That is not a new tone for the BOI. People have ALWAYS posted their opinions about another, regardless of whether or not they have had a business transaction with them or not. It is just the nature of any online forum and not a BOI specific issue.Karen Hulvey said:
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Jungle Habitats: Alan Hall, the rest of the story
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Karen, congrats on your drivel merit badge!
And you have more posts than me in less than half the time!
Look, you can like Alan all you want. Who cares. But to say that we must have bought a cage from him in order to judge his character and disregard other personal and observed interactions ?
Karen, try doing some research beyond the receipt for your cage, right in this very thread.
1) In 2004 Alan tries to sell information to Jeff B. (I believe he puts his fee excess of $10,000) which he feels ar of some mystical legal value regarding the comical issues surrounding the domain name Kingsnakes.com. In his wisdom, Jeff declines dealing with Alan. Good thing he hadn't bought a cage off him eh ?
2) In 2005, Alan ...... errrr Jen ....... or should we just collectively call him Sybil ........ creates an alias identity so as to compliment himself in other threads and forums.
3) And now, we have these useless diatribes full of insults and profanity aimed at others because he possesses neither the intellect nor the character for rational discourse.
Karen, you may give him all the cage business you can afford. You can limit your comments to his cage building abilities if you choose. The rest of us are under no such restrictions in discussing Alan. He chose to resurface in Fauna, step all over his wang, and once again has shown his participation here to be an unmitigated disaster. I thank you for your kind words though, and wish you well.
And you have more posts than me in less than half the time!
Look, you can like Alan all you want. Who cares. But to say that we must have bought a cage from him in order to judge his character and disregard other personal and observed interactions ?
Karen, try doing some research beyond the receipt for your cage, right in this very thread.
1) In 2004 Alan tries to sell information to Jeff B. (I believe he puts his fee excess of $10,000) which he feels ar of some mystical legal value regarding the comical issues surrounding the domain name Kingsnakes.com. In his wisdom, Jeff declines dealing with Alan. Good thing he hadn't bought a cage off him eh ?
2) In 2005, Alan ...... errrr Jen ....... or should we just collectively call him Sybil ........ creates an alias identity so as to compliment himself in other threads and forums.
3) And now, we have these useless diatribes full of insults and profanity aimed at others because he possesses neither the intellect nor the character for rational discourse.
Karen, you may give him all the cage business you can afford. You can limit your comments to his cage building abilities if you choose. The rest of us are under no such restrictions in discussing Alan. He chose to resurface in Fauna, step all over his wang, and once again has shown his participation here to be an unmitigated disaster. I thank you for your kind words though, and wish you well.
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That has been the policy for the BOI from the very beginning, Karen. Maybe if you paid closer attention you would make more credible and intelligent posts. Or could it possibly be you really have nothing substantial to complain about and need to just make up stuff now? Pretty typical of your attitude around here lately. Anyone who is against me or this site YOU are for, right? Everything else is superfluous.....
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Karen Hulvey said:
My first purchase from Chris Johnson was long before I knew much of the BOI, I hadn't even been a member here for a month. I made my second "purchase" based on my prior purchase, and the fact that Chris at least appeared to contribute something to the hobby and this place, which to me, which alone would perhaps not have made me choose to buy from him, but I also had what appeared to be a prior flawless transaction. Yep, he had a mouth on him at times, but he also SEEMED to truly care about the business. He had an excellent trader rating. What does Alan's trader rating look like? That's what the BOI is for....to compare ALL of the evidence, weigh the options, and CHOOSE.
Of course we all know different now, but at the time, it seemed he didn't just come here to get his jollies, and had something meaningful to add.
And, as I said to begin with, posting the filth spouting out of Alan's mouth gave others the opportunity to choose. I choose not to take the chance to have that filth spouted about me for no reason. Since I have been a member here, I have yet to see Alan post ANYTHING that's not confrontational, lies, or outright bullcrap here. He's here for nothing but "stirring the pot", and people like you, Karen, simply are handing him a bigger spoon.
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Alan is a stand up guy people. He says what he feels no matter what. More then I can say for others. But to say he would rip you off if you bought a cage is BS. The guy works just as hard if not hard then most. And goes over and beyond to get his customers the best he can which in fact is damn good stuff.
You judge him on posting his opinion. Where do we live?
Alan is a stand up guy people. He says what he feels no matter what. More then I can say for others. But to say he would rip you off if you bought a cage is BS. The guy works just as hard if not hard then most. And goes over and beyond to get his customers the best he can which in fact is damn good stuff.
You judge him on posting his opinion. Where do we live?
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Alan says what he feels no matter what... even if it is a boldfaced lie. He has gone well past the point of stating opinions, Gary.Gary O said:
Gary O
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What has he lied about bro? Are we talking about a ghost name here. Many people have them.
He has gone over and and beyon for his customers that I have seen. He has even donated cages for contests for other sites.
He has gone over and and beyon for his customers that I have seen. He has even donated cages for contests for other sites.
