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Bad Guy jsoldier1(Joseph jenkins) NEW Thread

I never said he would pay faster. I just said it would show the people how he is and to get cash up front. Don't you think I know I will get it when he gets ready no matter what. I have said that. I am done, like I said I will let EVERYONE know how it works out.
 
OK, I said I was done but, one more thing. You may think I jumped the gun in writing this thread, but you have to see that it would be different if he wouldn't have told me THREE times that he was going to pay me on other days. Not once not twice three times. I am the kind of person that thinks one should stand by there word and if they can't work something out. I Promise you if he had said in the beginning or even the second time I can't have the money until next Friday I would have worked that out with him. That's the kind of person I am. I will always offer a payment plan if possible. If that would have been the agreement I would have worked my money out differently during the week. But no I KNEW I was getting 75 on Friday. I can't help that I have to live week to week right now. I got Injured at work but had a preexisting back injury so I get nothing. I don't know if you know how it is to live week to week. I didn't before this. I just figured hey I have always done sales and I keep and love reptiles.Not to mention I can do it from home. I tried it out. It was all going good deal to deal until this happened. Like I said I should have listened to my girlfriend as usual and not shipped until I had cash in hand. A big I told you so. Sorry for putting my personal business out here for you to see. I just thought it might help up understand the situation. $75 might not be much but when you invest in right you can make 4 times that back. Like I said I have been in sales for years that's what I do. Not to mention the money spent on the table. That wasn't that much money to me just a few months ago even you can look at my collection to see that. There's a big difference when you need it to get by.Now I'm done I will let you all know the out come.
 
I will make $175 easy off of that guy at a show. Less $30 that would be $145 . Worst case I will make $150 I have never had a problem selling them for that. That's why we worked out the deal on $300 worth of snakes. I get $300 for reds all the time. $250 at least. These aren't right off the farm hatchlings. I do a lot of work with them. The red I didn't have time to that's why I would say it would be worth less.

Ok Tim... this is what I suggest doing and mentioned it in the begining. Personally, you should have sent the carpets back to him considering you couldnt hold up your end of the bargain (the two b&w's). It was you who decided to reconstruct the deal to make it worth your while. That honestly was your first mistake. Your second mistake, and most likely your largest is that you seem so unwilling to just wait until he gets paid to send that to you based on a show that you are only going to have one tegu? If not, you are actually assuming someone is going to buy it in the first place. Give him the decency until Friday to come up with the added expense. Sure, he has given you a little run around but ya know, if you act like a bill collector, hes gonna treat you like one ie.. checks in the mail.

Here's some thoughts from someone watching who does not know either party involved...

Tim...you are absolutely right that you are owed $75, given the details shared here so far. Joseph doesn't even dispute that. He doesn't say he won't pay....he just can't pay right this second, for whatever reason.

My question to you, Tim...is being "right" and a grand sum of $75 worth trashing your own reputation over? You may be"right"...but the impression you're giving of yourself to those like me who are watching is that of a spoiled little child stomping his foot and screaming "It's not fair! It's just not fair!!"

Well...duh. What in life IS fair? Is $75 really worth such a public tantrum? Especially when a little patience will most likely get you your money anyhow. Why is it so hard to be patient for such a small (relatively speaking) amount of money? As has already been pointed out...if the original tegu had not been lost, you'd never have had that $75 coming your way anyhow. So how can you be counting on it so desperately now?

Seriously...just looking at this from a practical stand point and analyzing who I might want to do business with...I'd go out of my way to avoid you. If the success of your table at a show depends on a mere $75 being delivered to you right now, then you're in the wrong business to begin with. I see no business sense, poor organizational skills, and no tolerance for others being the least bit slow or unresponsive.

Yes, you're RIGHT that you are owed $75. But is that worth the impression you're giving to people like me?

Just something to consider...

I absolutely agree Judy, for 75.00, I wouldnt want to take a hit on my reputation as its all I have.

That's what I have to do. I just don't see how this makes me look bad and not him. This just shows everyone that they can't rely on him. It shows the opposite for me. I know the tegu got loose and its my fault and I thought I did well by him to fix the situation. I just don't see where he has done that after he couldn't pay. Oh and by the way it kills me that that tegu is probably dead as I said before, I really work with the animals before they go out. I want people to have a great pet. I just don't see why you have been bashing me all day when you obviously didn't even read the emails. You shouldn't post here if you don't know the whole situation.

Dont get us wrong, he doesnt look good giving you a run around but I think we ALL can relate a little bit to NOT having 75.00 on hand to pay for something at times.

