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I received an email from a previous customer about a guy posting my breeding and hatchling pictures of my Platty x Normal clutch. He had a post on a Miami craigslist and numerous other posts on various websites searchable under his email address. I contacted him from a different email address so he wouldn't recognize where it was coming from.
Long story short, he is claiming to have a Het Platty for sale that he produced. He also claims to have produced Platties and lessers in the same clutch. He is using my breeding pictures, my actual het platty picture and a few other platty pics of which I don't know who the real owners are.
I was trying to set up a trade deal to extract more information from him like his real name/address/phone number but he ceased communication so he likely figured out who I was. The first part of the email string contains the attachments that he sent me. Notice one of the pics is named platty x norm (my picture title!).
Just another scumbag in our industry stealing photos from others, claiming hets that aren't hets (he never sent an 'updated' picture of the het....which in reality he doesn't even have), and claiming to produce clutches he really didn't. I hope no one falls for this guy and his scam as you could lose a high dollar snake/cash for a normal female.
Here is the email string and I've attached a document with screen shots of his ad on craigslist:
Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)Thursday, June 28, 2012 1:05 AM
From: This sender is DomainKeys verified"Jonny Escobar" <[email protected]>Add sender to Contacts
To: "Verizon Class" <[email protected]>
Message contains attachments4 Files (372KB) | Download All
pdaddym1.jpg
platinum1.jpg
platty x norm.jpg
platty baby.jpg
From: Verizon Class <[email protected]>
To: Jonny Escobar <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)
Yes, i can send you more. It will also have to be when i get home this evening.
--- On Wed, 6/27/12, Jonny Escobar <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Jonny Escobar <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)
To: "Verizon Class" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2012, 4:48 PM
sorry ive been a bit tied up but i will as soon as i get home today. can i get a couple more pics of the pied if possible?
From: Verizon Class <[email protected]>
To: Jonny Escobar <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)
Were you able to send the pictures that were in your craigslist add? I didn't receive any.
--- On Tue, 6/26/12, Jonny Escobar <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Jonny Escobar <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)
To: "Verizon Class" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2012, 8:57 PM
that sounds real interesting. if you pop any of that crazy stuff be sure to contact me because i'll be interested for sure
From: Verizon Class <[email protected]>
To: Jonny Escobar <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)
No kidding. I haven't seen that one yet. I did see the platty/pinstripe/pastel combo. That looked amazing.
--- On Tue, 6/26/12, Jonny Escobar <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Jonny Escobar <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)
To: "Verizon Class" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2012, 8:52 PM
i saw a platty daddy spider and it looked amazing.
From: Verizon Class <[email protected]>
To: Jonny Escobar <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)
Likely a lesser combo. Not really sure yet.
--- On Tue, 6/26/12, Jonny Escobar <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Jonny Escobar <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)
To: "Verizon Class" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2012, 8:38 PM
shes real nice. what are you planning on pairing the het platty with?
From: Verizon Class <[email protected]>
To: Jonny Escobar <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)
Ok cool. That'll work. I'll wait on your other pictures. I soaked the pied in warm water yesterday and got most of her shed off but this picture was on my phone. She looks much better without all the stuck shed.
--- On Tue, 6/26/12, Jonny Escobar <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Jonny Escobar <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)
To: "Verizon Class" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2012, 7:49 PM
im interested in the kingpin or the pied the most, they would fit the best in my breeding plans. im not really concerned with the bad shed. some warm water should do the trick.
From: Verizon Class <[email protected]>
To: Jonny Escobar <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)
I was actually able to find some pictures on my phone of them. The pied had a bad shed in the pic. Pictures definitely came out darker, camera phone not quite as good. Let me know.
Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:45 PM
From: This sender is DomainKeys verified"Jonny Escobar" <[email protected]>Add sender to Contacts
To: "Verizon Class" <[email protected]>
lol of course not all. that would be crazy. i just want to see which them and make a choice you know. and i'll send the other pics from the ad when i get home, im at work right now
From: Verizon Class <[email protected]>
To: Jonny Escobar <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)
Thanks for the updated pictures. Can you also send the ones that you had posted on craigslist? I believe you had 4 pictures on there but the post is expired now. I meant to send you the pics of my 3 snakes that you were interested in but didn't get a chance to last night. Had to work late. The fire het pied is a female. I should be able to send them tonight. You're not asking to trade for all of them right? Male kingpin 250 grams worth $900-$1000, female pied (high white) 750 grams worth $1500+, female fire het pied 1400+ grams worth $1500+.
