Got You Now
Wow, Mr. Lesh fell for it. This day is better than I thought it was going to be after waiting three days for further evidence. Now I have what I need to complete my information package I will send to the FBI and other investigative agencies that will register punitive action against Mr. Lesh, much less force him to refund my money. Investigative agencies are already tied up with bigger issues. If you can provide them the complaint and the response from the other party, then you already completed half their work, therefore, they give more attention to your problem at hand. Thanks Mr. Lesh. You just saved me and them a lot of time for a statement from you. Although I know they will ask for another to compare with this post you made. So get your pen ready and "line up" your customers.
Before I forget. The pictures that Mr. Lesh provided are not the photos I received. I received blurry photos of the same shots. They appear much clearer in his post, even though someone else was quick to point out that the snake looked sick in the second photo. I am suggesting that Mr. Leshe's photos only provide further evidence that he does indeed have the skills and capabilities necessary to blurr photos, and has the gall to try to fool people with them in his criminal tactics. And further, provided something else interesting for investigators to inquire about. Write some more Mr. Lesh and post up more pictures, please.
And lets examine the other photo of the coral snake feeding: The coral snake feeding photo was sent obviously as a con or trick to inflate it with a snake. As anyone can determine from the photo, the snake is flattened post were the feeder snake is down the length of the snake. Also, healthy coral snakes extend their bodies when feeding. The one in the photo is coiled and just sucking down the snake as it has no strength to extend it body. And that is exactly what I witnessed when I fed the snake. And I might add, when I fed the coral snake, I had to tap it in the head as it could not find its food when left in with it. The poor snake was malnourished and dehydrated to the extent that its vision was severely impaired, and it could not find its food without assistance or risked eating bark instead of holding on to its intended food item. Mr. Leshe's care expertise only blinded the poor coral snake.
And Mr. Leshe's post serves only as additional evidence that he is a liar, conman, and awful businessman. Mr. Leshe's false statements even contradict the email evidence that was presented earlier. And regardless of his false statements, Mr. Lesh just reiterated and verified again that he only offered a 25 dollar net refund for his dying snake, and as you recall, that was only if I was willing to break the law to use his unlawful shipping crate to send the snake back to him. The other information he wrote is not only false, he formatted it for the sole intentions to mislead the reader away from his dying snake. And his statements are actually quite irrelevant to the matter of a refund at hand as he is clearly guilty no matter what he says, and he has yet to provide any reasonable explanation for why he did not take the snake back and provide an immediate refund to his customer. And as you can see, and as I contended earlier, Mr. Lesh maintains to stand fast and ignore his obligation for a refund, and further attempts to fool the public that he did something right, when everything he did was wrong.
I've taken the liberty to past his false statements below and have commented about his lies and misleading statements in capitols and bold.
MR. JOE LESHE'S STATEMENT
"here is my side of the story I will keep it short because I really do not have time to sit in front of the computer for hours anymore Dan contacted me in referance too a central american coral snake I had available I told him it was still available and in apparent good health (LIAR, YOUR OWN PHOTOS DEPICT A FLATTENED AND SICK SNAKE) I only received the snake a week or so prior to posting the ad (LIAR, YOU SAID IT WAS A LONG-TERM CAPTIVE FROM YOUR FRIEND) he asked if I had any PICS of the animal (LIAR, IT WAS YOU WHO OFFERED PICS AS PART OF YOUR SCAM) and so I took some which I will post and he was not 100% happy with the quality of the PICS (LIAR, THE PICS WERE BLURRY AND MY EMAILS ASKED YOU FOR A CLEAR PHOTO AS THE SNAKE LOOKED FLATTENED, BUT YOU NEVER SENT ANY, INSTEAD SEND A DOCTORED PICTURE OF IT ENGORGED WITH FOOD WHILE EATING) but was still interested in the animal we exchanged E-mails and I thought of dan as a very nice person (TRUE, PERHAPS THE MOST HONEST PERSON YOU WILL EVER MISSED THE OPPORTUNITY TO KNOW) and someone I could become long time friends (NOT WITH A GUY LIKE YOU) with when the time came to ship the snake I did have to post pone shipping a couple of days because I was waiting on my delta account to become active (LIAR, YOU WERE WAITING FOR MY MONEY ORDER TO CLEAR, AND THAT WAS ANOTHER LIE IN ITSELF AS YOU SAID YOU WOULD HOLD IT