Whats making you look bad is "your negotiation" is that he sends it to you TODAY right now or ship back one of the Tegus... Maybe your negotiation should be hey, let me send you the carpets back first and then please send me my tegus back;)
 
Whats making you look bad is "your negotiation" is that he sends it to you TODAY right now or ship back one of the Tegus... Maybe your negotiation should be hey, let me send you the carpets back first and then please send me my tegus back

His negotiations are off because he's in a hurry to get animals to sell at a show. My grandfather use to tell me "Your drama doesn't constitute an emergency on my part.". I think that would apply here.
 
I never for one told you 3 or 4 times. I told you I was going to have the money on Friday or if I don't ill see if I could borrow it to give it to you Saturday. One time. I said I will see if I can get it on Monday. 2 times. After realizing that I couldn't borrow it I said ill most deff get it to you on Friday. Havnt backed out on that have I. And you say that I also went wrong on my delivery of the animals. I sent it off on Monday to the ups store (not knowing how it was ran) and thinking it would get shipped in time. Well it didn't when you email me I'm at work that's why I can't answer right away I work sometimes 12 hour shifts Monday through Friday plus working Sunday and Saturday. I don't have time to answer emails sometimes so I do it when I can that day. The ups store didn't end the package so to ensure proper animals towards you I went their and picked them up the guy was wrong for weighing the package then gives it back to me saying not to bring it back so of course I fussed him out. I told you what happned if you never would have contacted me about it I would have thought you would have had them already. So I sent them the next day through the main ups branch. And they got their the next day. And if the shoe was on the other foot no I wouldn't have made this boi on you not at all I'm patient very much sometimes and I would have been so with you working this out among us. But no you took it here I'm just saying I wouldn't have now I said I will have the money Friday I don't have it now. The box u gave me is long gone. I will have the money Friday. But you don't want it that way you want it your way you call what you call meeting in the middle I don't call it that you still had the solution one sided and that was your side no mines. You just see through the eyes of your own and nobody elses.
 
If you read my last I post I said I'm done and I'm going to wait. I know that it may seem to you I am making an ultimatum, but I'm not. I have said may times why don't you just work with me. YOU are the giving an Ultimatum. I have ASKED several time just to work something else out with me and all you can do is say I promise I'll have it this time. Your right I you didn't say try to get it Saturday, but you then you said OK then SUNDAY. Realize now that I didn't post the times on the emails and it looks like I wrote you back to back. I want everyone to know I didn't there are several hours between the emails. Not to mention when you were "trying to get the money together" You didn't even write me back just to let me know whats going on. You can tell I was not mad until you didn't respond for 2 days. YOU wait until I get agitated and mentioned taking this here before you wrote me back. After that is you contacted me that's when you said OK MONDAY then. After I didn't even contact you in between AT ALL. I have to email the day you OWE me again. What happens you don't respond. I know you may have been working but if you would have took 5 mins the night before to tell me what was going on WE WOULDN'T be here at all. Like I said ALL THAT I HAVE ASKED IS JUST TO MEET IN THE MIDDLE. If you don't like my offers fine I understand that. Lets work something out. I don't like your offer either. I just ask for more options like I was decent enough to do for you when it went bad on my end. Like I said in the previous post. I know I have to wait when someone owes you money the ball is in their court. I just figured any normal person would try to work something out not just say "It's going to be my or nothing." I just don't see how that wouldn't bother anyone else. He seem to be the "spoiled" one not me. I have ASKED not told him several times just to work with me. The best I could get was I will pay you Friday or Just send back the RED and it will cost ME nothing more. You know at this point sure I will take THAT deal being that you finally gave me a couple options. I'm sorry I guess I missed that post. It's not a real change in you Idea but hey it's a change. Like I said in the post before that I guess you just skimmed over. I KNOW I HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL FRIDAY. I tried to work it out you said NO we have to do it your way fine, But if I don't see the money Friday I expect to see the tegu on Tuesday. I want all of you all that will argue without reading to look at his post were he made me an offer. If I don't get the money Friday, he will finally just send one back. He said the he will sent the red back if he doesn't pay I guess I'm fine with that. I guess I have to be, if that's all he will offer. Like I said I'm done. There's nothing more to say here like I said I stated my case. If he finally pays Friday then GREAT. If not here we will be again.
 
