somethng wrong, but I felt an obligation after being friendly with the entire family not to mention supplying you as well.

I dont know what Bens problem was that day. I specifically told Ben, that I would pay whatever HE paid for the skink so he would not loose any money and I would walk away with a clear mind.. His only concern was for the $ 900 and his 7 day guarantee... That left me no options.

I dont relish being an enemy of Ben or You ( and you know that) but I need to move on before Lucille reads into this with another one of her posts, If Ben wants to resolve this amiacably, the door is still open . It just a money ageement involved here... I hold no grudge to you or Ben.... I dont however call people liars, or try to use made up accusations in order to achieve anything.. My 800 # is and has always been active. I can be reached easily.

Ben has more problems right now, and it may even spread to you since you were the manager at that roach fiasco.... Just a heads up......


With regard to recordings. This is not a watergate , spy recording. We do it through our 800 # because we take orders. receive card information and sometimes need to make sure that everything is accurate... There is nor was any hidden agenda when I called... I had no idea whether you were there or not... It just so happens you were..... your a good guy Billy, JERRY

Not true, Jerry I was Bens table at the show when he pulled you aside and asked you if you were having money problems. He said for you to just pay him his cost and you refused! You went right into talking about Lawyers..

 

[CJReptiles]

Jerry, you are truly a piece of garbage! Trying to flip this around by using the death of a human being is low, but then again so are you..

 

[Get Sum]

After all you have said and done here, and your extreme and outrageous conduct, it is my opinion that you could be on the hook for a lot more than $900.

, Jerry, I have read this entire thread- All Details and facts were well stated before the end of the first page. Those that have half a heart and any morals are deeply saddened by the unfortunate tragic event that happened last week. You are a very sick individual to continue to bring it up in this thread, don't you think Ben and his entire staff have been mentally and emotionally crushed by what has occurred?

Jerry, you are scum of the worst kind. You have tarnished any reputation you still had by coming on here. I hope Ben dumps a boat load of cash on his attorney to fry your azz! You have publicly taunted him repeatedly in your post. Like Lucille said above, I think it might be time to cash in on what ever you have...your gonna need it!

BTW- I was vending directly next to Ben during the Repticon Show and witnessed your conversation. I did not hear but bits and pieces however, I did in fact hear your last remark as you exited his table when you threatened to sue Ben. I believe my son heard it too.

Good luck to ya!

 

[KNOBTAIL]

That is not true at all !

Yes Ben did ask me if I was having financial difficulties, and I indicated that the purpose of this conversation was to resolve this problem.

Lets set the story straight... In order for me to know how much Ben paid for the skink, I asked him, and made the following proposal . I will pay the $ 500 less the 100 deposit and that will be the end... This way Ben would loose nothing. Not a penny . Get his original money back, and move forward...

He was the one who was not interested...See his earlier posts. First he even denied that that conversation occurred. He called me a liar.. I certianly did not make up the fact that he actually purchased the skinks from Bushmaster.. How else would I know that unless he told me so....

There is no relevence to your post. Ben should have taken the offer, and that would have been the end of it....I would have lost 500. Ben would have gotten his money back . But not Ben, he wanted his profit, No not Ben, every thing I said was a lie, only his side of the story has merit.. After all, this is my modus operandi. The skink is hiding in my closet, I set people up for thsee methods , I am hindering an on going investigation, I have hurt Ben, his wife , his employee, As a matter of fact everything I have said is false and everything Ben has said is true... Just look at the posts !

He could have easily said OK, I would have written him a check right there. We would have shaken hands and that would have been nothing more than a misunderstanding.... Had he had reservations about giving me animals in the future without paying, I would understand that. ALSO,


You and your fellow supporters should know that Bens new post was for whatever reason, totally unnecessary. It was well over 2 months that this incident occurred. I felt after things began to sour at our meeting, maybe we should both take a breather , calm down and I would try again to resolve this at a later date.

Ben knew how to contact me, and I certainly could have very easily contacted him as well to try a 2nd time, but at the meeting we both left without either of us wanting to enlarge or flame the problem to the point it is now...

Now here we are over two months later, and 2 threads appear. All of a sudden, Ben said my phone was disconnected. And that he called me several times... My phone has always worked. I lied about that as well.
One which had to do with fruitflies from an order at least well over a year
ago. The total amount may have been $ 36.00 .

All of a sudden Bens posting, with my email response being publicized after I specifically said lets calm down and take a breather before I left him. He contacted me first with his email . No settlement!

Your memory as well as Bens and Billys are quite selective and regardless of what I may provide in the way of an explanation, it has become a bit overwheliming to adddress this any further...

Ben for whatever reason had no intention of negotiating to both our satisfaction.. All of this could have been avoided.... That is not the Ben Siegel I kniew.... I dont know what his problem was, but I do know he is in a hell of a bind.

Whether you like to hear it or not, there will be depositions, wittnesses, additional investigations about any prior roach parties, other people who may want to sue as well if it comes to that, waiver examination, insurance as well as perosnal liabiities for a Ben and his manager, wife if he is not incorporated. etc.

The point is Ben never thinks things out intellegiently and has this easy going aura of being to subborn to know when a good deal to resolve a problem is before his eyes.... Why ? The answer is very simple. Ben like to fish, and he is an absentee employer.

Many people know this. Ben is never around. So when something does come to his attention, its usually at the point of disaster... Thats why we have Billy. His only concern is to make sure the store is opened on time... He is a nice guy, but cannot remember what transpired an hour ago. So of coures I lied. What else did you expect him to say...

Contrary to what Ben may have told you, I could have taken anything I wanted without paying because I have ALWAYS paid. There were times a deposit was given and times when no deposit was given.. That was not the criteria for the sale. It was based on good faith and I never would attempt anythng dishonest with Ben. Most of the time my dealings were with Billy because...............Ben was never there.. He was fishing.


Unless you have more than some innuendos, know what you are talking about before you decide to put your two cents into this.. Just read the emails carefully and you will see a pattern of I am wrong on everything and he is right on everything.. Meanwhile he has more problems on his plate with his current difficulties. I am sure with me causing harm to the investigation, we can add that to the growing list of my doings ! Great work Ben