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KelliH and others Banned? Why?
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Supahypegex
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wow after reading all of the posts here and on the other forum I find my eyes are starting to burn....... it really is a shame this all happend but things like this always seem to happen in time. I thought I left the days of forum drama when I ended my gaming clan last year.
Rich, banning all of them members may be harsh but I think you did what most forum owners would have done.
Rich, banning all of them members may be harsh but I think you did what most forum owners would have done.
ZenReptiles
Kawaii lil' critters!
No offense, but aren't we all grown adults here? This reminds me of something that would've happened in high school. Such drama.
shrap said:
Amen, brother........
It's rather humbling to see such animosity stemming from my efforts on this site.
Intense Herpetoculture
We breed!
You know, Rich, I used to think you were a good guy- someone who took a stand yet bit his lip when needed. Kelli and I are good friends, and she has always spoken very highly of you until recently when you started to voice doubt on the money raised via the "Hayden Fund." The things you've said about about it being a "fiasco" cut deep. Were you implying that the money was misused or without need?
Kelli's income is geckos: she works with them full-time. When Hayden was killed, it obviously changed her life. They didn't have the cash laying around for a proper funeral, and insurance was only covering so much. Had it not been for the kindness of everyone here who contributed, the geckos would have been sold in order to cover immediate costs. Without those geckos, within a short time Kelli's income would be gone, and the Hammack family would have lost their home and who knows what else. Not to mention, it's hard to get up the desire to do meaningless, mundane work when your child has just died. The Hayden fund did more than pay for a few things. It saved whatever little bit of a life a family who loses a child has left.
After all you've said about the Hayden Fund, I'm pissed, too. So when Kelli decided to start her own forum, I saw it as an opportunity for someone who is knowledgeable and experienced to engage the larger community in something worthwhile for everyone. Of course, as with any small, tight-knit community, which it is currently is, conversations will take place which may not be the most professional or even the most mature. So it goes... those conversations didn't take place here.
Yes, she did say hurtful things about you. Sure, she may not be expending all her energy in this website anymore. Can you blame her?
Kelli's income is geckos: she works with them full-time. When Hayden was killed, it obviously changed her life. They didn't have the cash laying around for a proper funeral, and insurance was only covering so much. Had it not been for the kindness of everyone here who contributed, the geckos would have been sold in order to cover immediate costs. Without those geckos, within a short time Kelli's income would be gone, and the Hammack family would have lost their home and who knows what else. Not to mention, it's hard to get up the desire to do meaningless, mundane work when your child has just died. The Hayden fund did more than pay for a few things. It saved whatever little bit of a life a family who loses a child has left.
After all you've said about the Hayden Fund, I'm pissed, too. So when Kelli decided to start her own forum, I saw it as an opportunity for someone who is knowledgeable and experienced to engage the larger community in something worthwhile for everyone. Of course, as with any small, tight-knit community, which it is currently is, conversations will take place which may not be the most professional or even the most mature. So it goes... those conversations didn't take place here.
Yes, she did say hurtful things about you. Sure, she may not be expending all her energy in this website anymore. Can you blame her?
WebSlave said:
Justyn,
The "fiasco" part of my comment was in reference to Chris Johnson. In my opinion, he attempted to blow up a private conversation I had with him, which has been addressed elsewhere into something that served his own purposes. This clarification has in fact been relayed to Kelli, but I guess she has neglected to inform you of that. If Kelli has chosen to take that with a different meaning, and you share her interpretation, then those are choices you make yourself.
The "fiasco" part of my comment was in reference to Chris Johnson. In my opinion, he attempted to blow up a private conversation I had with him, which has been addressed elsewhere into something that served his own purposes. This clarification has in fact been relayed to Kelli, but I guess she has neglected to inform you of that. If Kelli has chosen to take that with a different meaning, and you share her interpretation, then those are choices you make yourself.
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shrap said:
Agreed, without picking sides in this whole debacle, its just very unfortunate it had to happen at all....
ShannanD25
Leo Groupie
I've been gone for a bit, out of the loop concentrating on health issues, surgeries, and the hatching season. This is the first I've been back. And to come back and find that some of the top breeders have been banned, is crazy...
