Jungle Turned Hybino

[Xavier]

yes you are right i ment to say co-dominant because if it was dominant all the babies would be super hypos reguardless what the male was were there any other co-domnant blood lines that you know of because when i look at her i dont see hine's in her also that is one beautiful baby you posted is that a bell?

Billy [/QUOTE0]
I thought co-dominate ws stronger than dominate?

 

[Spydergotboost]

well dominant traits are those that when breed to a normal all babies will show the trait. co-dominant traits mean they can have a (super) version where that means the animal has 2 copies of the the co-dominant trait

for below:
Hypo = one copy of trait
super hypo =2 copys of the trait and
normal=0 copy's of the trait

as in hine's line of hypoism it has been proven co-dominant another words

when a super hyo breeds a super hypo 100% all babies will be super hypo

when a super hypo is bred to a normal all babies will be at least hypo

when a super hypo breeds a hypo 50% of babies will be super hypo 50% will be hypo

when a hypo breeds a normal 50% will be hypo and 50% will be normal

when a hypo breeds a hypo 25% will be super hypo 50% will be hypo and 25% will be normal

i hope i explained this correctly and i hope this helps out feel free to correct me if i am wrong

Billy

 

[robin d.]

she is a bell, but the hypo influence in her is from the ray hine line of hypos... the hypo is what is co-dominant but carroting is line bred..

 

[groovygeckos]

waiting for kelli to say something here

 

[KelliH]

waiting for kelli to say something here

Did you have a question?

 

[groovygeckos]

no just confused ,was thinking robin meant that another way

lol robin , do you mean that carroting in that particular animal , is linebred ?

 

[robin d.]

yes thats what i mean carroting is line bred and a different trait than hypomelanism... however hypomelanism helps bring the carroting out and visible.. when breeding for carrot tail you need to breed one with carroting to another with carroting to achieve more carrotting... go look at albeys website.... those 90% er's didnt happen over night. it has taken in several year of selective breeding to achieve that amount of carroting

 

[groovygeckos]

ok

im confused then by kelli saying the hines line are the only "true" "hypo carrot-tails" or the first anywayz ! oh i definately know it possible to have 80 -90% , by looking at my own geckos
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[robin d.]

hine line are the only True carrot tail line... some of the original stock had carroting some did not but he bred and then seletively bred these animals for more hypo and more carrot the hypo influence made it possible for the carroting to become more visible ( the hypomelanistic part ya know less melanin) but you have to realize this has been a long time ago and now alot of what we see out there is the result of crossing the orginal hypos and hypo cqarrot tail (created by ray hine) into other lines. just because it is a super hypo and has no carroting does not mean the influence from his line isnt there however thanks to ray hine we also have hypo carrottails.

not a carrot tail

not a carrot tail

not a carrot tail

not a carrot tail

small amount of carrottail

carrot tail

carrot tail

now all those carrot tails have ray hine line blood in them however are not PURE ray hine they have been crossed and outcrossed into tangerines ect.

of the non carrottails all but three have ray hine blood in them one however doesnt. but those are super hypo tangs with of course the exception of the orange and black one

 

[groovygeckos]

great thanx for all the pix (nice by the way)

do you or anyone have pix of 100 % hines line animals w/ no tang. ?? hypos , super hypos , and SHCT. ...thanx ..know what i should expect to pay 4 one ? or where ? ide love to add that co-dom SHCT or a tang. cross w/ alot of that hypo and CT influence , to try to brighten up my 60-80 % carroted gex-offspring ( they are tremper CH jungle giant and red-stripe lines) i like that deeper color , almost red ! thanx again

 

[robin d.]

go to k and n's website look for ghosts on the misc page. also jodi might have some pics and i know steven beckerman does or did, but they both got theirs from k and N i believe

 

[robin d.]

know what i should expect to pay 4 one ? or where ? ide love to add that co-dom SHCT or a tang. cross w/ alot of that hypo and CT influence

kelli,albey,jodi, k and n.... most hypos you see with CT's are usually a ray hine line influenced animal.... very few of what you see out there do not have some (as far as hypos,superhypoes and hy and super hypo carrot tail) ray hine in fluence in them. as where the person got their breeders and follow it back to double check or in the case of albey,kelli jodi and k and n, trust them because they do