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Gary, I have now called you a liar in the thread about Rich. If you lied there, you lie here. I have no ghost name BTW.
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Gary, what Alan has lied about is the kingsnake.com affair.
Alan said that Rich lost the case. I have posted a copy of the final judgement that refutes this.
Alan stated that Jeff turned him away when he tried to cash in on his "bombshell" because he and Rich had settled. Again, this is false, as shown by the timeline of filings.
Alan said that Rich lost the case. I have posted a copy of the final judgement that refutes this.
Alan stated that Jeff turned him away when he tried to cash in on his "bombshell" because he and Rich had settled. Again, this is false, as shown by the timeline of filings.
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The lawsuit thing I am not sure about. I have not seen dates except fr the screen shots in the other thread. That is what I am talking about. See when I say both things were wrong.
The law suit I really could care less about. I think it was wrong that Rich even bought the domain for the reasons he posted in the screen shots.
Jim............. You do not even come clos to the level of respect I have for Ken. So your comments here that are just baiting will do nothing for you.
The law suit I really could care less about. I think it was wrong that Rich even bought the domain for the reasons he posted in the screen shots.
Jim............. You do not even come clos to the level of respect I have for Ken. So your comments here that are just baiting will do nothing for you.
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ken
without looking back at the thread Jeff told me that they were REACHING a settlement if i tped REACHED my bad , it was REACHING ill look later im doingsome other things right now .
oh also Dr ownes since you gave me two points for cussing her is someone that said a bad word and didnt get points , in luie of being fair please give this person a point for profanity so there is n selective moderation AGAIN!
Ken Harbart said:
without looking back at the thread Jeff told me that they were REACHING a settlement if i tped REACHED my bad , it was REACHING ill look later im doingsome other things right now .
oh also Dr ownes since you gave me two points for cussing her is someone that said a bad word and didnt get points , in luie of being fair please give this person a point for profanity so there is n selective moderation AGAIN!
and yeah ill be asking for many more to get points aswell thank you fair moderator sir
Gary O
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Hey Dennis where is the new TOS? just wondering.
But again would we not agree that everyone involved did some messed up things and that it should have never come to this? I think so
But again would we not agree that everyone involved did some messed up things and that it should have never come to this? I think so
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Gary,
By your own admission you are showing support with any knowledge. You claim to have respect for Ken who is informing you that alan is a liar and you are still supporting and defending him and condoning his actions.
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Dave,
If this conversation were taking place in the implement storage facility, I believe we'd be dealing with those in serious need of being honed
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If this conversation were taking place in the implement storage facility, I believe we'd be dealing with those in serious need of being honed
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Chameleon Company said:Dave,
If this conversation were taking place in the implement storage facility, I believe we'd be dealing with those in serious need of being honed
Jim,
I hear that.
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I am not going to read this whole thread, just do not choose to get all caught up in the drama. My opinion:
Although I do not like all the antics that Alan has done of late (passion, emotions, love of this site, hurt all contributed) and will not even attempt to defend it. ( He brings up from two years ago like Lucille does---Alan not good company to keep)
His cages are ace! He is awesome at what he does.
Alan a word or two for you--step back, you get reamed for bringing up 2 year old crap others do not---get it? Do not stoop to that level.
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Although I do not like all the antics that Alan has done of late (passion, emotions, love of this site, hurt all contributed) and will not even attempt to defend it. ( He brings up from two years ago like Lucille does---Alan not good company to keep)
His cages are ace! He is awesome at what he does.
Alan a word or two for you--step back, you get reamed for bringing up 2 year old crap others do not---get it? Do not stoop to that level.
cages a++++
individual a+++
him on fauna d-
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Oh .. my .. goodness. I don't check Fauna for a few days and some trolls go and spatter fecal matter all over the place...
Gary, since you keep posting about Webslave buying the kingsnakes.com domain (even after the other thread was closed) and asking if it's ethical, in my opinion, the question is moot.
I have worked for internet companies, ranging from entertainment to education and marketing, since I graduated from college.
Ever since people first started buying domain names, it's been a well known fact that in order to secure your name, you must buy the rights to all the domain names you feel your organization might use. For example, I own several .com sites, but I didn't buy the corresponding .net, .org, .biz or .info domains. If some jerk comes along and buys one of those other domains, I'm out of luck.
It is the organization's responsibility to buy up and protect domain names if they are available.
Rich did not HIJACK a domain (which sometimes happens - a hacker can mess with DNS settings and illegally switch one domain name that they never paid for to point at a site). What he did is perfectly legal.
You say "yeah, but that doesn't mean it's ethical"... but it IS, however, marketing. You don't like it? Well, you're entitled to that opinion. Is it "wrong"? Not from my standpoint. If the owner of Kingsnake thought there might be confusion if someone bought kingsnakeS.com - well, he should have bought it himself.