I comprehend why, but it is not right, and this is why.
Fauna is about education for the public in the care of herps. Kinda like a school. Not everyone is going to get along and eventaully people will voice their opinions about one another...used to be by phone where only gossip could travel back and forth about who said what about who. Now we have the internet where it can be seen, by the public. Yes it hurts to find out that someone is saying mean things about you, but get over it....Marcia, Kelli, and Jeanne's knowledge on Leos is irreplacable and by banning them you are doing a dis service to the public. To educate people, you bring together the best breeders you have regardless of how you feel about one another and you educate....most of the public asking questions would have never known there was drama going on amongst the big names, nor would they care. What they do care about is getting the best info from the best people. No name calling posts were made on fauna. Your average fauna member would never have known. But becasue a few people got tehir feelings hurt this was blown into a huge ordeal and the fauna members suffer by losing some great sources of info, simply becasue of petty name calling and the reaction by those who were offended on ANOTHER site. Get over it. If you think you can live everyday making everyone happy with you and agreeing with everything you say, you need to wake up. People gossip, people back stab, people name call....
But bottom line, none of this was done here....to punish those people by banning them from this site is only punishing the ignorant (as in lacking the knowledge)reptile owners who come here for knowledge....to become non ignorant and learn to care for their herp properly...
Had this occured here, then that is different. But it didn't. This site is an education tool and should have the best of the best as members regardless of how they interact with one another. as long as those interactions and negativity are kept off this site, which they were....it shouldn't matter who likes who...or who thinks who is an idiot or what not..
It is sad because by banning them I think alot of damage has been done here that will not be able to be fixed.
And if something bad was said about you, think about it. Why was it said? What can you learn from it...? Use it as an eye opener to your interactions with people...truth hurts...hurt is an emotion, and emotions should never come into play when you are talking about a business/educational site. It should be about what each member can contribute and brings to the table to offer other members. If you are going to ban everyone who voices something negative somewhere about someone else, you are going to have no members left. EVERYONE has said something bad about someone else, and in a tight knit community such as this word will get around....but honestly, who gives a crap? I'm here to learn about Leos, not about immature drama and power abuse. So person A called person B an a$$, what does that matter to me in my attempt to further educate myself in herps? And honestly, what does it matter at all? And why did it have to be pulled into here?
Some of the memorable fauna threads have been enjoyable to read, and humorous..THIS thread is not....it is sad to see emotions play such a large roll in this. And it is sad to see some great breeders banned from what can be an amazing educational tool....over NAME CALLING....
I comprehend why, but it is not right, and this is why.
Fauna is about education for the public in the care of herps. Kinda like a school. Not everyone is going to get along and eventaully people will voice their opinions about one another...used to be by phone where only gossip could travel back and forth about who said what about who. Now we have the internet where it can be seen, by the public. Yes it hurts to find out that someone is saying mean things about you, but get over it....Marcia, Kelli, and Jeanne's knowledge on Leos is irreplacable and by banning them you are doing a dis service to the public. To educate people, you bring together the best breeders you have regardless of how you feel about one another and you educate....most of the public asking questions would have never known there was drama going on amongst the big names, nor would they care. What they do care about is getting the best info from the best people. No name calling posts were made on fauna. Your average fauna member would never have known. But becasue a few people got tehir feelings hurt this was blown into a huge ordeal and the fauna members suffer by losing some great sources of info, simply becasue of petty name calling and the reaction by those who were offended on ANOTHER site. Get over it. If you think you can live everyday making everyone happy with you and agreeing with everything you say, you need to wake up. People gossip, people back stab, people name call....
But bottom line, none of this was done here....to punish those people by banning them from this site is only punishing the ignorant (as in lacking the knowledge)reptile owners who come here for knowledge....to become non ignorant and learn to care for their herp properly...
Had this occured here, then that is different. But it didn't. This site is an education tool and should have the best of the best as members regardless of how they interact with one another. as long as those interactions and negativity are kept off this site, which they were....it shouldn't matter who likes who...or who thinks who is an idiot or what not..
It is sad because by banning them I think alot of damage has been done here that will not be able to be fixed.
