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Jungle Habitats Plastics- Alan Hall (Bad Guy)

LakesideBoas said:
Deb, although in a perfect world (this one being FAR from perfect) your idea is a great one, realistically it won't work. You do have the best interest of everyone in mind though and I have to give you kudos for that!

With just about every forum I belong to having either their own Bad Guy forums (or on others they will actively refer people here) there is information about the scammers out there for those who choose to look for it.

We can't take all the responsibility from the buyers to research their next purchases, it's just not possible. We should be here to help if they need us, though.


I will not be consigned to the back seat and given a pat on the head! :rofl: Pshaw :rolleyes:

It can be done. The Better Business Bureau has a similar set up, correct? They give out emblems and take them back if the person does not align themselves to recognized good business practices. We would be taking it one step farther and perhaps it can be done electronically, :shrug01: I don't know..but until someone gets the idea and creates some software (or whatever these brainy people do) we won't be doing much but spinning our wheels. How many times have we read: "I would give them a second chance?" Oh my lord. :eek:

I am not suggesting doing the buyers searching or decison-making for him, I am suggesting a more stricter accountablity system on our own forum for those that carry the GGC or are members here; an accountablity system that can be expanded to include those forums that plug into the dream.
 
gbcop said:
I have even since gone back and asked Mr. Hall for a refund, and in exchange, in a year or so when I get ready to buy hatchling racks to give him another chance.

The ball is in his court to do the right thing to get him back on the fast tract to restoring his reputation.

DO NOT buy from him again. :rolleyes: One bad experience should be enough. Don't let him do it to you twice.

His reputation is shot and he is making NO effort to repair it.
 
Deb, I would never try to patronize you! I sincerely apologize if you took my post that way.

I admire your gusto, your enthusiasm and your genuine concern for others that comes through in almost every post you make. You remind me not be as jaded and cynical as I might become without you, so please never think you're getting a milk-bone and a pat on the head from me.
 
LakesideBoas said:
Deb, I would never try to patronize you! I sincerely apologize if you took my post that way.

I admire your gusto, your enthusiasm and your genuine concern for others that comes through in almost every post you make. You remind me not be as jaded and cynical as I might become without you, so please never think you're getting a milk-bone and a pat on the head from me.

:) Thank you, I know sometimes I have a hard time putting the ideal on the paper, there are so many things, actions, improvements that can be made in this trade.

The way I see it: The gas company has price controls, as does the housing and merchandising arenas. The reptile trade is largely unregulated and unless we regulate ourselves or set up our own watch dog(s)(stronger accountablity controls), I can see the government taking more and more control as we continue to show evidence that we are unwilling or unable to do this. We know what we need so who better to police us than ourselves?

Setting it up legally is another issue, but the first step has to be taken some time, somewhere by some one. We can't long expect these scammers to fly below the radar of the law. Eventually they will come into the gun-sight of some politican that wants to make a name and they will say when we speak up.."If you feel that you should be a "self-policing" community, why havent you been doing that?" and....they will more than likely bring up the same arguments that I did..too many people not wanting to be involved, trying to hold onto some "moral" clause while scammers continue to feed off everyone elses morals, having none themselves.

Visual: A person wades though a swamp and comes up with a ton of leeches sticking on him...he leaves them on because he's an animal lover and believes that "they have a right to live too"; he later dies because they bleed him to death. :ack2: farfetched..but that's how I see scammers and those that try to hold onto a moral standpoint when dealing with them. (move over Wilomn). They may not have done anything overt to US personally, but that's only because they haven't had the chance yet. :rofl:

Seriously, with new diseases coming in..it may be a matter of time before CDC takes notice and steps in?

Scammers put us all at risk of losing our animals one way or another...some may think this may be the extreme way of viewing the situation, but given that so many have already lost collections, I don't think so.
 
Deb...

If anybody could brainstorm this into working, it would be you!

