Jon & Katie larson = Jesse Underhill

[HerpVenue]

Jesse errr I mean Jon Larson Really has the yellow ghost.
Jesse err Jon Larson also has the wild caught axanthic.

But Jesse Underhill = Jon Larson

Someone who shall remain nameless wanted to buy his yellow ghosts.  This person wrote to David Van Houten of logan Enterprises....(The person who the animals came from)
All the stuff was forwarded to me.

Here is the quote
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Subj: Re: yellow ghost and axanthic
Date: 7/19/02 10<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>0:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From:    [email protected] (David Van Houten)
To:    XXXXXXX




Yes, those 2 animals came from me. I always dealt with Jon at [email protected] I shipped the animals to Mn. He got them last week from me. The axanthic is an import the ghost was bred by me. I had the axanthic about 4 months the ghost is about 3 months old now.

David Van Houten
Logan Enterprises
http://members.cox.net/loganenterprises
----- Original Message -----
From: XXXXXXX
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 9:30 PM
Subject: yellow ghost and axanthic


I would like to inquire if a certain Jon and Katie Larson got a
yellow ghost and an axanthic from you.  I was interested in buying them...
But was doing some research on them first.  What e-mail do you have for them?  I have [email protected].  Are they in Minnesota?  Do you know around what date they bought the snakes?  Do you now who the breeders where of the snakes?  How old are they?  Quick question......I was just curious...did he buy them or trade you animals for them.  How long did you have the snakes?  How long has he had them?

Thank you....
I am just a little paranoid of buying these days
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Everybody knows that on of Jesse Underhill's e-mails is [email protected]

Well let me spell it out.
Jon Larson = [email protected] = Jesse Underhill

Jon Larson / Katie Larson / JJ's Reptiles / AwesomeBoas / Reptile Dude (Bob Clark Forums)  / "Big Boa Breeder" / etc etc etc

 

[HerpVenue]

Whoops I meant Reptile guy from bob clark forums....
but that ID has already been deleted.


Reptile dude is an innocent bystander.  It was my typo.

My apologies reptile dude

 

[jefjen]

Ritchie,,,man,,when is this idiot Jesse-Jon-Katie ever gonna learn??? This guy has got to be one of the stupidist people i have ever had the pleasure of not meeting... Ritchie,,with you on the case,,i dont think this guy has a chance of selling a condom to a prostitute,,,much less a snake... Thanx for taking the time to track down allthese crooks IP addresses,,so that we all know who is who.... Jesse-Jon-Katie,,or whoever you are,,you are an idiot,,and i hope you get exactly what you deserve..
 Jeff Lewis

 

[HerpVenue]

They are still trying to convince a certain person that they are different people.  A :friend e-mailed him to ask him why he used [email protected]  he says the following

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">JOn here At 4am this morning when I got home I called Mr underhill he said his emails are [email protected] and [email protected] not phezhunter capital P  [email protected] is keith Vanbeeks email I'm using will he is in England.We are using my wifes laptop from the school that on a PPPoE connection it the same IP for everyone on that connection it's not a static connection.if you look Mr Underhills IP is diff. from our's.Plus we don't even live in the same town now.He live at 1920 2nd ave Se We live at 61595 150th  ST rose creek Mn All the hets are not from anyone around here they came from RMreptiles.Greg Howden don't have a PC.The only ball I know that is a import is the ringer we have he not forsale.Just the record jesse dissapears we have not I have been out of town and the wfie don't use the PC that much.If you would like I was at Dold foods.Inc 2929 Ohio St Wichita KS Were I worked before I transfer to hormel in Austin.Jon

 [email protected] wrote:

whatever....
I read all about you.
I thought you were all using the computer from the nursing school.
Now you are using Greg howden's e-mail?
Nice try.  yahoo is free.  Why did you not buy the balls with [email protected]

Why did you e-mail them with [email protected]?

You are already caught....and instead of disappearing.....you instead continue to try to lie your way out of it.  
Ritchie is right....YOU ARE TOO STUPID !!! That is why you keep getting caught.

I know all the stories and all the horrid details about you.
Youcan't tell me that you used Greg howden's e-mail.
Because you could have just as easily used yahoo.
Oh yeah.  you just got those balls a couple weeks ago.
Why did you use [email protected] to buy them with?
Why did you not use your own e-mail?

You are so full of #### !!!
By the way....why don't you tell people that one of those ball pythons is an import.
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I just e-mailed my hotmail account.
[email protected]  CAPITAL R

I also e-mailed [email protected]  little r

they both went into my account...

