KelliH and others Banned? Why?

[Karen Hulvey]

But that does not insulate you from acting with integrity.

Like the integrity you used when comparing Marcia to a pedophile? You have no integrity, lucille.

Your pain does not give you leave to visit pain on others,

Your pain at what those people (and me) think of you gave you leave to visit pain on others by many of your posts and especially your pedophile post? Oh puleeze, lucille, you are the biggest female doggie I've ever encountered. Why don't you sue everyone for your pain and suffering?

lead the group that went with you to help create the current havoc, back to the road of talking responsibility for their own words and actions.

Really, lucille. Those people did NOTHING OF THE SORT! The current "havoc" was created by none other than RICH himself. Why aren't you jumping down his throat over this? He is the one who brought it here. He keeps it stirred up. He refuses to follow his own rules consistently. (i.e. removing JimOs forum and not Paul & Kelli's forums) Had Rich not posted it here it would have never been seen by most of the people who saw it and no "havoc" would have occurred.

Oh and BTW those people posted an apology. I guess you must have missed it. They took responsibility for those words and actions which is something you do not do. You think you are God almighty and you need to be knocked down off your high horse.

Those people spoke their true feelings. If you cannot handle it, you should have not went to that forum and read it.

Remember a post Rich made and I quoted elsewhere in this thread? The one where he said no one was forced to open any thread when people complained about the sex solicitation thread in one of your own forums? Yeah, I'm sure you remember it because you condoned the solicitation of sex in one of your own forums. Why did you open that thread?
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You love the faunadrama.

It brings tons of hits to this site.

 

[nicolai]

That dot thing was pretty cool karen, but i can beat it.


How do you keep a bunch of people with too much time on their hands in suspence?????

 

[WebSlave]

Really, lucille. Those people did NOTHING OF THE SORT! The current "havoc" was created by none other than RICH himself. Why aren't you jumping down his throat over this? He is the one who brought it here. He keeps it stirred up. He refuses to follow his own rules consistently. (i.e. removing JimOs forum and not Paul & Kelli's forums) Had Rich not posted it here it would have never been seen by most of the people who saw it and no "havoc" would have occurred.

Well, to answer your question, I propose that you need to think a little bit harder about things. Your question obviously lacks any effort to think the probable answer through before asking it. But why pass up a chance to take a swipe at me, eh?

This thread was posted by someone asking the question of why Kelli and others had been banned. Someone who took part in that thread, no less, so my guess they had a pretty good inkling of the reason. Do you SERIOUSLY think my simply answering "because I wanted to" would have been sufficient? Do you seriously believe that people would not have demanded evidence to justify such an action on my part? What would have been sufficient evidence? Merely a link to that thread, which could have vanished any time, and without proof, people would then think I had simply over reacted and had absolutely no justifiable grounds whatsoever for my actions? Honestly, once this question of the bannings was posed by the posting of this thread, I really had no choice in the matter that wouldn't have gotten someone incendiary over it.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

critical bill I have two children, 3 & 4 years old. I looked out on my empty backyard this spring and thought...wow...wouldnt it be really nice if they had a huge swing set with a fort, and a slide, and a rock climbing wall. It would definitely free up some time for me, giving them something entertaining to do.

I lost my thumbnail to a hammer hit, cut my knuckles, got a wicked sunburn on my balding head, swallowed a bug that landed in my soda, and I screwed my favorite shirt between two pieces of wood on the fort. It was quite a project, but I was thinking all the while just how happy they would be with my vision of what I thought could keep them happy and entertained.

They began fighting not 5 minutes after it was all completed. 12 hours of building, 5 minutes of peace.

Give the webslave a break.

I tried to give you positive Karma for this, but evidently I've given too much out today!
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In addition to Rich's last post...I want to say that it wasn't Rich who notified me & many others. In my case it was another member here that brought it to my attention as he felt it was the right thing to do. So I'm not exactly sure why anyone would consider Rich to be at fault. It certainly wasn't Rich who started the thread or egged it on.
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Oh and BTW those people posted an apology. I guess you must have missed it. They took responsibility for those words and actions which is something you do not do.