UNTIL I SAW THE SNAKE, AND YOU DID NOT EVEN HAVE THE COURTESY TO NOTIFY ME OF THE EXTENDED SHIPPING DATE) but I fed the snake one more time two days before I was able to ship (YOUR SCAM AGAIN, I TOLD YOU I HAD FEEDER SNAKES ALSO YOU SCAMMER) I also E-mailed him a picture (included in post) of the snake eating without him asking (AGAIN, YOU JUST PROVED YOUR A CONARTIST AND THIEF, THE PHOTO IS DOCTORED) I thought (YOUR ONLY THOUGHTS WERE ROBBERY AND FRAUD) it would be something I would want to see before a animal got shipped to me (LIAR, YOU SENT A PICTURE OF THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT I REQUESTED, AND WHO IN THE BUSINESS FEEDS SNAKES TWO DAYS BEFORE SHIPPING?) so then I shipped him the snake (WITHOUT A DAYS NOTIFICATION AND IN AN UNLAWFUL CONTAINER YOU FORGET TO MENTION) when I woke up the next day he had called and left several messages on my voice mail for me to return his call (LIAR, DELTA AND MYSELF ATTEMPTED AT THE AIRPORT TO CALL AT 10 AM AND YOUR VOICEMAIL NEVER ONCE PICKED UP, AND YOU INTENTIONALLY REFUSED TO PICK UP THE PHONE) so I tryed to phone him with no answer (LIAR, YOU NEVER PHONED ME, WHO ARE YOU KIDDING, THAT WAS FUNNY THOUGH) shortly after the delta office at his airport contacted me telling me that he had LEFT the VENOMOUS animal at the delta terminal (LIAR, THEY ACCEPTED MY REJECTION OF THE SNAKE AND YOU ALREADY KNEW FROM MY EMAILS BEFORE YOU EVEN SPOKE TO DELTA) the woman informed me that she had spoken to dan and he told her just throw the animal away (LIAR, SHE INSPECTED THE SNAKE, SAW IT DYING, AND I SUGGESTED THAT IT WAS GOING TO DIE SOON AND SHOULD BE FROZEN) so she felt she should call me as the person who shipped the animal to ask what I wanted to do with it I told her I would have it shipped back to me at my cost but I did not have a dime to my name that day (LIAR, YOU HAD MY 150 DOLLARS OR COULD HAVE GOTTEN IT BACK FREE FROM THE WHOLESALER) she said she had already spoke to strictly reptiles (LIAR YOUR TWISTING THE TRUTH AGAIN AND MISLEADING) and they would come pick it up if I did not have a way pick it up (LIAR, THEY SPOKE TO THE WHOLESALER ON TUESDAY, THREE DAYS LATER WHEN THEY PICKED IT UP AS YOUR OWN EMAIL STATES) than after two or more days of heavy conflict with dan in him telling me I had shipped him a sick snake which to my knowlege the snake was fine (LIAR, YOUR KIDDING NO ONE THAT YOU KNEW IT WAS SICK AND YOU SENT IT TO FRAUD AND ROB) I mean I had just watched it eat 3 days earlier so he sends me a picture of the snake (LIAR, YOU FED THE SNAKE ONLY TO FRAUD YOUR PHOTOS AND IF YOUR PRETENDING TO NOT KNOW THE SNAKE WAS DYING, THEN YOUR ONLY PROVING AGAIN TO BE A FRAUD) and yes I admit it looked dehydrated some but definatly not how he describes it (LIAR, THE NON-BASIS OPINION SAID IT WAS DEHYDRATED, MALNOURISHED, AND WITH PARASITES) at that point I told dan if he shipped the snake back to me using my delta account I would refund him the sum of $100.00 for the initial cost of the animal (LIAR, YOUR EMAILS VERIFY THAT YOU INITIALLY CONNED FOR ME TO WASTE TIME AND GO BACK AND PICK UP THE SICK SNAKE, AND YOUR EMAILS GIVE ME A 25 DOLLAR NET REFUND NOT 100 DOLLARS, AND THAT WAS IF I BROKE THE LAW AND USED YOUR UNLAWFUL CRATE TO SHIP THE SNAKE) I mean I had already cut him a price break (LIAR AGAIN, YOU DID NOT CUT ANY BREAK AS I WAS TO GIVE YOU RAT SNAKES TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT YOU ASKED. DO YOU WANT TO FURTHER WASTE MY TIME AND SHOW THAT EMAIL MR. LESH) at the $150.00 shipped he refused the refund (LIAR, I REFUSED A 25 DOLLAR REFUND) and said he heard from delta I had someone come pick up the snake (NO, YOU EMAILED ME THAT THEY GAVE IT TO A WHOLESALER AND YOU COULD HAVE EASILY TAKEN IT BACK AT NO SHIPPING COSTS TO YOU IF YOU MADE A ORDER LIKE YOU DID TWO OR THREE WEEKS AGO WHEN AT IT WAS THE SAME TIME OR SHORTLY AFTERWARD YOU WERE NOTIFIED THAT IT DIED, SO YOU COULD NOT BE SENT BACK THE SNAKE YOU THIEF) and now I had to refund him (YOU WILL) and I said no (YES, YOU REFUSED A REFUND DEPICTING YOUR EXCELLENT CUSTOMER SERVICE ABILITIES) he left the snake at the airport (LIAR AGAIN, DELTA ACCEPTED MY REJECTION OF THE SNAKE) and strictly's (THE ENTIRE STAFF AT THE WHOLESALER VOICED THAT THE SNAKE WAS SICK AND DYING ALSO) had the snake presently suddenly he stopped e-mailing me (SEVERAL INVESTIGATIVE AUTHORITIES ASKED ME TO NOT CONTACT YOU AND I SUGGEST YOU OPEN YOUR EYES WIDER) over a month later he gets in contact with me that the snake died and he demands his money back I told him at this point there is nothing I can do (YOUR INCONSIDERATE EMAIL FOOLED NO ONE) and he tells me that he will find me at the sc show and take the money back (LIAR, MY EMAIL SAID I WILL SEE YOU THERE) and he will call the FBI (TRUE, THEY WILL BE IN CONTACT SOON AND YOUR STATEMENT FINALIZED THE PACKAGE) now weeks have gone by again and this he posts a bad guy thread about me here I have customers and friends who I am sure when they see this post will come on and defend me (TEN THOUSAND GOOD DEALS DO NOT MAKE UP FOR THE ROBBERY, FRAUD AND ANIMAL CRUELTY YOUR GUILTY OF SO THEY CAN POST UNTIL THEIR ARMS FALL OFF) I would have been totally willing to work with him (LIAR, YOUR OWN EMAILS PROVE YOUR A FRAUD AND HAVE ZERO CUSTOMER SERVICE) if he had not handled things the way he did!!! (LOOK THIEF, ITS THE WAY YOU HANDLED THINGS BY SENDING A DEAD SNAKE IN YOUR FRAUD IS WHY YOU FACING MANY AUTHORITIES THAT WILL PROSECUTE YOU) "