If you read my last I post I said I'm done and I'm going to wait. I know that it may seem to you I am making an ultimatum, but I'm not. I have said may times why don't you just work with me. YOU are the giving an Ultimatum. I have ASKED several time just to work something else out with me and all you can do is say I promise I'll have it this time. Your right I you didn't say try to get it Saturday, but you then you said OK then SUNDAY. Realize now that I didn't post the times on the emails and it looks like I wrote you back to back. I want everyone to know I didn't there are several hours between the emails. Not to mention when you were "trying to get the money together" You didn't even write me back just to let me know whats going on. You can tell I was not mad until you didn't respond for 2 days. YOU wait until I get agitated and mentioned taking this here before you wrote me back. After that is you contacted me that's when you said OK MONDAY then. After I didn't even contact you in between AT ALL. I have to email the day you OWE me again. What happens you don't respond. I know you may have been working but if you would have took 5 mins the night before to tell me what was going on WE WOULDN'T be here at all. Like I said ALL THAT I HAVE ASKED IS JUST TO MEET IN THE MIDDLE. If you don't like my offers fine I understand that. Lets work something out. I don't like your offer either. I just ask for more options like I was decent enough to do for you when it went bad on my end. Like I said in the previous post. I know I have to wait when someone owes you money the ball is in their court. I just figured any normal person would try to work something out not just say "It's going to be my or nothing." I just don't see how that wouldn't bother anyone else. He seem to be the "spoiled" one not me. I have ASKED not told him several times just to work with me. The best I could get was I will pay you Friday or Just send back the RED and it will cost ME nothing more. You know at this point sure I will take THAT deal being that you finally gave me a couple options. I'm sorry I guess I missed that post. It's not a real change in you Idea but hey it's a change. Like I said in the post before that I guess you just skimmed over. I KNOW I HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL FRIDAY. I tried to work it out you said NO we have to do it your way fine, But if I don't see the money Friday I expect to see the tegu on Tuesday. I want all of you all that will argue without reading to look at his post were he made me an offer. If I don't get the money Friday, he will finally just send one back. He said the he will sent the red back if he doesn't pay I guess I'm fine with that. I guess I have to be, if that's all he will offer. Like I said I'm done. There's nothing more to say here like I said I stated my case. If he finally pays Friday then GREAT. If not here we will be again.

Well, seems like he didnt have a choice when he sent you his three carpets and expected two b&w's in return. Im not sure how you say that hes not trying to work with you and how hes giving you an ultimatum when in reality, its you giving the ultimatum. He is resorting to everything he can just to appease you. You are putting him in the akward situation of making promises that he most likely cannot keep. He said Friday so give him until Friday to do so.
You also state that if he would have spent 5 minutes talking to you about it, you wouldnt be here. Tim, I HIGHLY doubt that. You have to remember, I have been since the other thread, you know, the one with 5 pages of emails.

Sure his communication went down after he got the Tegus and I understand why you dont trust the deal but its all on you now. Once you had posession of his snakes, and didnt have the second Tegu, you changed the deal giving him an ultimatum, so to speak. He had three choices, his snakes back, the one red and b&w + 75.00, and the red. Did you think once to offer him his snakes back + money for the simple fact that he shipped those snakes to you and incurred a cost being that you could NOT complete the transaction?

Dont get me wrong, you are owed 75.00 and 75.00 can be a lot of money to some people. He never denied that either. He could have taken a different road here but I dont see that he is. Do I think he is broke and is there a chance you wont see your 75.00, sure. And when that happens, you can honestly label him a bad guy.

But let me say this, as an outsider Tim.. You dont look so great here with your demands when you negated the original deal to begin with. You dont even give him the opportunity to pay you the 75.00 he owes you now stating that its not good enough for you.

If on Monday he has to send the Tegu(s) back to you, I would expect that you should be sending the carpets back to him as well. I am sure the carpets have a lot more value than just one b&w and more sellable as well.

Joseph, if you cannot come up with 75.00 on Friday, you should send not one, but both Tegus back and have him send you your original carpets back. Regardless of what he wants for his Tegus, I am sure you could have sold your carpets and bought a FEW Tegu's.

These are just my thoughts on the deal though. Tim, just dont be so hard-nosed in your negotiations. I am sure that you werent when you had no choice but to negate the initial deal
 
Sure his communication went down after he got the Tegus and I understand why you dont trust the deal but its all on you now. Once you had posession of his snakes, and didnt have the second Tegu, you changed the deal giving him an ultimatum, so to speak. He had three choices, his snakes back, the one red and b&w + 75.00, and the red. Did you think once to offer him his snakes back + money for the simple fact that he shipped those snakes to you and incurred a cost being that you could NOT complete the transaction?

