Joe Haggard - VERY BAD GUY TO DEAL WITH!

[joepythons]

ok let me explain

for everyone that thinks i am eric knock and joe haggard on the same computer.i have dial up internet service from the same company that eric knock has.i do not understand how we are showing up as the same computer.as far as eric signs off then i sign in we have other things in our lives to get done.we do not sit at the computer 24 hours a day like some of the people who keep asking the same questions over and over.i think before some people reply to a post they should read all the inputs and the answers to certain questions before they make a reply and ask a question that has been answered several times.i wish the moderators would delete this thread so i will not have to keep responding to answer any more silly replies.if it is not evident by now all matt was trying to do is make everyone think i am a scammer.there was nothing wrong with the ball python when i sold it to matt.he killed it just like he killed the female ball python he had before i even sold him the ball python.all i ask is to leave me alone i did nothing wrong.maybe when matt gets a little older our paths might cross again and who knows we might look back to this day and laugh and say it was all a misunderstanding.

 

[Bringerofdoom]

Re: i lost my cool

bige61614 has the same internet provider as i do,we are not the same.i live in creve coeur illinois he lives in canton illinois.i apoligize again

joe, i hate to break it to you, but that wont account for why he is using your ip adress. only YOUR computer has that adress. your "friend" a city away wouldnt have the same adress as you.

not that im saying i dont believe the rest of your story, but u need to come clean that either "eric" is posting from your pc or your doing it.

ken harbart ,what in the world are you talking about??????????????????only one person can be on a computer at a time!!!!!!!!!!!!hello get a life or mind your own business!!!!!!!!!

i find it odd that out of the accusations being thrown you blow up on this one. this honestly shows you dont know much about pc's, nor how ip adressing works...

like i said i was believing you till ken chimed in to let us know about the posting from 2 dif nicknames under 1 ip.

not trying to be mean to younger herpers, but i see alot of them go thro snakes and lizards like beta's and goldfish. also, if a 15 year old kid gets bad rep at a reptile show, it should say more than joe can ever say here.

 

[bige61614]

well id admite that i dont know much about computers but i dont care. i get on the net look at what i want an leave . thats all i need to know. to all of u that "think" they know whats going on with this ip crap. you dont know me or joe haggard so u can all believe we are one person or two. i really dont care, my life does not revolve around every tom dick and bringerofdoom. i had just got on the computer to defend a friend and my name but as i can tell this site is full of imature know it alls. so in saying this i will no long use this site and would like to be removed. and i will not let any friends know of ur "good site" anymore. screw it!

 

[1216dex]

Immature

I don't believe we are the ones being immature....
A. You're the one whining about wanting your thread deleted.
B. The only evidence you came up with was posting under your "friend's" name

to all of u that "think" they know whats going on with this ip crap

Ken looked up your IP, it matches your friends, this does not happen unless he is on your computer or using your internet account. The computer logs your IP when you log on to the site. Plus both of you have similar typing and grammer habits.
C. You threatened to take legal action by contacting your attorney
D. I'm not accusing you of being a scammer, you stated yourself you sold a WC ball to a kid that did not have experience keeping balls. I don't understand why it was such a bad thing for him to attempt to contact you for care advice.......
John D. Loy

 

[RTBoas]

I agree, Bad Guy

Joe, you been a bad boy

Selling a sick snake to a kid to make a buck

oh yeah, Joe was the snake w/c?

 

[bige61614]

you are all just dam retared. we are both on here now on seperate computers. im not whinning i just dont like being accused of being the same person as joe haggard. we have the same internet provider family video. i havent said anything about no dam lawyer i could care less. i myself have no reptiles i got out of it for awhile. i just came on this site to check this out and now im getting accused of being two different people on one computer. more or less ur ip tracking system is messed up and i ivite any body over to my place to call me a lier to my face. i have nothing to prove to this web site i did my time in the u.s. army i proved myself.