And if something bad was said about you, think about it. Why was it said? What can you learn from it...? Use it as an eye opener to your interactions with people...truth hurts...hurt is an emotion, and emotions should never come into play when you are talking about a business/educational site. It should be about what each member can contribute and brings to the table to offer other members. If you are going to ban everyone who voices something negative somewhere about someone else, you are going to have no members left. EVERYONE has said something bad about someone else, and in a tight knit community such as this word will get around....but honestly, who gives a crap? I'm here to learn about Leos, not about immature drama and power abuse. So person A called person B an a$$, what does that matter to me in my attempt to further educate myself in herps? And honestly, what does it matter at all? And why did it have to be pulled into here?
Some of the memorable fauna threads have been enjoyable to read, and humorous..THIS thread is not....it is sad to see emotions play such a large roll in this. And it is sad to see some great breeders banned from what can be an amazing educational tool....over NAME CALLING....
Valerie
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I'm sure I'm probably on the 'to be banned list' because I'm linked to Ryan, and I have a problem keeping my mouth shut, so I might as well make it worth my while. Besides, with all the people you banned, really..what's the point in posting here?
Ever since the Hayden Fund, I lost all respect for this forum and for Rich. The way the situation was handled blew my mind that a human being would think of themselves when he knows someone who plays such a huge role in the reptile community is suffering so much.
I'm sure that everyone on Rich's side is the model of perfection and has never disliked anyone, or spoken poorly about them behind their backs. It's inevitable that you are not going to like someone you come into contact with, but to ban someone for speaking their opinion? And not even on THIS forum? Something about that seems slightly ridiculous. I'm sure Kelli's forum is not the first place that someone has voiced their opinion about Fauna's members..so are you going to do a google search and ban all of those people, too? That's the only way that this banning can be fair. The way I see it, is Rich doesn't want to lose his position towering above all of his forum-goers atop his big, golden horse (or in his blue corvette..), and I honestly think he's intimidated by Kelli's forum taking over one of his most used section of Fauna.
What people fail to realize is that the ones banned are what I consider the heart of the leo community. I have more respect for what they have done to further the hobby then words can even express. So, I am gladly transfering to Kelli's forum because I'd much rather be where the heart is, then support this forum which is run by a seemingly heartless man. Money can't buy that Rich, no matter how many membership fees or sponsorship ads you get.
This is what I think of Rich's high horse...
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Ever since the Hayden Fund, I lost all respect for this forum and for Rich. The way the situation was handled blew my mind that a human being would think of themselves when he knows someone who plays such a huge role in the reptile community is suffering so much.
I'm sure that everyone on Rich's side is the model of perfection and has never disliked anyone, or spoken poorly about them behind their backs. It's inevitable that you are not going to like someone you come into contact with, but to ban someone for speaking their opinion? And not even on THIS forum? Something about that seems slightly ridiculous. I'm sure Kelli's forum is not the first place that someone has voiced their opinion about Fauna's members..so are you going to do a google search and ban all of those people, too? That's the only way that this banning can be fair. The way I see it, is Rich doesn't want to lose his position towering above all of his forum-goers atop his big, golden horse (or in his blue corvette..), and I honestly think he's intimidated by Kelli's forum taking over one of his most used section of Fauna.
What people fail to realize is that the ones banned are what I consider the heart of the leo community. I have more respect for what they have done to further the hobby then words can even express. So, I am gladly transfering to Kelli's forum because I'd much rather be where the heart is, then support this forum which is run by a seemingly heartless man. Money can't buy that Rich, no matter how many membership fees or sponsorship ads you get.
This is what I think of Rich's high horse...
:Karen Hulvey
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To sue someone for libel, you have to prove that there were damages incurred, monetary damages. I bet that person who is about to become an attorney already knows this. I also bet that the person who is about to become an attorney knows that it would not be worth it to sue people because they posted PERSONAL OPINIONs of her on the WWW. I don't know how the almost attorney's bank account could be affected by people's negative opinions of her either.WebSlave said:
Dr Owens
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It's not just you Sammy. I couldn't agree more.shrap said:
It's even more disappointing that this whole situation keeps getting blown more and more out of proportion...mostly by people who have a personal grudge on one side or the other. I am absolutely firm in my opinion that when Kelli and Marcia typed what they typed (thinking that they were talking privately among friends) that it was not their intention to ignite a "war" between two forums (heck, Kelli's forum technically isn't supposed to even exist yet), or even to pick a personal fight with Rich. Unfortunately, a few individuals with personal vendettas against Rich (and others) and this site have tried to use this situation as a means by which to create further strife where there needn't be any.