From: Jonny Escobar <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)
To: <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, June 25, 2012, 5:58 PM
yea i produced them. i dont have many pics of the clutch but i have to look through my files on my computer at home. i am interested in the kingpin, female pied and fire het pied but i would like to know if the fire is male or female? and i understand what you mean about buying hets. i bought the big female het platty from a local breeder and i was so hesitant but it proved out lol i have a platty daddy that i held back from the clutch from the het for sale. i'll send pics tonight when i get home. please send pics and info of the snakes im interested in please. thank you. hope to hear from you soon.
From: <[email protected]>
To: Jonny Escobar <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)
Yeah I haven't seen any around for sale either. Kind of hesitant on buying hets in general though unless I'm getting them from the actual producer. Really would like to know if you produced this clutch. Can you send pictures of the entire clutch altogether? Also would still like updated pics of both parents. Babies I have available are male kingpin, male black pastel het pied, female albino, male adult pied, female sub-adult pied, female adult lesser, pastel, fire het pied, and pinstripe. Let me know if you're interested in any.
On Jun 24, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Jonny Escobar <[email protected]> wrote:
there were lessers, platties, and hets in the clutch. platties can run anywhere from 3-7 thousand but the hets im not sure because i havent seen many for sale. thats why im open to offers or trades. just list what you are willing to trade i guess. im looking more for juvies and babies than i a am adults though
From: <[email protected]>
To: Jonny Escobar <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)
Nice. What do you think she is worth? I'm interested in her but I haven't seen them posted so not sure on value. So did you produce the platties and the het platty that you have for sale? Please send more pics if both parents and updated pics of the het platty. Also, please send pics if the platty offspring. What kind of trade are you looking for?
On Jun 24, 2012, at 6:27 PM, Jonny Escobar <[email protected]> wrote:
those are the parents on the ad. i can send more pics tomorrow if you are interested and im looking for trades or cash offers so you can offer and we can work from there
From: Verizon Class <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 12:55 PM
Subject: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)
Hi there, I am interested in your Het Platty Daddy. How much are you asking and did you produce her yourself? If so, please send more updated pics/weight on her.
Thank you,
Justin
Long story short, he is claiming to have a Het Platty for sale that he produced. He also claims to have produced Platties and lessers in the same clutch. He is using my breeding pictures, my actual het platty picture and a few other platty pics of which I don't know who the real owners are.
I was trying to set up a trade deal to extract more information from him like his real name/address/phone number but he ceased communication so he likely figured out who I was. The first part of the email string contains the attachments that he sent me. Notice one of the pics is named platty x norm (my picture title!).
Just another scumbag in our industry stealing photos from others, claiming hets that aren't hets (he never sent an 'updated' picture of the het....which in reality he doesn't even have), and claiming to produce clutches he really didn't. I hope no one falls for this guy and his scam as you could lose a high dollar snake/cash for a normal female.
Here is the email string and I've attached a document with screen shots of his ad on craigslist:
Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)Thursday, June 28, 2012 1:05 AM
From: This sender is DomainKeys verified"Jonny Escobar" <[email protected]>Add sender to Contacts
To: "Verizon Class" <[email protected]>
Message contains attachments4 Files (372KB) | Download All
pdaddym1.jpg
platinum1.jpg
platty x norm.jpg
platty baby.jpg
From: Verizon Class <[email protected]>
To: Jonny Escobar <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)
Yes, i can send you more. It will also have to be when i get home this evening.
--- On Wed, 6/27/12, Jonny Escobar <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Jonny Escobar <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)
To: "Verizon Class" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2012, 4:48 PM
sorry ive been a bit tied up but i will as soon as i get home today. can i get a couple more pics of the pied if possible?
From: Verizon Class <[email protected]>
To: Jonny Escobar <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)
Were you able to send the pictures that were in your craigslist add? I didn't receive any.
--- On Tue, 6/26/12, Jonny Escobar <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Jonny Escobar <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)
To: "Verizon Class" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2012, 8:57 PM
that sounds real interesting. if you pop any of that crazy stuff be sure to contact me because i'll be interested for sure
From: Verizon Class <[email protected]>
To: Jonny Escobar <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)
No kidding. I haven't seen that one yet. I did see the platty/pinstripe/pastel combo. That looked amazing.