As proven in my earlier posts with emails, he has provided additional false statements. Mr. Lesh only compounded the lies, fraud, misrepresentation, and robbery he is guilty of. Attached is a photo take of the snake at the airport which clearly depicts the sickened and dying snake. If you look closely, there is a ridge of skin on its backbone from the neck to tail. If you would like me to send you the picture of the snake via email to zoom in on the photo, please let me know. The poor snake would not react to prodding. I turned the snake over and it took seconds to right itself. When I lightly pressed its side, it made an indentation that did not fill quickly as expected. It was flattened and deflated as Mr. Leshe's excuses and as depicted in his photos. Delta confirmed the snake was dying. Delta accepted my rejection of the snake. Plain and simple.
Now lets just say for giggles that our email evidence is not relevant or factual to this matter. Mr. Lesh still verified in his previous post that he asked his customer to break the law and utilize an unlawful crate to ship him back his snake to only receive a 25 dollar net refund. What kind of customer service is that? It is unheard of in this industry. And again, just for giggles lets examine that he admits in his post that he is aware the snake was delivered to his supplier (the wholesaler). Why didn't Mr. Lesh just simply ask the wholesaler to hold his snake until his next order if he was so healthy according to him? He is a liar, I personally know the entire staff and they voiced the snake was sick and dying. They ushered me to get it out of there.
Lets examine something further, Mr. Lesh states above:
"I also E-mailed him a picture (included in post) of the snake eating without him asking I thought it would be something I would want to see before a animal got shipped to me"
Lets see how many of Mr. Leshe's customers that willing to support him are willing to lie and testify that he provided them a picture of their snake feeding two days before he shipped it to them? And what about the "line up" of customers that are willing to testify they saw it feed Mr. Lesh? I want to see who will line up for you despite you mailed a dying snake in an illegal crate, robbed my money, and left the snake for dead at the airport? It's time Mr. Lesh. Please bring out the big guns.
Mr. Lesh is not only guilty of intentional misrepresentation, he is a thief, fraud, liar, and much worse, he is cruel to animals.
And why are you thanking Sean? He was your customer who expressed that he liked you but was shocked to read the facts in this matter. I am sure he would like to help a developing young reptile hobbiest/salesman like yourself. Why the hell do you think I sent you all those emails? I couldn't care less about the refund, I was only trying to help you. Are you ignorant to that, or are you in such a defensive posture you cannot determine that for yourself? Man, I explained it a hundred times that you need to do something right and you could earn thousands of dollars simply by me giving your name as a good reference, but you ignored that. Oh well, you continue to not face up to the truth, so you have forced me to sink you.
Nothing any customer can say will prove otherwise that Mr. Lesh intentionally misrepresented the snake and in the process committed fraud, robbery, conning, animal cruelty, and now, providing additional false statements for the FBI and other agencies to have to remove your abilities to utilized the Internet for fraud. Still, where is Mr. Leshe's explanation as to why he did not refund his customers money when his customer expressed dissatisfaction with the animal he sent?
Mr. Lesh: Reputable individuals (not so called "customers to defend" like you have) are standing by their computer with itchy fingers eager to make a statement on the snakes condition and my hard efforts to make it survive. Do you want me to ask them to waste their time and make a post about its condition as they saw the snake three days after it was shipped and told me to freeze the snake instead of wasting time to save it. Do you think that the photo of the snake with the backbone sticking up is not going to convince anyone your nothing but a fraud? Do you what my references words about you on this thread? I do not want to be responsible for any defamatory remarks they may make. Mr. Lesh, if you relieve me of that responsibility on this forum, I will then reluctantly ask them to post and further prove your a liar.