 

[joepythons]

i told you people to leave me

ok whoever wants to keep making it look like i am a bad guy.you dont know me or my friend.so as far as saying our grammer is the same,who is the kid now.alot of ads i have read on fauna have a few words spelled wrong but as a adult you understand.and another thing the snake was in good health when i sold it to matt,i keep repeating this for the people who have nothing better to do than bad mouth someone that they do not even know .so to you all if you do not know me than dont judge me.all this started from was a kid trying to blame me for his mistake.as far as it being wild caught or captive bred,it was farm hatched.i bought 12 ball pythons all at the same time as the one i sold to matt.out of the 12 matt is the only one that suposably had his die.he never showed me a body or any reciepts for a vet bill.so before you say i am a bad boy,read all the posts before you put your foot in your mouth.oh one more thing as far as me snapping at the moderator thats between us and no one else.i apoligized and took my warning like a adult and i moved on.as far as me asking that this post be deleted it is because i am getting fed up with people making comments about someone they do not even know.

 

[repfriend]

Matt...

Matt said:

How do you explain how skinny he was? And the fact that 2 weeks after he got to my home AND that he was UPSTAIRS, that he didn't eat?

Um, do you know "anything" about Ball Pythons????

Did you honestely expect it to eat within 2 weeks of

- moving to a new home/cage

- moving from a drafty location to a new location

- being treated for a URI that was likely caused by drafty location and obv. to low of temps

Ball Pythons won't eat that fast after a move under the "best" of circumstances, which you obviously did NOT provide to this baby!!!

What you should have done is have the right setup, incl. location, temps etc. ready BEFORE you got this baby, and then set him up and completely LEAVE HIM ALONE for a couple weeks before even attempting to feed!!

All this stress this BP went through its absolutely no wonder he didn't eat.

Since you didn't have the right setup/temps I'm willing to bet he your husbandry left a lot to be desired as well. They won't feel secure enough to eat, unless they have plenty of hiding, both on the cooler and warmer side...

Was he in a glas cage? He probably felt incr. insecure...they won't eat that way. Not to mention the stress he was put through nonstop.

If it was October, when you got the snake...most BP's, even babys, and esp. males, will slow down or even stop eating for a few month...again, did you know anything about BP's???

Lastly, what most likely killed the baby was the force-feeding. This is incredible stressfull to any snake, even more so to the easily stressed BP. It should not be attempted unless the snake hasn't been feeding for many month or is at death door.

Once you have fed that way a few times, and the BP showed "interest"...why didn't you leave it alone for a few weeks, then try to feed normally again? Instead you kept forcing.

Obviously you have neither the knowledge nor the patience required for BP's.

You are better of with BCI's that , as long as healthy, are fairly easy to keep and eat no matter what. I still urge you to do your homework better, as even BCI's have needs, and just because they are eating, doesn't necessarily mean they are kept in ideal situations.

And yes, I've raised farm hatched BP's.

I even brought one wild caught very, very sick rescue BP back from the dead. The main point was low to no stress (darkened, covered rubbermaid), minimum handling (just to give meds) and lots of patience. It took over a year. And it was worth it.

Stop buying so many animals and get educated and care for the ones you have properly.

I'm sure you wont' take my advice, or take offense at it, but it needs to be said....do with it what you may.

 

[Bringerofdoom]

joe and eric THE SAME IP MEANS THE SAME COMPUTER. I WAS on YOUR SIDE, keep on lying and calling us RETARDS will only get admin to post post ip's for ALL to see.

YOU OBVIOUSLY dont know about pc's or you would know its not a "ip tracking system". your pc leaves the same ip every time joe or eric post's

I BELIEVE your the same person YOU 2 write the same long un-broken paragraphs that should be 2-3 paragraphs long. odd that 2 people 2 cities away have the same ip THATS only assigned to one pc at a time and typing the same paragraph's. i find it hard to swallow

i really dont care, my life does not revolve around every tom dick and bringerofdoom. i had just got on the computer to defend a friend and my name but as i can tell this site is full of imature know it alls

I AM NOT a immature know it all. BUT i DO know how ip adressing works. like i said you DONT, everytime you post twice under 2 different names you lost more credibility here. attacks against me will only get me more tempted to disprove you more joe.

you think your truely hidden when you sign on a pc. you both admit you dont know how ips work. so it leads me to believe joe is eric. you can argue, cry, whine and moan all you want its still not going to change that you got caught lying here. when you post from the same ip you are posting from the same computer, or from another pc in your network (doubt that if you don't know how ip adressing works, you shurely couldnt set up a pc network).