Also the axanthic he is selling is an import....which he of course is lying about.

Also he told us he used to work for hormel in wichita....now he is saying he use to work for dold foods

 

[redtailboas]

Email is not nor has it ever been case sensitive.

[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
etc etc etc etc etc

are ALL the same email address.  The reason?  For exactly what you are saying.  So NOONE can accidentally get "someone elses" mail because of case mismatches.

Also why have you (Jon) not replied to my personal email.  I have been sending it to [email protected].  Should I send it to [email protected] (with a Capital P) ? ? or maybe [email protected] (with a lowercase p).

Please inform me of the correct email address.....

 

[April Homich]

I know email is not case sensitive, but just to be completely clear on the email thing and remove any doubt, I have ALL of my emails from Jesse still saved.  ALL were from [email protected] - with a lowercase p.  Jesse, Jesse, Jesse.  When will you learn???

 

[jlepsch]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ritchie Luna @ July 20 2002,14:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">They are still trying to convince a certain person that they are different people.  </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Easy fix.  Meet me.  If you guys are so eager, why haven't you taken me up on my offer?  I will meet you guys and verify that you are two different entities.  All you need to do is tell me when and where, provide ID, and I will take care of the rest.

 

[Dr Owens]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (jlepsch @ July 20 2002,16:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ritchie Luna @ July 20 2002,14:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">They are still trying to convince a certain person that they are different people.  </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Easy fix.  Meet me.  If you guys are so eager, why haven't you taken me up on my offer?  I will meet you guys and verify that you are two different entities.  All you need to do is tell me when and where, provide ID, and I will take care of the rest.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Simple enough...

If it were so important to them to "clear their name" then why don't they take Jeff up on his offer?

Oh wait...fake ID's are much harder to come by after your older than 21!  Maybe that's why their holding out... <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

 

[HerpVenue]

wow.....I am getting a lot of forwarded e-mails.
e-mails that these two have been sending out.
one of those e-mails is rather interesting......
In the True to form Jesse Underhill style....Jon & Katie Larson are also stealing pics and representing them as his own.....


Here is an animal owned and being sold by Clay english of  www.redtailboas.com
http://www.redtailboas.com/pastel/index.shtml

here is a picture being past around by the Larsons....aka Jesse Underhill.  I put it on my website so people can see it.

Does anyone else see anything wrong?


Clay has no idea his picture was stolen until now of course.

Clay do not erase that picture off your site.  So people can forever see.

 

[HerpVenue]

p.s.


Jon & Katie Larson = 218 herps   for those who did not know

 

[redtailboas]

When this all started out, when to the world, J & K Larson were brand new hobbiest,  this is the pastel male they were interested in trading for.  

I assure you, this male is STILL in my possession.  

I actually have someone trying to purchase it as I reply to this post.

Jon, actually was trying to trade this pastel boa to someone else for other snakes, long before we had made any deals.  I will try to find that email as well.

So he is TRULY misrepresenting animals he does not have AGAIN.  In true Jesse Underhill fashion I may mention.

Jon, Jesse, whoever you are. You will NEVER have this boa.

And Jesse/Jon/Katie..... It's    RONNE   you idiot!

 

[HerpVenue]

Clay's story is true.... Jon Larson / aka Jesse underhill is trying to trade a boa he does not have to someone else
that picture was attached to this letter jon larson aka jesse underhill sent to a guy named Jeff

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">----- Original Message -----
From: Katie Larson
To: Cindy & Jeff
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: some of your snakes


Hi jeff ,

This is Jon Larson my wife has made a mistake with the babies.the females are gone But we have the male and a Jeff Ronnie Pastel Dubay bloodline male left if you like them.here is a picture of the pastel male he is 2' and eats everything in front of him.Sorry for the mix up look at Jeff Ronnie site and see how much his pastel are.If that's not enuff we could add alittle cash too.Jon Larson

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here is jesse trying to convince someone that he never said that picture was his.  But he put his companies name on the pic.  Here is Jesse trying to convince someone that he will be getting the animal
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Subj: Re: still available?
Date: 7/21/02 2:20:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From:    [email protected] (Katie Larson)
To:    [email protected]




We traded clay two of our striped boa for it and someone ask for a photo of it I told them it was clay picture it was the pastel were getting.If you would read I have no ID I'm trying to get it set up with mr underhill to meet that one guy on the BOI so you can see then you will be eatting your words.Jon

 [email protected] wrote:

nice stolen pic of the pastel you are passing around
clay english will be glad to hear that jesse steals pics and so does jon and katie larson of 218herps & rescue center
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[HerpVenue]