 

[groovygeckos]

thanx again

do you know about hypo-stripers aka rainbows ? where does the morph get its hypo influence from ? could the linebred "reduced pattern " ( called hypo by many )gex , produce hypo stripes ? oops

 

[robin d.]

those are JMG's pictures. i would ask before using them next time you post, or at least email them letting them know you have used their photos in a post. they are the property of JMG .

but to answer your question i believe some of his stock comes from HQR's red stripe line.... the stripe in HQR's stock seems to be recessive however the coloring selectively bred.

 

[groovygeckos]

yes i know they are jmg`s ,didnt think about that, i was e-mailed the pics

quoting myself where does the morph get its hypo influence from ? could the linebred "reduced pattern " ( called hypo by many )gex , produce hypo stripes ? sorry jeff ! yes they are from red stripe line outcrossed to "hypo-stripes", i am purchasing a few of from JMG ,thats why i was asking if anyone knows ....>where the hypo influence comes from in the rainbow/hypo stripe morph ? NOT HQ red-stripes i will also ask jeff on this ....thanx think you missed the question though ....and did you just assume , that i did not ask jeff ? ( if i had thought it would be relevant i would have done that first ) i do not have any pictures of just plain ol` rainbows! soreee !!!!boy o boy , act as if im trying to sell them

 

[robin d.]

yes but no matter whether selling or using in a thread like this they are JMG's photos and are owned by him which an infringment of copyright laws.
HQR (which JMG has some of their bloodline) line they do not know the original lineage. my best guess would be a descendant from the nieves line of tangerines , which are a selectively bred line of tangerine and selectively bred for hypo or less spotting as well. also many jungle and stripe will hypo out along the stripe probably because somewhere there is some sort of hypo or selectively bred influence in them.alot of normal stripes end up breaking up with age. unless from a bold line and even those if bred to an hypo or some sort of hypo influenced will break up the stripe or cause it to fade with age.

 

[groovygeckos]

yawn !ok robin i heard you

again the question had nothing to do with HQ `s / JMG`s lines .... i was asking about the "rainbow" morph (super-hypo X stripe) in particular ..jeff answered my question , thanx though , i know your trying ..... was not about jungles or even red-stripes . the picture , , is of leos outcrossed from red stripe line X "rainbow " and back to RS NOW YOU SEE IT RS X RS pictured courtesy of JMG

 

[groovygeckos]

NOW YOU DONT lol

"Rainbow" RS X RS pictured courtesy of JMG

 

[robin d.]

quit with the rudeness, i answer was regarding the HGR's AND rainbows, because they are very close its only a difference in color and the amount (well and HRQ call theirs red stripes but thats only a name) i am speaking the actual genetic morph: stripe and the color
let me copy and paste it for you to see it cleaer

do you know about hypo-stripers aka rainbows ? where does the morph get its hypo influence from ? could the linebred "reduced pattern " ( called hypo by many )gex , produce hypo stripes ?

the stripe in HQR's stock seems to be recessive however the coloring selectively bred.

HQR (which JMG has some of their bloodline) line they do not know the original lineage. my best guess would be a descendant from the nieves line of tangerines , which are a selectively bred line of tangerine and selectively bred for hypo or less spotting as well. also many jungle and stripe will hypo out along the stripe probably because somewhere there is some sort of hypo or selectively bred influence in them.alot of normal stripes end up breaking up with age. unless from a bold line and even those if bred to an hypo or some sort of hypo influenced will break up the stripe or cause it to fade with age.

i am using the picture you have posted to explain... HQR calls them red stripes, k and n calls them rainbows and HISS line was called hypo stripes... basically all the same thing genetic stripes (recessive) line bred color.... just different amounts and varying color.... however all three the same basic thing for get about the name of the line or whoms they come from... its the break down of the traits


now if that doesnt clear it up then i do not know how to explain it

 

[groovygeckos]

yea u can buy a kit car to put over yer beater

or you can buy the "real-car " someone explained it best lol