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Joe Vinsky...looks like another BAD GUY

Time for a few to eat crow, lol

To all those who doubted my one breeding being enough to call Joe a bad guy you may want to read this first and see if you still feel the same way.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23893

Thank you Darin, very well put. I know I'm not getting my money back but I wanted to save people from buying from him at the upcoming shows here in NY and PA.

In my original post I said Joe had Super Hypos on his table that came direct from the breeder, same story I got 4 years ago. Well, today I called the breeder and this is the first year he ever bred Super to Super to produce definite Super Hypos. Joe is selling yearling poss Super Hypos as definite Supers for a lot of money, $1800 each, so either this guy doesn't have a clue about genetics or he just doesn't care and will make up any story to sell a snake. I think this goes a long way towards showing his true character.

If anyone still feels the same way after reading that other thread, I have a definite DH for Snow female for sale, only bred once, lol. I'll give her to you for $1000, that's half of what she's worth as an adult DH. just kidding.........................Brock

Steve Brockschmidt
Brocks Boids
 
Here's more proof I got ripped

To all those who doubted my one breeding being enough to call Joe a bad guy you may want to read this first and see if you still feel the same way, this is the same guy Joe got his animals from.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23893

Thank you Darin, very well put. I know I'm not getting my money back but I wanted to save people from buying from him at the upcoming shows here in NY and PA. With his attitude a piece of paper would not help at this point.

In my original post I also said Joe had Super Hypos on his table in Hamburg, PA that came direct from the breeder, same story I got 4 years ago. Well, today I called the breeder and this is the first year he ever bred a Super to Super to produce definite Super Hypos for sale. The guys in the shop also went thru the records and there is no record of selling anything to him, two more outright lies. Joe is selling yearling poss Super Hypos as definite Supers for a lot of money, $1800 each, so either this guy doesn't have a clue about genetics or he just doesn't care and will make up any story to sell a snake. I think this goes a long way towards showing his true character.

If anyone still feels the same way after reading that other thread, I have a definite DH for Snow female for sale, only bred once, lol. Just kidding.........................Brock

Steve Brockschmidt
Brocks Boids
 
I don't know what happened there, the first one disapeared when I posted it, so I rewrote it, sorry about the double post
 
Although crow sounds mighty good right now, I think I will have to pass. That thread does not prove that the snake you have is not dh snow. The ones in the other thread were supposed to be DH snow, and only proved out het albino. If it was his anery that was the problem, and you bought animals from the same breedings, yours wouldnt be het anery, but would still be het albino, so yeah, I think you need to do more breedings with that female to be sure she isn't het. If she isn't het for anery, that does suck, but based on your posts here, you weren't trying to prove out the anery part anyway, and that is the part in question in the other therad.Breeding a DH sunglow, and next year to an albino will never get you snows, but you can't say for sure YET that you aren't going to get albinos from your one breeding.
I believe that if in fact she turns out not to be het, that something should be done, but I still think it is wrong to say she isn't het after one breeding.
Darrin, I see where you are coming from too, but we don't have Joe's side, so the only "proof" being shown about their conversation is hearsay. For all we know he could have said "Sure, send her back, and I will send you your money"..
I am not saying Brock is lying, nor do I think he is, but hearsay doesn't fly very far here.

Brock, what would you like for your time? Would the $450 make it right? Or do you want Joe to give you 30k for what could have been?
 
Didn't he just say that he wanted his $450 back.....

Dave,

Did you not read the previous posts? Brock has from the get go just stated that he only wanted his $450 back. I know both parties well and think that Joe is making a very big mistake by not doing what he has already agreed to do....I also remember when Brock got the snake from Joe and I told him then that it was probably not a true Double Het. for Snow as I previously dealt with Kenny Gall and knew his character and reputation.

The long and short of it is this:

Brock should get his $450 back
Kenny Gall is a Scumbag
Joe Vinsky is not helping his situation and should do the right thing
There should have been Albinos in the litter (at least one)

Finally, my hat is off to Brock for handling this in such a manner that it benefits people from being ripped off in the future!