He never asked if I would pay money back as well in the beginning. I would have done that. You can see I have offered several times to pay that.
On top of that I would be more than happy to trade back if he doesn't have the money. He didn't want that. SO, I took the only other deal her offered. I could care less either way at this point I'm screwed and I am in the process of trying to sell my collection as well as my guitars to make some money another way. Like I said I'm just trying to get by also. It is everyone's opinion how who make our self look here. That's what BOI is for. If someone doesn't want to buy from be because of this so be it. I know that so far it hasn't hurt me at all. I still feel I tried to work it out to the best of my ability. If you don't think so fine it's your choice. Don't you know I read BOI all the time and I knew there would be some people against me. Not saying that you are or anything. I'm just say I really didn't want to go through this and I told him that. Like I said before I feel that the thread will serve it's purpose and that is all that matters to me. I just don't she a BIG RED LINE that says OK now it's not OK that you didn't pay. I know I lost the tegu, But after that he didn't pay. So, we were both wrong the only difference is like most people when it when wrong on my end I offered to just trade back. At that Point I might not have said it, but I assumed I would be paying him his shipping back so he didn't loose anything. That would only be fair. It just bothers me when it goes wrong on his end that he is just like I don't have it you have to wait. I never made him wait. I offered that OR another alternative. What it boils down to I shouldn't have made the red tegu offer. I should have offered the trade back or for him to wait for another. I just thought "hey I already have this red so why not offer that." I did this so he didn't have to wait because I felt bad for what happened. And then after that was again understanding and said sure I can wait to get paid. If you read the emails you can tell that he was excited that I went ahead and sent without payment. You can tell he was quite surprised with that and was expecting to have to wait. I felt I at least owed him that. Look where I ended up. Like I have been saying I know I messed up but so did he and I tried to make it better. He just is stuck in his ways. At this point I'm just tired of of repeating my self. The deal is done with him. We will see if he goes through with it THIS time. If not maybe you guys will finally see that it's not all me.
 
I just wanted to let everyone know (like I said I would) that I received my 5 corns today from Mr. Joseph Jenkins just as he promised, it took time but he did ship as I was patient and worked with him. The snake are all great and in good shape and already ate. I give this guy a A+ thanks Joseph!

Amanda
 
LoL I'm sorry Dustin, I didn't know anyone else was after them I sent him an offer and he took it.

I have about 15-17 corns though and I'm just trying to decide which one I want to keep and breed, you find a way to ship me some asf's to breed for your LA la and I'll send you 4 corns and a leo. HAha :D

Amanda
 
He never asked if I would pay money back as well in the beginning. I would have done that.
And yet, you start a Bad Guy thread over $75.00 in a trade a deal that YOU did not fullfill?
If you had it to pay him "in the beginning", why are are you in such a frenzy about 75 lousy bucks now?
He said Friday the 14th, right?

I could care less either way at this point I'm screwed and I am in the process of trying to sell my collection as well as my guitars to make some money another way
Well, that's definitely a drag.

Sorry to hear you have to sell your collection and guitars to make some money, but Jospeh Jenkins is certainily NOT responsible for you having to sell your colletion or guitars just because he doesn't have the $75.00 you decided he owed you when you couldn't send him the tegus you agreed on.
There wasn't even any cash involved in the orginal deal, so being indignant, self-righteous and combative now doesn't serve you well in future endeavors.

It is also is a wise and responsible keeper/vendor who not only quarantines but keeps their herps (and their young and uneducated family members) safe. The emails were a little difficult to navigate, especially in your first thread, but I surmise that you flipped the tegus ... and also left them vulnerable to a 3-year old. Not smart for the 3-year old or the animal.
You might want to address both those issues in the future if you want to be taken seriously as a responsible vendor.

I do hope you get paid tomorrow, as he did agree to it, but that tiny amount of money should NOT be the basis of making or breaking you since it wasn't even part of the original deal.

Had you sent the tegus agreed upon, there were be NO Bad Guy thread here at all and you wouldn't be in such a frenzy over $75.00 .... bottom line.
 
Hey Tim, you forgot to update THIS thread, to inform us all that Joseph DID pay you as promised... you posted on the other thread, that none of us were subscribed to, so none of us would get the update...

Well, I wanted to make sure it didn't go unnoticed that Joseph DID indeed pay, and Tim's only response was that he no longer wished to post
 
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