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Joe Pierce (BAD GUY)

Johan was nice enough to send me a list of what was included in his shipment. Only 2 corns out of twenty have a possibility of coming from me. The rest were not genotypes I bred.
 
I've done business with Rich Hume 3 times over the past 3 years. Every transaction was flawless... great communication, professional packaging, very healthy animals, and they were exactly as described. I've talked to Rich on the phone and met him in person once last year. Rich Hume is honest and trustworthy and I'm glad we've become friends. I believe everything Rich has stated here to be true and will continue purchasing animals from him in the future.
 
Just my 2 cents

Although I personally have never done business with Rich Hume, I have coveted his snakes for years. And the man has a rock solid reputation. Last year he did a breeding loan with a friend of mine, and I was lucky enough to add 2 hatchlings from that pairing to my collection. I have never heard an ill word spoken regarding Mr Hume, and that's good enough for me.

Funny how Joe hasn't responded to this thread once, isn't it?
 
I've done business with Rich a number of times over the past few years. All the animals I have from him are gorgeous, and he works hard to provide great customer service. He's definitely a great guy and friend!
 
I, too, have had the pleasure of doing business with Rich, and it was a flawless transaction.

I have been wanting to get into lavas for sometime now and was looking at picking up a pair this year; now I know who I wont be buying my lavas from...
 
Rich Hume

I have know Rich Hume for 17 years and he has never spoke bad about anyone. We co own several snakes together and many projects are in the works. Rich has always done right with anyone that has purchased a snake from him. I have used Rich as a model of honesty and integrity in my hobby, in my life and in my business. Thanks for being my friend.

Joe step up the the plate and do the right thing. Part of the those snakes were part mine too!


Gideon Hodulick
Gidch Construction Inc
www.gidch.com
 
I don't have a dog in this fight...........but I would like to say something. I know both parties involved either from "word of mouth" or seeing their characteristics on certain forums. What I can't understand is: why has this thread taken a turn from the original meaning?

The BOI is getting (and has been gotten) way too ridiculous in what is/isn't allowed for the topic at hand. I mean, either make this a "Joe Pierce = Bad Guy" discussion or take the posts to a: "Rich Hume = Good Guy" discussion.

Why does everybody who has nothing to do with Joe, feel like "praising" Rich in this thread? I have no problem with either party.........but this is another example of why the BOI is a laughing stock. Stick to the topic. If you like Rich......then post it in a "Rich Hume = Good Guy" thread. Who gives a crap about Rich being good when we are talking about Joe being bad..........we want to know how/if Joe is being bad and the reasons involved. Rich's praises can be posted in his own thread.

Do I make sense..........or do I just think differently?

g
 
gwb8568 said:
I don't have a dog in this fight...........but I would like to say something. I know both parties involved either from "word of mouth" or seeing their characteristics on certain forums. What I can't understand is: why has this thread taken a turn from the original meaning?

The BOI is getting (and has been gotten) way too ridiculous in what is/isn't allowed for the topic at hand. I mean, either make this a "Joe Pierce = Bad Guy" discussion or take the posts to a: "Rich Hume = Good Guy" discussion.

Why does everybody who has nothing to do with Joe, feel like "praising" Rich in this thread? I have no problem with either party.........but this is another example of why the BOI is a laughing stock. Stick to the topic. If you like Rich......then post it in a "Rich Hume = Good Guy" thread. Who gives a crap about Rich being good when we are talking about Joe being bad..........we want to know how/if Joe is being bad and the reasons involved. Rich's praises can be posted in his own thread.

Do I make sense..........or do I just think differently?

g
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While I understand your point.....the fact that so many folks are willing to stand up and voice their opinion of Rich lends credibility to his statements, "character witnesses" if you will.

If this thread had been started by someone who was a known scammer or "bad guy", or if it was made by someone who no one had ever heard of, people would certainly view it differently....especially regarding someone as well known as Joe Pierce.
 