--- On Tue, 6/26/12, Jonny Escobar <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Jonny Escobar <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)
To: "Verizon Class" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2012, 8:52 PM
i saw a platty daddy spider and it looked amazing.
From: Verizon Class <[email protected]>
To: Jonny Escobar <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)
Likely a lesser combo. Not really sure yet.
--- On Tue, 6/26/12, Jonny Escobar <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Jonny Escobar <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)
To: "Verizon Class" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2012, 8:38 PM
shes real nice. what are you planning on pairing the het platty with?
From: Verizon Class <[email protected]>
To: Jonny Escobar <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)
Ok cool. That'll work. I'll wait on your other pictures. I soaked the pied in warm water yesterday and got most of her shed off but this picture was on my phone. She looks much better without all the stuck shed.
--- On Tue, 6/26/12, Jonny Escobar <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Jonny Escobar <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)
To: "Verizon Class" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2012, 7:49 PM
im interested in the kingpin or the pied the most, they would fit the best in my breeding plans. im not really concerned with the bad shed. some warm water should do the trick.
From: Verizon Class <[email protected]>
To: Jonny Escobar <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)
I was actually able to find some pictures on my phone of them. The pied had a bad shed in the pic. Pictures definitely came out darker, camera phone not quite as good. Let me know.
Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:45 PM
From: This sender is DomainKeys verified"Jonny Escobar" <[email protected]>Add sender to Contacts
To: "Verizon Class" <[email protected]>
lol of course not all. that would be crazy. i just want to see which them and make a choice you know. and i'll send the other pics from the ad when i get home, im at work right now
From: Verizon Class <[email protected]>
To: Jonny Escobar <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)
Thanks for the updated pictures. Can you also send the ones that you had posted on craigslist? I believe you had 4 pictures on there but the post is expired now. I meant to send you the pics of my 3 snakes that you were interested in but didn't get a chance to last night. Had to work late. The fire het pied is a female. I should be able to send them tonight. You're not asking to trade for all of them right? Male kingpin 250 grams worth $900-$1000, female pied (high white) 750 grams worth $1500+, female fire het pied 1400+ grams worth $1500+.
From: Jonny Escobar <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)
To: <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, June 25, 2012, 5:58 PM
yea i produced them. i dont have many pics of the clutch but i have to look through my files on my computer at home. i am interested in the kingpin, female pied and fire het pied but i would like to know if the fire is male or female? and i understand what you mean about buying hets. i bought the big female het platty from a local breeder and i was so hesitant but it proved out lol i have a platty daddy that i held back from the clutch from the het for sale. i'll send pics tonight when i get home. please send pics and info of the snakes im interested in please. thank you. hope to hear from you soon.
From: <[email protected]>
To: Jonny Escobar <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)
Yeah I haven't seen any around for sale either. Kind of hesitant on buying hets in general though unless I'm getting them from the actual producer. Really would like to know if you produced this clutch. Can you send pictures of the entire clutch altogether? Also would still like updated pics of both parents. Babies I have available are male kingpin, male black pastel het pied, female albino, male adult pied, female sub-adult pied, female adult lesser, pastel, fire het pied, and pinstripe. Let me know if you're interested in any.
On Jun 24, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Jonny Escobar <[email protected]> wrote:
there were lessers, platties, and hets in the clutch. platties can run anywhere from 3-7 thousand but the hets im not sure because i havent seen many for sale. thats why im open to offers or trades. just list what you are willing to trade i guess. im looking more for juvies and babies than i a am adults though
From: <[email protected]>
To: Jonny Escobar <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)
Nice. What do you think she is worth? I'm interested in her but I haven't seen them posted so not sure on value. So did you produce the platties and the het platty that you have for sale? Please send more pics if both parents and updated pics of the het platty. Also, please send pics if the platty offspring. What kind of trade are you looking for?
On Jun 24, 2012, at 6:27 PM, Jonny Escobar <[email protected]> wrote:
those are the parents on the ad. i can send more pics tomorrow if you are interested and im looking for trades or cash offers so you can offer and we can work from there
From: Verizon Class <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 12:55 PM
Subject: Ball Python Morph & Het!! (Miami)
Hi there, I am interested in your Het Platty Daddy. How much are you asking and did you produce her yourself? If so, please send more updated pics/weight on her.
Thank you,
Justin