I think that it's worth pointing out that unless I've missed something (it's not like I've been reading for the purpose of future recall), other than when she thought she was having a private conversation, Kelli hasn't continued to speak ill of Rich or this site...she has merely stated that she no longer cares for Rich due to issues that have transpired between them. In fact, from what I've seen she has not lowered herself to participate in the mud slinging and name calling that others are continuing to engage in.
To be clear, I am not implying that Rich doesn't have cause for being upset with Kelli (or anyone else involved). I think that he's perfectly justified in being pissed off. Rather, I think that there is an important distinction to be made in how different individuals have reacted to and/or propagated this situation after the initial insult.
ShannanD25
Leo Groupie
One more thing,
Rich you use the analogy of this bein g YOUR house that you took time and care to build...understandably, who would want people who did not like you in YOUR house. But, IMO, this isn't just YOUR house. You may own rights to the site and "own" it, but as a contributing member to the construction of YOUR house, it irks me a bit when you claim this as your own to do with as YOU choose...I pay my fees to be able to access ALL fauna has to offer in ways of info...A site is only as good as it's members, and their knowledge...By allowing emotions and name calling to rule your decisions, you are slowly dismantling your once grand house. A house is only as good as the construction materials...it is only as sturdy as the quality of those materials, and the dedication of the builders....and without MY dinky little contribution, and that of others, YOUR house wouldn't be standing...
I can understand how your emotions led you to this action, I really can. But if you are trying to build a grand house for the reptile community to benefit from, you need to acknowledge the opinions of those who contributed to building YOUR house, and need to make decisions based on what is best for the community....and what is best?....The membership of breeders with YEARS of experience, or personal satisfaction over booting those who called you names?
Your once grand house is fast looking like a double wide trailer in the local trailer park with Jerry Springer wanting to do an episode...I just hope YOUR house doesn't further depreciate to a single wide.
Anyone can understand that those things said hurt. But this isn't a place of employment where you should be able to get in trouble for saying mean things about your boss....it is an educational forum made up of contributing members who have all, in even a little $25 way, built YOUR grand house.
Fauna has been an amazing site for me to learn from. But you just banned the TOP breeders who made the Leo site so educational.
Make your house grand again by inviting the best of the best to educate others on here. You do have the postion of owner here, but do you think a good leader is one who bans anyone who speaks out against him? Your role as leader comes with responsibilites of making this site the most educational one there is...not letting hurt feelings dictate who is part of your grand house....you need to make decisions based on what is best for this community, and banning the most experienced breeders is, IMO, not what is best. Gettig over personal hurts and just sucking it up for the benefit of the new herpers in the world seeking education is....
Rich you use the analogy of this bein g YOUR house that you took time and care to build...understandably, who would want people who did not like you in YOUR house. But, IMO, this isn't just YOUR house. You may own rights to the site and "own" it, but as a contributing member to the construction of YOUR house, it irks me a bit when you claim this as your own to do with as YOU choose...I pay my fees to be able to access ALL fauna has to offer in ways of info...A site is only as good as it's members, and their knowledge...By allowing emotions and name calling to rule your decisions, you are slowly dismantling your once grand house. A house is only as good as the construction materials...it is only as sturdy as the quality of those materials, and the dedication of the builders....and without MY dinky little contribution, and that of others, YOUR house wouldn't be standing...
I can understand how your emotions led you to this action, I really can. But if you are trying to build a grand house for the reptile community to benefit from, you need to acknowledge the opinions of those who contributed to building YOUR house, and need to make decisions based on what is best for the community....and what is best?....The membership of breeders with YEARS of experience, or personal satisfaction over booting those who called you names?
Your once grand house is fast looking like a double wide trailer in the local trailer park with Jerry Springer wanting to do an episode...I just hope YOUR house doesn't further depreciate to a single wide.