This thread is a working example of the scammer's ability to just ignore the problem and let the thread drop off the front page and into obscurity...until the next time. But right now it's the best thing "out there". Maybe start a thread in the general business forum (or where ever it would be most appropriate).

Alan's not the only one here who does this. This is not the first time Alan has done this. Will Alan do it again, probably.

Hey Alan, doesn't this thread remind you of something? Remember the big meltdown of Matt from MGReptiles? This is just the first pull of the handle, the rushing water and swirling will begin momentarily.

It may not happen quickly, but when you behave like this and continue to do so eventually, gradually, you start to lose your customer base. Customers will then abandon you like rats from a sinking ship and new customers will avoid you like Typhoid Mary.

Is that how you want to see your business, Alan? Will you be just another swirling turd? Do you need a vacation? Are you tired of building cages and dealing with all of the responsibility? Take care of your outstanding obligations and go on a road trip or something. Put a "Gone Fishing" sign on your website after you've gotten the rest of your orders out and relax for a while. I find people aren't nearly so disagreeable when you let them know--truthfully-- what is going on and do your best to rectify the situation.

It's easy to sit in front of your keyboard and say you don't care about this and it will have no effect on your business...until it comes time to pay the light bill...or your supppliers...or take care of your customers. By the time the trickle-down effect has hit to where the customer is complaining I can pretty much guarantee there are problems elsewhere.

Take care of your customers Alan.
Perhaps I should just start waving Bon Voyage now. :wavey:
 
Before it gets to far, lets get it back on topic now. The side conversation should be taken to a different thread. You can copy and paste what you all have posted here into a new thread to make it easier to start.
 
SPJ said:
DO NOT buy from him again. :rolleyes: One bad experience should be enough. Don't let him do it to you twice.

His reputation is shot and he is making NO effort to repair it.


That is now more apparent than ever.... Even after I was willing to drop this whole issue and give him another chance. I hope everyone that visits both the BOI and The Reptile Room can see what type of person he is, and will not have any money stolen from them and have to go through what I did...

One of his last comments on The Reptile Room he was trying to justify why he hadn't shipped the rack out, because of his sick mother, and that he was in the hospital from Nov 2nd through Nov 15. Which he told me on the phone that immediately after the show(Nov 5th) he left to go be bedside with his dying mother. And I hope everyone also recalls this statement, "hope none of you have to experience it like that but thats how it is and it wont be changed for a cage , rack or snake for anyone when family is sick".

Apparently that statement doesn't hold any weight while he is in attendance of a reptile expo. Which brings me back to the point of, when he got back November 15th.. He had 4 days including the day he got back to get in contact with me to explain why my rack didn't go out as promised.. And he chose not to do so. Just as he is apparently thinks that ignoring these problems that they'll just simply go away and his reputation will get better.... ***WRONG***

Don't believe me Alan, sit back on "The Reptile Room" and check out who's looking at what... http://thereptileroom.org/forum/index.php?act=Online&CODE=listall&sort_key=click

You'd be surprised how many people have been taking notice to these posts about your business problems that you are choosing to ignore.
 
Yes i wont EVER put anything infront of sick terminally ill family sorry you dont have a close enough family to have that feeling .. I DO and will never put anything in front of that plain and simple EVER ! make it clear family is first not business in my book.

No you think you know so much , listen one last time.