I understand......I was just viewing the meaning of a Bad Guy thread(s) from a different perspective. My apologies for even posting. Moderator, please feel free to remove my comments if needed.

galen
 
Rich,

I have given this a few days thought before posting. I was hoping this issue would be resolved quickly and smoothly and Joe would be back in communication with you by now. Obviously no resolution has been forthcoming, so as I explained in response to your original email, I shall go public with my experience with Joe Pierce.

I had had my own little disappointment with Joe a few years back. I did quite a few U.S. shipments at that time (2005) trying to get quality future breeding stock into Canada...your bloodred stripes, Chuck's sunkissed lines, Ultra lines from Carlos before he left the hobby. All these shipments were a breeze to handle; Joe's was too as far as the shipping end was concerned, but the quality of the hatchlings I received from him was very disappointing to say the least. Unlike you and the others who sent healthy, prospering, eating hatchlings to me, out of Joe's group which consisted of 5 hatchlings, only 1 ate on it's own, 3 I had to force feed to get them eating, and 1 never ate a thing no matter what I tried and died about 6 weeks after receiving them. Joe’s slogan, ‘it’s not worth a dime if it doesn’t eat’ keep haunting me for weeks. Why, out of 4 shipments of hatchlings, were his hatchlings the only problem feeders and requiring so much more work.

At the time I was upset, but what does one do? Joe Pierce is a corn guru to some so I was a little intimidated to express my disappointment with him. I have found Joe very slow at communicating with anyone unless it involves a sale where he stands to gain something. My original deal with him was cut, dried and delivered in 3 days; he was very quick replying then, yet I had to write to him 3 times and finally gave up waiting for a response when I wrote to him about whether he had ever witnessed stargazing in his Sunkissed lines, as I had purchased a 1.1 from him in the shipment.

I seriously hope this matter between you and Joe is resolved. I admire the contributions you both have made to the advancement of corn genetics within our hobby. I find it very disheartening when I see a community wounded by disbelief that one we have held in such high esteem, isn’t the most professional when it comes to business ethics. It seems there have been little instances now and again which have arisen as we can see by the posters who have contributed. These now don’t appear to be isolated instances that can be excused away but more a trend as each breeding season goes by. I think we need to ask ourselves within the community to be more observant, more discerning, less forgiving, and less blinded to those in the hobby who we stamp as the ‘leaders’. Separating the ‘great advancements’ from the ‘business practices’ is a necessity we now need to give a lot more thought to in the future.

Thank you for making this post Rich.

Ruth Hanney
 
I would like to say I'm 'surprised' that after 2 weeks there hasn't been a response from Joe....but I can't say that I am. You know that saying, "where there's smoke there's fire...", well, there's plenty of smoke around Joe.

I really don't understand what the issue here is. What is so difficult about responding to emails, phone calls, sending payments, etc? From my dealings with Rich he's been a completely stand up guy. We've had several email convos and we've talked at the White Plains expo before, and quite frankly it sucks to see someone like him taken advantage of like this.

Sorry to had to deal with this, Rich. Hopefully people will begin to see the light that's been glimmering about Joe Piece for a few years now. He certainly will not get a dime of my business ever.
 
I have followed this thread and am surprised by what I am hearing here. I have worked with joe for a few years now, in fact, I was the one who helped him in shipping snakes into europe. I also have worked with Rich, and my relationship with him is good. I met both of them at the hamm show last year, and they seemed fine with each other. so I am surprised to see this sad turn of events. I wish joe would answer this and let us know what´s going on.
 
Rich has Joe has gotten in touch with you yet? Somehow I'm not surprised that he hasn't responded here. I think that his market is now overseas. :shrug01:
Tom Thompson
 
I am just a collector, who likes to spend several thousands of her leisure money every year on reptiles. I have done business with both Rich and Joe, to my complete satisfaction. My communications with Rich Hume over the purchase of snakes and general conversations about the hobby engendered a feeling of complete trust on my part; I have seen him go out of his way to help people. My relationship with Joe Pierce has been more businesslike, although warm enough; I had not had a single complaint or misgiving towards him over two important purchases; only a problem from time to time with his not answering emails, which made me drop a third minor purchase last year.