Take it how you want to take it KEN busted you, i gave you ample opportunity to confess (i believed your story at first). if you want to play that game fine, go ahead. i'd like to state its a losing battle, ip adressing is so perfect its used in courts of law to prove cases.

 

[Bringerofdoom]

we are both on here now on seperate computers.

is that meaning you wernt on seperate computers before? scince you said now............

 

[SWAG]

Presumably it would mean they are both on at the same time, ie. "now."

I do agree they are rather fishy, but I don't exactly think the kid had any idea what he was doing. I'll avoid the whole lot of them, which should be easy, since one is a kid, one is out of herps, and the other is just a local hobbiest.

 

[Bringerofdoom]

see thats odd though, eric says that then joe replies exaclty 20 minutes later. how would he know or be able to prove joe was on at the same time?

seems to be a pattern is you ask me

10-22-2004 12:35 AM joe
10-22-2004 01:06 AM eric
10-22-2004 01:30 AM joe
10-22-2004 01:53 AM joe
10-22-2004 04:13 AM eric
10-22-2004 04:28 AM joe
10-22-2004 06:21 AM eric
10-22-2004 07:09 AM eric
10-22-2004 07:29 AM joe

never one post a minute apart from another. real odd how both stayed up all night long posting from the same ip and the same way of typing. i think im through commenting now

 

[SWAG]

Again, I agree that they are very fishy, and very likely the same person/posting from the same location.


However, we all have the option to see "users browsing this forum" / "members browsing this forum/thread" whatever it is...so that part of your question is easily answered.

 

[joepythons]

ask matt

to whom it concerns,this is to the people that think eric and joe are one person.in one of matts post in the beggining he ask me was it my tall friend that says he did not take care of his reptiles.now it seem to me that the person who started the thread should know if we were one person or two.eric and myself(my name is joe haggard) along with matt were members of the same herp club.now to you people who have been confused i will say this again,i find it very hard for people to be members of a club and pay their dues each,when some of you people who have gotten off the whole subject think we are one person.i think matt of all people would know if eric and i were the same person but some of you must not read these post before you pass judgment. and as far as our grammer i dont think that matters i am sure some of you who keep talking about our grammer have a few faults.so before some of the confused ones start running their mouths notice i say we were members along with matt,we paid our dues to the herp club.as far as us not totaly understanding how computers work i dont think that should matter at all.i am sure we are not the only ones.its people like the few that are passing judgement about eric and myself(joe) without even saying anything that is relivent to the subject of this thread that should mind their own business.i thank the people who did stay on the subject of this thread.thank you

 

[bige61614]

to all who have wrote to this tread. i'm one person im at my home on my laptop and i use the same internet provider as joe. as far as being up all last nite, i went to bed at2:30 am. so i dont understand why i was being posted at 4am. as far as my grammer i just type as i go. im not experienced enough to worry about proper punctuation, and seperate paragraphs. i type with 2 fingers. im a blue collar worker not office worker so in dumb to the fact of proper computing habits. i understand all of u saying we have the same ip. well i now the truth and im eric and thats it the only way anyone would know is if they were sitting next to me or joe as we write this. so i really dont know what to say, im really not worryed about what everyone else thinks. but i will say im sorry for saying things as to some on here are retards or dummies. i dont know everything and i admite it when im wroung but as for us being one person thats crap. im lossed on this ip stuff .

 

[astaley]

A word on IP

Hello all, I am new to this forum but had to post a comment here. I am a network engineer, and for the record, it IS entirely possible for two or more computers to show up at a DESTINATION appearing to have the same IP address. The way this works is called NAT (Network Address Translation). For example, two or more computers dial into the same ISP (Internet Service Provider) they are assigned individual IP addresses. However, once these computers leave the ISP to traverse the Internet, they pass the ISP’s router and are TRANSLATED to the external IP address of that particular ISP. Some ISP’s do this and others do not. Therefore, any destination server that receives traffic from that particular ISP will show the same IP address regardless of origin. This is done to save on public IP addresses. Hope this makes sense Sorry, just a computer geek here.

