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John Moore (MooreSnakes) BAD GUY

Sounds like a Grade-A P.O.S. in the most extreme possible definition of the acronym.

I wish I would have been there for this one, I would have loved to mediate this discussion.

And Mr. Moore..... Feel free to spare James any additional threats and forward them directly my way. I'll take pleasure in dealing with you myself..........

Pathetic........
 
Griz, thanks for the offer, but it will not be necessary. I am covered on that end. Chris, I appreciate your thoughts as well. Thank you both.
 
Not a problem and know that I am 100% serious. It just irks me to no end when somebody who has more back hair then they do brain cells tries to throw threats out in an effort to extort your opinions.

Griz
 
What a bunch of bull this guy is. If I were to get a call from this guy demanding I raise my prices or else, I would gladly invite him over. I would love to see his face when he sees I have a couple of police officers over waiting for him. This guy needs some serious electic shock treatment, either that or a lobotomy.
 
Chris@TSE said:
And Mr. Moore..... Feel free to spare James any additional threats and forward them directly my way. I'll take pleasure in dealing with you myself..........

Me too! I used to be into the sex, violence and rock and roll thing. Lets play! :uzi:
 
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I guess he changed his mind.


I guess he changed his mind.

John, you should come forth with your side, If you have one.
The least you could do is apologize to James.
 
Hello James

First of all, I want to make it crystal clear right up front. I would not threaten to kill anyone over a snake. James Wilson is stretching the truth about this incident way beyond the facts. I had two boas from Shane Kinney. I had a reciept stating that they were 66% het for albino and that they had (albino,sunglow siblings). I in no way was trying to mislead anyone, nor would i ever. I have been selling snakes for a long with very few complaints. James Wilson came to our table, one that I paid good money to operate, and was making a scene in front of my customers. I told him to step away from the table more than once and he kept persisting. My buddy was shaking his head in the background, because he new that James was pressing his luck. I got angry with the guy. I asked him to leave my table and he wouldn't. I took him to the side and told him I would kick his %$# if he did not move from my space immediatley. I am sorry for this because i know violance is not the answer. I am only human and i was very embarrased that this situation happened out in the open like it did. The proper way to handle things would have been for james to take me to the side, and handle things in private rather than in front of paying customers. To respond to his remarks about us being head shaved, tattooed, gun carrying criminals, the last i checked this is America, and we have the right to cut our hair and tattoo anything we want. In the great state of Arizona we have the right to bare arms, and we choose to do so. I think being away from home carrying thousands of dollars around with you is a legitimate reason to carry a firearm. It is not intended to threaten people in anyway. If it could legally be concealed we would do so. My friend does not have a concealed weapons permit, so on his hip it went. He did not threaten anyone with it, as a matter of fact he did not get into our conversation at all, for james to bring him into it is just silly. As far as i am concerned its water under the bridge. I sold every snake on the table but one, so obviously the customers did not think we were thugs. I appologies for this thread being brought to this BOI. I know there should be more important things to discuss than the ramblings of James Wilson.
James Wilson you are forgiven but not forgotten.

Thanks for your time. JOHN MOORE (MOORESNAKES)
 
Sniff...Sniff.....I smell that smell again.

Something is awfully fishy here.

On the one had we have James. Well known for being honest and more than even tempered for his entire membership here. A real good guy.

Then we have this john moore guy. He's KNOWN to be a liar. He has a HISTORY of bad deal and unsatisfied customers and he's backpeddling like mad yet threatening at the end of a poorly worded and insincere appology.

I wonder who's going to be believed?

Pssst, johnny, it's James. HE'S the one who will be believed. But only because he's telling the truth and you're lying.
 
So John, do you feel it is necessary to threaten those who question your snakes? In this hobby, if someone is going to buy a hypo(and they are new to the morphs and do not want to be ripped off), than they have every right to ask others for advice on what they should look for in a snake. Really John, you stooped to quite the low standard threatening James.
 
A classic he said/she said. I know who I believe and it isn't you Mr. Moore. Yes, our constitution allows people to bear arms (though most felons lose that right). I also carry considerable firepower most of time. But when you are armed and you make a threat, that's plain stupid. It doesn't matter whether you threatened to kick his ass (as you admit) or to kill him.

To not know your own snakes is stupidity, to intentionally misrepresent them when you have been informed otherwise is criminal. So which is it? Are you stupid, a criminal, or a stupid criminal? :>poke2<:
 
Jim O said:
A classic he said/she said. I know who I believe and it isn't you Mr. Moore. Yes, our constitution allows people to bear arms (though most felons lose that right). I also carry considerable firepower most of time. But when you are armed and you make a threat, that's plain stupid. It doesn't matter whether you threatened to kick his ass (as you admit) or to kill him.

To not know your own snakes is stupidity, to intentionally misrepresent them when you have been informed otherwise is criminal. So which is it? Are you stupid, a criminal, or a stupid criminal? :>poke2<:


I wonder if this flash holds true. Picture if you would......

A room, it used to be white, during the nixon administration, and the carpet may have been a light brown at one time. Now it is more the dark brown of a snickers bar. It's doubtful the smears are chocolate now matter how charitable you are.

There is a couch, torn up, beer stained, stuffing coming out most of the cushions, the arms worn down to the wood frame. There are two blacker spots on the couch, both HUGE and shaped like the ass of our hero johnny.