My mother spent 38 days in Grace Hospital here in my town , I visited EVERYDAY for about 10 hrs a day with her while my father was at home . I did goto the show but you may ask southerncat or anyone that was at the SC show they will vouch i told them all when i arrived if i got a phone call while there i would be making a B line out and someone would would have to watch the cages and booth because i wouldnt be packing them to leave if i got a phone call to go . The transferred her to Duke Hopsital The day i got to the show ,

Now .. j when i got back the 15th it was not in the morning it was like the morning of the 16th about 2 am ... so i didnt check anything that time of night and i did sleep untill about noon the next day and then got things in order for my mother coming home ( i was only one here to get medicines lined up while they were waiting to be released and come home on the 17th. So your right i didnt check email , or message on the 16th and didnt even walk into the shop until sometime the evenoing of the 17th . and guess what David you were not the ONLY person on the list of ppl to contact. you were not even in the first 20 calls or 40 emails to reply back to sooo not sure where you thought you should be the first person i call when i walked in ? So you called me mid day on the 19th if i remember correct so thats about 36 hrs of time where iwas actually back in the shop doing things and responding to customers & emails in the order they come in and you got back to me before i got to you . Now had i wanted to IGNORE YOU i wouldnot have answered the telephone pretty easy to avoid you if i didnt answer huh ? so iwasnt hiding from you and sorry you were not the first email or phone call to return to..

as far as people reading this fine let them read I will still be a cage manufactuer and will still continue to sell many hundreds of cages a year regardless of how you or anyone here feels about this situation that is here now .

this will be my only post for this thread so feel freeto expand it 20 pages of useless clip & pastes and quoyte it to death it really doesnt matter to me

and yes there are typos but i could careless
 
Alan,

You are admitting yourself, in your own post, that due to a family issue you could not meet the deadline that you agreed to. Why should your customer have to pay for your family issue?
 
alan, if you had time to go to a show, you had time to work in your shop. I'm pretty sure your phone would ring in there just as well as it would at the show.

Why don't you stop blaming everyone but you for your mistakes? You screwed up AGAIN.

Dumb as dirt doesn't begin to encompass the stupidity you continue to exhibit every time YOU make a mistake.

Take some responsibility and quit making excuses.
 
David,

Did Alan give you a $70 coupon to use on your next order with him to put this to rest?
 
SPJ said:
David,

Did Alan give you a $70 coupon to use on your next order with him to put this to rest?


A $70 Gift Card was received instead of a coupon so it won't expire at the end of the year. This matter has been put to rest, and I consider it closed as a happy median was meet. Much appreciation and thanks BOI!


David
 
He did the same thing for me. Gave me exact shipdates, and I ended up receiving the rack 2-3 weeks late. He knew about the rack for like 3 months and knew when I wanted it. He cashed the check (he would only accept check) 2 months before I got my rack. After he cashed it, he sat on it for 10 days without letting my know why until I sent a few emails.

He's actually breaking several laws. You're not supposed to cash checks or take money from an account until you ship out the product. When we called him on that, he quickly responded that I could get the product soon. It was still 3 weeks late and no contact within that 3 weeks.
 
goReptiles said:
He's actually breaking several laws. You're not supposed to cash checks or take money from an account until you ship out the product.

Where did you find information that it's illegal to deposit a check before items are shipped? I wouldn't think it would be illegal since personal checks take 5-10 business days to clear and that would leave it wide open for individuals to scam the people who accept checks. :eek:

If that were true, I would think PayPal is illegal since they take money before items are shipped. :shrug01:
 
Even though Al has done some very messed up things. Cashing a check before shipping is not illegal. My business account manager at my bank will even back this up.
 
It may be different in different states, in terms of business laws you're not supposed to take the money first, but in GA it's the law for any legitmate business that does business online. For the life of me I can't find a statute online. But, when you start a legitimate business, you're supposed to actually take the money once you ship out the item. When you buy items at the store they take the money when you leave with the item, so it's supposed to be the same sentiment. When my dad had his business, it was one of the statute requirements for the state.

It's up to the seller to accept the money. I've noticed that the money from paypal never really processes my bank account until the shipment has been made. I don't know if that's coincidence, but the day my bank says that the payment is processing, is usually the day I get confirmation emails that the items have been shipped.

I would rather not do business with him again, but to keep things the same, I'm am willing to risk money to do it a 3rd time. Granted the 3rd time won't be my money, but a gift.
 
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