Adam Staley

 

[Bringerofdoom]

ok my bad about the exact times, just realized my control panels time wasnt set to the right setting so it threw everyones hours off by 6 hours. still the fact is that when i scroll down to read the post when you guys post after one another it looks the same.

not that im bashing anyone's grammar here, but not being able to seperate paragraph's is a small flaw. its funny that you 2 being good friends post from the same ip adress with the same unique flaw though.....

you sit here and basically state that your isp assigns everyone the same ip as you for 2 different cities....

http://www.webopedia.com/DidYouKnow/Internet/2002/IPaddressing.asp

Every computer that communicates over the Internet is assigned an IP address that uniquely identifies the device and distinguishes it from other computers on the Internet. An IP address consists of 32 bits, often shown as 4 octets of numbers from 0-255 represented in decimal form instead of binary form. For example, the IP address
168.212.226.204

in binary form is

10101000.11010100.11100010.11001100.

But it is easier for us to remember decimals than it is to remember binary numbers, so we use decimals to represent the IP addresses when describing them. However, the binary number is important because that will determine which class of network the IP address belongs to. An IP address consists of two parts, one identifying the network and one identifying the node, or host. The Class of the address determines which part belongs to the network address and which part belongs to the node address. All nodes on a given network share the same network prefix but must have a unique host number.

like i said its impossible for you to be in another city as joe, yet have the same ip.

if lets say, i used another computer here at my house (i own 4) to make a post on another name then i would have the same ip. i can have a several different people making post all the time from my house with all my pc's under different names, but they would all have the same ip adress.

see, its not too uncommon for people to register 2-3 screenames and come on to forums to try to back one another up. so we all know the tricks people will pull to make their story stronger. so maybe eric has a laptop like he said and maybe a real person, but you both seem to be alot closer than 2 cities away.

like i have said numerous times before, i believe the kid killed the ball out of lack of knowledge. i see 20+ year olds do it too. you make your story lose credit the moment you had eric sign on here. scince he registered right before he added his first piece, i only assume you told him to come on here. if "eric" didnt start talking im shure everyone would be on your side.

i do kinda believe you are 2 different people joe does one more lack of grammar thing that eric does.

 

[joepythons]

my last comments

hi my name is joe haggard,i recently talked to my internet provider where i pay for my service.the companies name is family video,there phone number is 18883326843.they say there is no way two separet people can be on the same computer at the same time.they also said you cannot have two separet sign in names on the same computer responding to forums at the same time.the only possible explanation they could come up with is since we both have family video and we both have yahoo as our home page and we are on the same forum but on separate computers it must be something about our area or yahoo.so for you that say you are a computer know it all why did you not know this.gee could it be you dont know everything as far as computers are concerned.as far as not dealing with any of us,its us that will not deal with you people.now for you idiots that are going to run your mouths again yes i said us meaning matt eric and joe.we know who we are and thats good enough for us.again as far as our grammer is concerned why dont you judge yourselves before you judge others.thank you

 

[Bringerofdoom]

Re: A word on IP

Hello all, I am new to this forum but had to post a comment here. I am a network engineer, and for the record, it IS entirely possible for two or more computers to show up at a DESTINATION appearing to have the same IP address. The way this works is called NAT (Network Address Translation). For example, two or more computers dial into the same ISP (Internet Service Provider) they are assigned individual IP addresses. However, once these computers leave the ISP to traverse the Internet, they pass the ISP’s router and are TRANSLATED to the external IP address of that particular ISP. Some ISP’s do this and others do not. Therefore, any destination server that receives traffic from that particular ISP will show the same IP address regardless of origin. This is done to save on public IP addresses. Hope this makes sense Sorry, just a computer geek here.

Adam Staley

so im basic terms they got a real cheap isp right?

i was going to say something similar, but figured if its 2 different cities it would be 2 different acess numbers.

 

[Bringerofdoom]

Re: my last comments

.they say there is no way two separet people can be on the same computer at the same time.they also said you cannot have two separet sign in names on the same computer responding to forums at the same time.the only possible explanation they could come up with is since we both have family video and we both have yahoo as our home page and we are on the same forum but on separate computers it must be something about our area or yahoo.so for you that say you are a computer know it all why did you not know this.gee could it be you dont know everything as far as computers are concerned.

UMMMMM...... NO its very possible i dont care what your crackpot isp tells you its not yahoo. (your techs probably had a good laugh after you got off the phone with them). lets not challenge my pc skills ok? its like you bringing a knife to a gunfight.