In front of the couch is an old door, hollow core and stained beyond any possible recollection of what color it used to be, old pizza boxes and beer cans, ciggarette butts and overfull ashtrays struggling to stay afloat amidst the empty potato chip bags cockaroaches, olive pits distinguishable from the rat turds in no discernable way; all this sits on two old tires salvaged from the chevy sitting on blocks in the front yard. It's been there since 1978.

Here, amply filling one of the LARGE black ass-shapes on his "couch" sits genetics genious johnny moore as he contimplates Jim O's question? Were you able to stomache the aroma of ode' de dumbass long enough to get close enough to touch, shudder shudder, this creatin, you would hear a noise much akin to the workings of an old waterwheel such as used to be used to trun millstones in centuries past; the creaking and ponderous scraping of wood on wood is eerily akin to the noises one would hear from our bright boy as he thought, "I'm NOT stupid so I must be a criminal but wait I can't tell them that but then that would mean I'm stupid but wait, I'm not stupid so that must meant I'm a criminal and I am, I mean I'm not, well I mean I am but they don't have any proof, so I must be stupid but no WAY am I more stupider, no smarter than them guys, no wait I.....I......

And there, in my mind, he sits, scratching his head, when he's not scratching his ass, trying to figure out if he's stupid, a criminal or a stupid criminal.

Any takers on accuracy?
 
In the great state of Arizona we have the right to bare arms, and we choose to do so.

Yeah, that's why Larry the cable guy rips all of the sleeves off from his shirts, you know. :hehe:
 
Well John, First, I made no fuss, and second, your paying customer was my partner there at the show. He wanted MY opinion because I have an interest in the deal as well. So, if you were thinking you were going to sell normal boas as het Sunglows then you should have had the common sense to realize you would have to convince me first. Your dead on explanation of the genetics in regard to these snakes is the funniest thing I have ever read, especially since when I explained that to you, you said that I did not know what I was talking about. I think it is ironic that you are now going with what I told you when you were swearing that they were het for hypo and albino before, and you were willing to make verbal threats in defense of your ignorance. You did indeed threaten to kill me, and the first time you threatened to pull me over the table and do it. Remember? Then you did it again, and again one more time when you asked me to come behind your table.

John, you should know that I stick with the truth, and what is fair. I had no problem backing you up and defending you here on the BOI when Leslie Stiemens started a bad guy thread about you for selling those Centrilian Pythons for a much higher price than you paid for them. It was a bogus complaint, and I called him on it. That did not mean that I am going to lie for you in order for you to trade those Boas to Tom. We did not and still do not need any normal 66% possible het for albino boas. We just spent the last 8 weeks selling 12 of them of our own.

To your credit, I do not believe that you misrepresented the Boas out of any deception on your part. I believe it was out of ignorance. Ignorance, in that you simply did not understand the genetics behind a morph that involves a co-dominant trait and a simple recessive trait. There is no crime there. The crime was in the way you responded when I explained to why we were going to pass (after you demanded an explaination). If you remember, I said they did not look like hypos to me, and you said they weren't hypos. but that that they were het for hypo. Then you just got downright belligerent and you would not just take no for an answer. You said I blew your deal and you lost it. Remember that? I do...
 
here is what i found!!

here are the threads i found concerning mooresnakes. I read through all of it and it looks like he has a 75/25 percent ratio of good/bad posts. I do think there is a little more to the story then what he says as far as only saying " i will kick your a@@".

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33623&highlight=mooresnakes


http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68374&highlight=mooresnakes

I am beginning to think we should all carry tape recorders on us to avoid all the he said/ she said crap. Somebody here is lying, it is up to his perspective customers to decide if they think he is the one lying.
 
Still a P.O.S. in my opinion........ It takes a real slimeball to behave in that manner and there are absolutely no excuses. You Mr. Moore are a pr oven liar, and you're lying now.....

Some things obviously never change.

Don't worry, you'll be given the opportunity to make it right... With or without consent.

Mr Moore you are pathetic, and not forgotten.

Good Day to you Sir. :)



Definitely a character I'd enjoy teaching a lesson........
 
wow!!!!

Chris@TSE said:
Still a P.O.S. in my opinion........ It takes a real slimeball to behave in that manner and there are absolutely no excuses. You Mr. Moore are a pr oven liar, and you're lying now.....

Don't worry, you'll be given the opportunity to make it right... With or without consent.
Mr Moore you are pathetic, and not forgotten.


Definitely a character I'd enjoy teaching a lesson........

No need to beat around the bush CHRIS, tell us what you really think about him. I think that he will have hard time explaining his behaiour to people at the next show. How many people are going to read this and avoid his table next time???
 
"I appologies for this thread being brought to this BOI."

There is absoluetly no need for you to apologize for me here. What you should have done was apologize TO me before this was brought here.

"I know there should be more important things to discuss than the ramblings of James Wilson."

Well John, I guess that would just depend on who it is that is discussing my ramblings, now wouldn't it. I am not surprised for one second that you see my words as ramblings. Anyway you are probably right in that there are more important things in this world to discuss than my ramblings. However, here on the BOI, my specific ramblings concerning you seem to be important to at least a few people here...

"James Wilson you are forgiven but not forgotten."

Isn't that why this happened in the first place John???
 
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