As it was, Rich didn't hijack anything. But come on, stop talking on and on about how evil he was for purchasing an AVAILABLE domain name. What next, are you going to complain about how retailers pad the cost of a product so they can make money, when the actual product cost them much less? Have you written to Michael Jackson to complain how mean he was for buying the copyrights to many Beatles songs while no one was paying attention?
Sorry for my ire. But believe me, there are a LOT WORSE things that happen on the internet. Someone owning a porn site could have bought KingsnakeS.com instead and make a lot more people probably never get to kingsnake.com (and probably made them not want to search for the site again, either).
Furthermore Rich did not make a site that impersonates Kingsnake.com - I believe you or someone else (perhaps in the other thread) mentioned that eBay won a lawsuit against another company that bought a domain name that had "ebay" in it. Are you aware of all the eBay-cloned sites that have been created by dishonest people to try and make you think you are on the REAL ebay.com so that you will enter your ebay name and password, so they can steal that info? THAT, my friend, is why eBay pursued the lawsuit, not because of the domain name alone. I could go and buy my-own-ebay.com, and not be sued, as long as I didn't try to make people believe that it was really ebay.com.
I actually think that buying kingsnakes.com was funny. Do I laugh at the misfortune of children? No. Am I cruel? No. But in order to survive in online communities, you have to be savvy, and when people like you complain about such fluffy issues, I laugh. Not everything is black and white, and questions of ethics are very fuzzy, no matter what field you are dealing with. Yes, Rich did that to annoy the owner of kingsnake.com - but it was a LEGAL annoyance. Like running your lawnmower at 7am on a Saturday morning when you know your neighbors worked late the night before.
Sorry for adding more spew to the thread, but I couldn't stand it....
Gary, since you keep posting about Webslave buying the kingsnakes.com domain (even after the other thread was closed) and asking if it's ethical, in my opinion, the question is moot.
I have worked for internet companies, ranging from entertainment to education and marketing, since I graduated from college.
Ever since people first started buying domain names, it's been a well known fact that in order to secure your name, you must buy the rights to all the domain names you feel your organization might use. For example, I own several .com sites, but I didn't buy the corresponding .net, .org, .biz or .info domains. If some jerk comes along and buys one of those other domains, I'm out of luck.
It is the organization's responsibility to buy up and protect domain names if they are available.
Rich did not HIJACK a domain (which sometimes happens - a hacker can mess with DNS settings and illegally switch one domain name that they never paid for to point at a site). What he did is perfectly legal.
You say "yeah, but that doesn't mean it's ethical"... but it IS, however, marketing. You don't like it? Well, you're entitled to that opinion. Is it "wrong"? Not from my standpoint. If the owner of Kingsnake thought there might be confusion if someone bought kingsnakeS.com - well, he should have bought it himself.
As it was, Rich didn't hijack anything. But come on, stop talking on and on about how evil he was for purchasing an AVAILABLE domain name. What next, are you going to complain about how retailers pad the cost of a product so they can make money, when the actual product cost them much less? Have you written to Michael Jackson to complain how mean he was for buying the copyrights to many Beatles songs while no one was paying attention?
Sorry for my ire. But believe me, there are a LOT WORSE things that happen on the internet. Someone owning a porn site could have bought KingsnakeS.com instead and make a lot more people probably never get to kingsnake.com (and probably made them not want to search for the site again, either).
Furthermore Rich did not make a site that impersonates Kingsnake.com - I believe you or someone else (perhaps in the other thread) mentioned that eBay won a lawsuit against another company that bought a domain name that had "ebay" in it. Are you aware of all the eBay-cloned sites that have been created by dishonest people to try and make you think you are on the REAL ebay.com so that you will enter your ebay name and password, so they can steal that info? THAT, my friend, is why eBay pursued the lawsuit, not because of the domain name alone. I could go and buy my-own-ebay.com, and not be sued, as long as I didn't try to make people believe that it was really ebay.com.
I actually think that buying kingsnakes.com was funny. Do I laugh at the misfortune of children? No. Am I cruel? No. But in order to survive in online communities, you have to be savvy, and when people like you complain about such fluffy issues, I laugh. Not everything is black and white, and questions of ethics are very fuzzy, no matter what field you are dealing with. Yes, Rich did that to annoy the owner of kingsnake.com - but it was a LEGAL annoyance. Like running your lawnmower at 7am on a Saturday morning when you know your neighbors worked late the night before.
Sorry for adding more spew to the thread, but I couldn't stand it....
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Lauren,
Apparently I could not give you karma for your post as I have not spread enough around since the last time I gave you some. Excellent info and analogies. FYI, Rich was accused not just of "hijacking" by some, but of outright stealing by others. Your post is a proper answer to those absurdities, and those entities would be perfect candidates for Rich's "Begone" crosshairs IMO.
Apparently I could not give you karma for your post as I have not spread enough around since the last time I gave you some. Excellent info and analogies. FYI, Rich was accused not just of "hijacking" by some, but of outright stealing by others. Your post is a proper answer to those absurdities, and those entities would be perfect candidates for Rich's "Begone" crosshairs IMO.
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