Two people apologized for what happened on that thread. Two people out of who knows how many that participated. On this very thread Wendy openly refused to apologize for her behavior to Mods & Members here.

 

[WebSlave]

OK folks. I have reinstated Kelli as the moderator of her personal forum and Paul as the moderator of his. I believe this was the sticking point of this recent renewal of shots fired. I do so reluctantly, I must admit, but I trust that this is what they wanted, so that is what they now have.

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

Why would you say that??????

Uh, then why is Wendy being accused of being a traitor for being the one who informed me of that thread? How can that be considered as being traitorous? It implies a betrayal of sorts. That someone expected something from someone that was not realized but by honor, expected. To keep a secret, perhaps? Why should it have been kept secret?

Sorry, I just don't understand what is being presented here as reasons.

Rich I did NOT TELL YOU about the site or the thread, why would you imply that I did?

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

And Stephanie, I said I could not apologize for being HUMAN and having OPINIONS, I did apologize that I posted them on another site before posting them HERE. Where they were posted does not change my right to have and voice my OPINION!

 

[robin d.]

Finally, I'd like to take a moment to respond to Robin... Robin, despite the tone of my last reply, I likewise bear you no ill will and do sincerely hope that you can prove me wrong, although the recent string of posts told a different story. Your behavior has personified one of the problems facing herpetoculture as of late- which is the maliciousness. While I'll also say you've been antagonized to an extent, you have also done more than your fair share of antagonizing. Ro said that you can be taught new tricks, and I hope that's true. For your own sake and that of those around you, it's time for a paradigm shift- try to let go of some of those grudges you're holding onto so dearly. Trust me, it will do wonders- not only will you feel less stress in your life, but you'll also reap the health benefits that come along with a more laid back attitude. Oh, and one other thing... congrats on regaining some of your vision. I hope you continue to make progress, and I sincerely mean that.

ken, i harbor not ill will or hard feelings for you. i fel as i always have about you like i said you have never done anything personally towards me. my recient and past posts prety much are the same. if someone gives me a reason or a situation occurs i do stay what i say and before i hit the send key i make sure thats what i want to say (even though i do not look for typos lol). my temper is much better than it used to be. honestly, i am about one of the most laid back people you will find. i paid the ten bucks for one reason that being what i whitnessed today ... the badgering of two very good people and great friends .. they don't always agree with me or what i say but hey that's what happens with friends and they will tell me that as well. marcia and kelli are much better people than i am. they are able and willing to make ammends and forgive and go on. after seeing for however many months, almost a year the way both of them have been treated at times, just because they go against the grain or question something and get the big old FU basically ... i can understand why they are requesting what they are. two of the most well known private breeders whos experience surpasses just about everyones and they disagree with something and get crapped on and there posts taken with a grain of salt or tried to be humiliated because of their opinions on certain matters. my stress levels are actually fine as well as my health. improving everday. but this whole thing is not about me it's about two people i care dearly about
rich and everyone else you honestly do not what these two people have been through in the past year and yall cant even begin to and then you say things that cut like knives ripping out their hearts and souls. is that what yall are trying to accomplish because yall are doing a hell of a job. i guess this is something you can pat yourself on the back for.... beat them up and while they are down kick them more and more. lucile you seem to be the worst of all and i would suspect you need some therapy and possibly need to be medicated. hey if jay chances his feild of medicine i think you need to look him up. you tried to make this a "me" issue what it wasnt, nobody honestly cared about your feelings. and you wonder why you didnt get any appologies? ... think about your words and actions reciently and in the past.

 

[robin d.]

rich one last question
this is a quote i said earlier

i would like to know why in your mod section where only you ,DT, Ken and dr ownen, have acess.. i was the subject... it was on a hidden forum ... i was not aware of it or emailed about it. i found out through another site where the transcripts happen to be posted ... so now tell me whats the differenc?

so what is the difference between this and this whatever it is here?