Anyone can understand that those things said hurt. But this isn't a place of employment where you should be able to get in trouble for saying mean things about your boss....it is an educational forum made up of contributing members who have all, in even a little $25 way, built YOUR grand house.
Fauna has been an amazing site for me to learn from. But you just banned the TOP breeders who made the Leo site so educational.
Make your house grand again by inviting the best of the best to educate others on here. You do have the postion of owner here, but do you think a good leader is one who bans anyone who speaks out against him? Your role as leader comes with responsibilites of making this site the most educational one there is...not letting hurt feelings dictate who is part of your grand house....you need to make decisions based on what is best for this community, and banning the most experienced breeders is, IMO, not what is best. Gettig over personal hurts and just sucking it up for the benefit of the new herpers in the world seeking education is....
Bill_Leverton
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Shannon While I do understand what your saying....Yes today today the house of Fauna has cracked walls and maybe a few broken windows.....But this house has been built on a strong foundation and despite the wreckage at this point It will be a strong house again .....Those that left (banned) will be missed (some of them) But IMHO they were not gods and will be replaced with more knowledgeable if not of equal knowledgeable people. I'm sorry but after reading all this It really makes you wonder if the people who say they are your friends really are.ShannanD25 said:
Dr Owens
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What is the purpose of the BOI Good Guy Certification Forum?
Well, according to the "rules" it's this:
I can only hope that the people who voted their emotions on these polls will go back and amend their votes. IMO to do otherwise reflects very poorly on the voter rather than the person being voted for.
Well, according to the "rules" it's this:
So, why is it that people are now giving Marcia and Kelli negative votes on their certification based on what has transpired today? This situation has NOTHING to do with the way that they do business! The BOI Good Guy Certification is NOT a popularity contest! It is totally and completely inappropriate to give someone a negative vote just because you "don't like them." To do so completely undermines the purpose, and the integrity of the BOI Good Guy Certification process.
I can only hope that the people who voted their emotions on these polls will go back and amend their votes. IMO to do otherwise reflects very poorly on the voter rather than the person being voted for.
Jeremy Letkey
Keeping to myself
I think that quite a few people got a bit bent out of shape over this.
Not everyone likes everyone all the time. Plain and simple truth.
Did feelings get hurt? Yes.
Do some people feel betrayed? Yes.
It is not as bad as some have blown it up to be though.
I personally would love to see some of the things said in the mods forum.
I'd be willing to bet that some feelings would be hurt if that was made public.
Not everyone likes everyone all the time. Plain and simple truth.
Did feelings get hurt? Yes.
Do some people feel betrayed? Yes.
It is not as bad as some have blown it up to be though.
I personally would love to see some of the things said in the mods forum.
I'd be willing to bet that some feelings would be hurt if that was made public.
ShannanD25
Leo Groupie
It does make you wonder who your friends are. It also shows you who they are. But do you build a strong educational site based on friendships and personal feelings, or based on knowledge and experience?
On my little site, I may be owner, but I do not have control over booting people. My administrator does. If someone calls me a bitc^ somewhere else, but has provided my customers with some good info, and are a valuable informational asset, I will want to ban them for personal reasons, but my admin people would say, but...they provide good info and we would discuss it and they would overrule me and I would realize I had to just bite my toungue for the best of the site and those who use it...now if they posted on my site saying the same thing, well off they go. It is a system of checks and balances to make sure one person can't make a rash decision based on emotion that would have a negative effect on the educational value of my site. And yes it is dinky and no one uses it (and i am not trying to promote it by any means here, it is just an example of how I think educational sites should be run) but it is there and that is how it is run to best benefit those who belong to it, those who support it through advertising, and those who have used it.
If it was some personal BLOG site, then it is open season. But it isnt, nor is this. This is to benefit others. Personal hurts and emotions should not be part of it. Fauna probably will recover. It is a strong house so to speak, but to whose gain and at what loss? This is a reat site, browsed by thousands of people. Should a few people's hurt feelings really impact those looking to gain knowledge from here?
It is just an all around bad situation. I can't say that if this were me I would not react the same way...but with the POWER of booting not in my hands, it would prevent rash emotional actions.