I know you guys are tired of seeing this...
but it is my responsibility to post things when people call my attention to stuff

in the e-mail above he says
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Subj: Re: still available?
Date: 7/21/02 2:20:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From:    [email protected] (Katie Larson)
To:    [email protected]




We traded clay two of our striped boa for it </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

now someone sent me this
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">----- Original Message -----
From: Katie Larson
To: Cindy & Jeff
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: some of your snakes


yes we got him from Clay english for 260.00

 Cindy & Jeff <XXXXXXXX#XXXX.com> wrote:

I was really interested in a 1.1 pair. Is the pic of the pastel boa the exact one you are offering? I will trade for the 2 males and $50. If they are tame and healthy. Let me know.
Thanks Again,
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In typical Underhill style...
two different stories on the same animal

 

[dkpuma]

I just wanted to add to this, as if there wasn't any doubt. I sent the above questioned animals to "Jon Larson". You'll never guess who signed for the animals. Yep J. Underhill. You should think about those things when signing your name. How would you like to explain this?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

David Van Houten
Logan Enterprises

 

[HerpVenue]

David...which address did you send it to and when?

 

[HerpVenue]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 21:557 -0700 (PDT)
From: Katie Larson
Subject: Re: tracking number
To: Clay English

Clay,
We are leaving in about 15 minutes down too Iowa,My wifes father had a stroke. But I have a friend that will be waiting for them at his place till we get back tuesday night. Then I'll email you tuesday night saying we got him.

His name is
Mike Peterson c/o 218 Herps
1011 4th ave N.W
Austin,Mn
55912
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You state that you were having animals shipped to mike....because you found out your animals where shipped to jesse and you wanted NOTHING to do with him.  that was the 23 of June

On July 9 more reptiles were shipped to Jesse underhill
A wc axanthic and a cb yellow ghost.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">July 9, 1920 2nd Ave.

David Van Houten
Logan Enterprises
http://members.cox.net/loganenterprises
----- Original Message -----
From: "RitchieReptiles" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 6:16 PM
Subject: what date


> Hi David.
> What date did you send the animals to Jesse........err I mean Jon?
>
> and which address did you shipp it to?
> 1920 2nd ave
> or
> 61595 150th street
> ================================
> Ritchie Luna
> www.RitchieReptiles.com
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[Lucas Denning]

Does law enforcement really suck this bad in this country??  This is getting ridiculous.  How many people has this guy ripped off?  He's never gonna stop!  There are always new ppl out there that he is just waiting for.....  Truly sad.  I can not understand why this guy could not be in jail.  And....we have the very best "investigator" that I've ever seen in the industry following this loser everywhere.  What can be done?
Lucas

 

[HerpVenue]

a little advice Jesse.


Start coming clean.
Let people know who you are.
let people know the truth about what you are selling.
Do not misrepresent your animals.

THEN AND ONLY THEN WILL I LEAVE YOU ALONE !!



but alas.....you are and always be up to your old tricks......

anyone want to make bets on what name he comes up with next?

 

[Lucas Denning]

ROCK ON RITCHIE!

 

[redtailboas]

I need a little input from you guys and gals.

Although my gut says go ahead and do it I did want to get some feedback from others who are privy to this inquiry/soap opera.

I have sent this email twice (only difference is the added dates) to Jon and Katie Larsons email address.  I have it under good sources that they are in fact reading "other" emails sent to this same address.  Yet mine are being ignored.

This is the email I have been sending to them

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Jon/Jesse/Katie/Mike

I am requesting the return shipping fee AGAIN.  I have previously requested the $30.00 for the return shipping fee for the 2 little boas.  This request was on my original email immediately following discovering you using Jesse Underhill's name and address. Also sent on the 13 of July...and now August 5th.  I again ask for this money to be sent to me as per your initial agreement.

They have been fed once a week since they have been here.  The feeding cost is $1.00 per feeding per boa.  If you do not send the 30.00 asap, I will be forced to sell one or both of the boas, in return to cover the feeding and return shipping costs.  

If I am forced to sell one or both of the boas to recover shipping/feeding costs, understand that they will be wholesaled out locally at a very reduced cost. These boas will not be sold on my website.

According to several sources, you are getting your emails sent to this address, so I will take non-communication as an agreement to settle for my terms.

Best Regards,

-Clay
www.redtailboas.com
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I would think my options are to sell one boa locally, then I will pay to ship the second boa back to Jesse Underhills address.

Please let me know what you guys think...