Two people apologized for what happened on that thread. Two people out of who knows how many that participated. On this very thread Wendy openly refused to apologize for her behavior to Mods & Members here.

perhaps because those people felt an applogy was ion order. i mean do you want to hear an appology that is not sincere? also why appologize to peole you feel do not deserve one? i can't speak for anyone else but i did not appologize because i do not believe at least in my case an appology is needed, it would only be me lieing, so why make one?

 

[robin d.]

OK folks. I have reinstated Kelli as the moderator of her personal forum and Paul as the moderator of his. I believe this was the sticking point of this recent renewal of shots fired. I do so reluctantly, I must admit, but I trust that this is what they wanted, so that is what they now have.

also maybe i am wrong but from what i was reading. they do not want their forums reinstated but rather deleted entirely from the site. but of couse that is how i understood it.




also russ wants to know why he is still suspended since you said if i paid the fine he would be unsuspended as well

 

[romad119]

Trudging through this rhetoric my eyes drifted to the left - and there must be a bug in the computer code! Somehow the ages of many posters are showing that they are above 18 and are considered (legally and definitely not personally) to be adults.

Most of you are 50% Het. for maturity at best. Move on.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

perhaps because those people felt an applogy was ion order. i mean do you want to hear an appology that is not sincere? also why appologize to peole you feel do not deserve one? i can't speak for anyone else but i did not appologize because i do not believe at least in my case an appology is needed, it would only be me lieing, so why make one?

I understand 100% where you're coming from, Robin. I was just replying to the individual who said the public apologies were already made, when in fact they weren't.

 

[WebSlave]

Trudging through this rhetoric my eyes drifted to the left - and there must be a bug in the computer code! Somehow the ages of many posters are showing that they are above 18 and are considered (legally and definitely not personally) to be adults.

Most of you are 50% Het. for maturity at best. Move on.

Actually I think I agree with this. I'm moving on. Got a bowl of popcorn and a movie waiting for me right now........

 

[robin d.]

I understand 100% where you're coming from, Robin. I was just replying to the individual who said the public apologies were already made, when in fact they weren't.

public appologies were made by certain people but not everone. they were made on the old test site... if people did not bother to read them or whatever that is their problem not anyone elses. also private appologies were made as well. i mean does everything have to be done out in the open?

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

But Rich again?????

Rich I did NOT TELL YOU about the site or the thread, why would you imply that I did?

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

Stephanie, maybe you are not satisifed with the apologies that were made, that seems to me that would be your problem, you do not accept them so be it. Thats all up to you!

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

public appologies were made by certain people but not everone. they were made on the old test site... if people did not bother to read them or whatever that is their problem not anyone elses. also private appologies were made as well. i mean does everything have to be done out in the open?

Robin, I'm not argueing with you. I read the apologies. I made a point to keep up with all the threads that were involved with this mess. So yes, I did read what was on that forum. Kelli herself took it upon herself to call me and apologize for my name being dragged into that thread. Did she need to do that? Nope. Did I expect that from her? Nope. I appreciate it, but their was absolutly no need for her to apologize to me personally.

Stephanie, maybe you are not satisifed with the apologies that were made, that seems to me that would be your problem, you do not accept them so be it. Thats all up to you!

Sorry, Wendy...But I'm not the only one who feels that way.

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

The only one that feels like what? Are you not one to have an opinion, have you never ever said to anyone that you may not like a person? Did you go and make apologies for it?

Im really sorry that I am a human with opinions and not a freakign robot with no thoughts abut anyone or anything, I guess that would make me a better person to be like that?

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

Wendy, you really don't need to defend your rational to me. I had no qualms against you before, and I have none against you now that you behaved as you did. That stands for anyone involved in that thread. Yes, I was disappointed by the behavior. But it's a little late to make up for it now. As I said, I will never look at those involved the same again. It's a shame really.

Whatever Rich decides (regardless to whether I agree with it or not), I will support him. It is not my place on his forum to undermine his authority.

 

[PaulSage]

OK folks. I have reinstated Kelli as the moderator of her personal forum and Paul as the moderator of his. I believe this was the sticking point of this recent renewal of shots fired. I do so reluctantly, I must admit, but I trust that this is what they wanted, so that is what they now have.

Thank you, Rich.