On my little site, I may be owner, but I do not have control over booting people. My administrator does. If someone calls me a bitc^ somewhere else, but has provided my customers with some good info, and are a valuable informational asset, I will want to ban them for personal reasons, but my admin people would say, but...they provide good info and we would discuss it and they would overrule me and I would realize I had to just bite my toungue for the best of the site and those who use it...now if they posted on my site saying the same thing, well off they go. It is a system of checks and balances to make sure one person can't make a rash decision based on emotion that would have a negative effect on the educational value of my site. And yes it is dinky and no one uses it (and i am not trying to promote it by any means here, it is just an example of how I think educational sites should be run) but it is there and that is how it is run to best benefit those who belong to it, those who support it through advertising, and those who have used it.
If it was some personal BLOG site, then it is open season. But it isnt, nor is this. This is to benefit others. Personal hurts and emotions should not be part of it. Fauna probably will recover. It is a strong house so to speak, but to whose gain and at what loss? This is a reat site, browsed by thousands of people. Should a few people's hurt feelings really impact those looking to gain knowledge from here?
It is just an all around bad situation. I can't say that if this were me I would not react the same way...but with the POWER of booting not in my hands, it would prevent rash emotional actions.
SPJ
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I am just going to say one thing and then get out of this drama.
Whoever is giving negative ratings on the certification to the people involved in this need to go back and remove them. That is uncalled for.
Whoever is giving negative ratings on the certification to the people involved in this need to go back and remove them. That is uncalled for.
Gregg M
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Jeremy Letkey said:
Jeremy, I do agree with you, but I feel I had a good reason to be upset.... I would have rather have heard or read these statements directly from the person, not from someone else...
But all has been smoothed over, and like usual, I hold no grudges....
Cheryl Marchek AKA JM
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Please stop poking at the bear
Rich is upset and reacting ~ because what was said hurt him. We all know much worse has been said to and about Rich. Even I have said worse to his face~ the difference is~ it was to his face and he expects no more or less from me because I attribute the same
attributes to myself as I do him.
He did expect better of the people who bad mouthed him at the other site. That’s why he is reacting so strongly. Everyone shut-up and give a few hours for the situation to calm down. Those with any pull on either of the two sites~ try to get the threads shut down for at least the next half a day if you can. I don’t have any pull on this site or the other one (I don’t even know some of the players). Those that can, and who actually care about the players here personally rather than just feeding on the Drama~ try to get everyone to just SHUT UP for a few hours. Let tempers cool, hurt feelings get a little less raw~ and see where this goes from there.
The main players in this drama actually care about each others feelings~ but some have been caught behaving badly and now everyone has their back to the wall. Everyone back off. It's not a school yard~ stop standing in a circle chanting "Fight! Fight! Fight!"~ don’t encourage it, egg it on, or fan the flames. Let the players all calm down and this may not be the end of a long friendship it now looks like.
Just my 0.02.
Good luck to all involved~ I hope you can salvage your long time friendships
Rich is upset and reacting ~ because what was said hurt him. We all know much worse has been said to and about Rich. Even I have said worse to his face~ the difference is~ it was to his face and he expects no more or less from me because I attribute the same
attributes to myself as I do him.He did expect better of the people who bad mouthed him at the other site. That’s why he is reacting so strongly. Everyone shut-up and give a few hours for the situation to calm down. Those with any pull on either of the two sites~ try to get the threads shut down for at least the next half a day if you can. I don’t have any pull on this site or the other one (I don’t even know some of the players). Those that can, and who actually care about the players here personally rather than just feeding on the Drama~ try to get everyone to just SHUT UP for a few hours. Let tempers cool, hurt feelings get a little less raw~ and see where this goes from there.
The main players in this drama actually care about each others feelings~ but some have been caught behaving badly and now everyone has their back to the wall. Everyone back off. It's not a school yard~ stop standing in a circle chanting "Fight! Fight! Fight!"~ don’t encourage it, egg it on, or fan the flames. Let the players all calm down and this may not be the end of a long friendship it now looks like.
Just my 0.02.
Good luck to all involved~ I hope you can salvage your long time friendships
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