If this had not come from a man like Rich Hume, I'd be inclined to attribute the whole thing to some misunderstanding and character clash.

It seems (from various sources) that Joe Pierce has recurrent problems with keeping contact while doing business, because life gets complicated at times.

But this situation with Rich is not excusable by any accident of life. Over five months of silence to a business partner with ongoing business, and further silence after a public complaint, is simply unacceptable, short of an earthquake obliterating Northern California and your farm with it. There's the phone, there's email. There's relatives and friends to do it for you if you cannot physically call or type.

Joe, your continued silence is a slap in the face not just to Rich, but to all those who have done business with you and thought highly of you. You have been breeding wonderful snakes and seemed really passionate about the hobby. You are considered a reputable breeder and a major one. But your behavior displays something that can be even worse than dishonesty: a complete lack of respect for the other people in this hobby.

And this, from a player of the caliber of Joe Pierce, makes it very bad for all of us. For without a modicum of trust, business gets sour very fast and the fun goes away. But it is hard to be willing to offer trust, witnessing things like this.

I know that unless Joe Pierce comes up with some exceptionally good explanation and restitution for this whole mess, I for one will never do business with him again, despite his wonderful snakes.

Sincerely,

Lucia Jackson Paratico
 
tsthompson said:
Rich has Joe has gotten in touch with you yet? Somehow I'm not surprised that he hasn't responded here. I think that his market is now overseas. :shrug01:
Tom Thompson
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I dfeal with eroupe too And the message is spreading over there too. I have heard some complants about joe. The eroupens are more forgiving than us americans . I know of a few that had it with joe . They had problems and wont be buying from him again. they are telling others about their bad exspearinces and this thread
 
Vinman said:
I dfeal with eroupe too And the message is spreading over there too. I have heard some complants about joe. The eroupens are more forgiving than us americans . I know of a few that had it with joe . They had problems and wont be buying from him again. they are telling others about their bad exspearinces and this thread
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I think you're right :yesnod:
I know a few people over here,(Europe) that talk about, and the will not post it on this thread!
I'm one of them that never buy again by Joe(or he must solved the probems)!

The reason that some of them will not post is that Joe export to Europe, and they are afraid that they don't find other corn breeders that can or will export.

But it don't have to be that way.


Johan
 
Tell them to get intouch with me . I deal with cornmorphs in the UK. You can ask Nigel about me. He had a problem with 3 of my animals on the second shipment one miss sexed and 2 other died. I told him to take the missexed animal and replace that for one of the animals that died and I replace the blood this year and also give him a replacement for the miss-sexed multi het. Even though they sat at the wholesaler for over a week here in the states I'm still replacing the 2 that died . I allways say you can judge a person not when thing are going good but when things go wrong see how they will compensate you
 
Ok, i think it's time for me to go post here now.

First off all, Joe and i had a very good time when he visited us here in Holland last year and stayed with us for a couple of days.
He is a very nice guy in person and seemed very passionate in our hobby.
I've never had any problems with his animals beside the fact that they have been very small from the start. But again, this has never been a problem since every sinlge one still lives and thrives well..

I also have also met Rich at the Hamm show in Germany last year. In my opinion Rich is a very kind and total good guy. His animals are of good quality and he has been honest in mentioning that some of them began eating shortly before they were shipped to the show in september. No problems here.

The big diffence is that Rich almost immediately answers his emails.
I am very, very dissapointed because, after the fun days we had last year, i'd expect joe to at least reply to my emails etc.
I haven't heard from him for over two months now and i'm getting fed up with it. He just seems to ignore me, a "friend", like as if i am only good enough to buy his animals and to make deals with.

Another bubble splattered i guess..

This was my story, about all of the other issue i've heard so far, at first i was really surprised, at the moment i'm not.
It just isn't fair to let it get this far. I'm afraid it is very difficult for him to make it up right now too..

Arjan Coenen

Corns.nl
 
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