Russ Lockenwitz
 
I told him I didn't get her from Kenny I got her guaranteed from him and that after I lost $30,000 on the litter at least he could give me back the $450 I paid for her or give me something off his table for my wasted time and money.
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I agree that if the snake is not DH snow that he should get his money back, but how is he going to prove that it is not DH snow without breedding it to something with both anery amd amel genetics? One breeding does not prove that it is not het for albino, and a breeding involving no anery blood sure doesn't prove that it is not dh snow.Maybe it isn't, but I think it needs a little more proof than one het to het albino and getting no albinos. There are posts on that other popular reptile site now in the boa forum on page one where 1005 het albinos produced no albinos. It is not that rare, in spite of the seemingly overwhelming odds against it.
 
My last post on this

Thanks for throwing your hat in the ring Russ, I appericiate it, I'm glad some of you guys get it. If you guys want to buy from Joe, be my guest, just don't say I didn't warn you.

Davey,
It appears you like to post but don't like to read first. Russ pointed out one thing you missed, here's a few more. The last post of Craigs on the other thread states the following:


I just had both females from the todd callan group drop babies today. Good news no slugs or stillborns. Bad news, no snows out of either litter also no anerys. One snake apparently is not even het for albino or I have REALLY bad luck, out of 18 babies no albinos, the other on dropped 17 and 8 were albino. Sorry to break anyones heart that bought from these guys. These were bred to a unrelated real dh snow male. Craig

One snake is not even het for Albino!! OR DO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THESE HETS JUST HAVE BAD REALLY BAD LUCK? I was never trying to prove out the Anery in her, I would have been thrilled if she was just a het for Albino. Then you bring up the post on kingsnake and twist it to make yourself sound better but I guess you only read the subject line not the rest which states:

Well Steve and I came home from our first show where we were on the other side of the tables and found that our last female of the season had dropped 10 lives and 7 slugs which was more than we had expected from her considered that her face swelled up for most of the pregnancy and she was on some great drugs from the vet for a large portion of the time. Considering all the stress im very impressed that she even carried to term. Exactly 105 days. This is a picture of the mother while she was pregnant with the litter..ends up she was just pregnant and after all the blood and fluid work ups she was just showing signs of her hormonal changes.

Only 10 live babies from a female pumped with drugs for no reason, a litter that small it is possible to not get Albinos, that I agree, but not a good enough litter to use to back your argument.

Hey Davey, how come you also keep failing to mention the guaranteed Supers that Joe is selling on his table which shows his true character? He told me to my face that they were Definite Supers not poss and he got them directly from Rich, something he new I could check and still lied to my face again. Well I talked to the guys in Rich Ihle's facility myself yesterday, they never sold any definite Super Hypos last year, didn't even produce any till this year and have no record of selling any Hypos to Joe and they keep records of every sale. If you think Joe is on the up and up, go buy those, you WILL be disappointed later, that I WILL GUARANTEE YOU 100%.

As for breeding this female again next year, I know what I know and I'm not wasting any more time on her. She's a pig and eats more in a year then she can ever produce in babies. She also takes up valuable cage space I can use for a real breeding project, she will be fattened up again and sold as what I know she is, a nice light normal Boa.

I've said my piece and got raked over the coals for it, go figure. I tried to stop others from losing money buying from this guy because I thought that's what this boards about, it's up to you guys what you do with the info now. Unless Joe Vinsky posts here himself, I'm done with this thread and wont be posting anymore as nothing new is being added. Thanks to all who saw this thread for what it was, to warn others.........................Brock

Steve Brockschmidt
Brocks Boids
 
Steve, You seem to have made a great case against Joe. Thank you for pointing out some of the bad things about him. It is much better than just relying on the one breeding, which was my only arguement. I , (not that my opinion matter)think that it is safe to call him a bad guy now. Thanks for the warning, and additional info.
 
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